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Interesting ...

Apparently the SEC coaches aren't too pleased with a plan hatched by one of their former colleagues, James Franklin. The new Penn State coach, formerly at Vanderbilt, and his assistants next month will guest coach at summer camps in the heart of SEC country at both Georgia State and Stetson. It means the Penn State staff can evaluate prospects from in and around Atlanta and DeLand, Fla., two SEC recruiting hotbeds.

Although NCAA rules limit programs from running high school camps more than 50 miles from their campus, coaches are allowed to work at camps outside of the radius as long as they don't run the events.

"The Big Ten and NCAA rules allow you to do these things," Franklin recently told reporters during a "Coaches Caravan" stop in King of Prussia, Pa. "We wanted to not only have camps on our campus, which we're going to have a bunch of them, but also be able to maybe take the Penn State brand and be able to take it to part of the country that maybe young men and families wouldn't be able to make it to our place, take it to them.

"And I'm fired up about it."

But Franklin's former SEC brethren aren't fired up. Unlike the morally reprehensible Big Ten, the SEC prohibits coaches from working at camps beyond 50 miles from campus. Again, it's all about integrity in that league.

So SEC coaches have complained to their commissioner, Mike Slive, to step in and try to stop Franklin and his attempt to enter their sacred ground.

"It's that kind of thing that gets us to think about our rules," Slive said. "They [sEC coaches] like our rule; they don't like the so-called satellite camps. They see it as a loophole and asked us to see what we can do about that."

Slive said the SEC would have to approach the NCAA about closing the loophole.

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But Franklin's former SEC brethren aren't fired up. Unlike the morally reprehensible Big Ten, the SEC prohibits coaches from working at camps beyond 50 miles from campus. Again, it's all about integrity in that league.

]http://espn.go.com/b...o-stop-franklin

I hardly see how this is "morally reprehensible" or lacking in integrity. If it doesn't violate NCAA or Big 10 rules, it seems like a logical way to promote recruiting. It might be different if he were working at camps on SEC campuses, but neither Georgia State nor Stetson are in the SEC.

I can understand how it might make SEC coaches uncomfortable (it makes me a little nervous), and we certainly need to make sure that the SEC is competing on a level field recruiting-wise, but there are no geographical borders on recruiting in college football.

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Notre Dame too ...

247Sports has confirmed that Notre Dame is working with Georgia State to hold a satellite football camp in Atlanta during the summer of 2015.

http://247sports.com/Article/Notre-Dame-Football-Setting-Up-Satellite-Camps-28861747

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That's fine with me, its within the rules. Our staff should do this at places like San Jose State or Rice or something to gain more of a presence in the minds of Cali and Texas kids.

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That's fine with me, its within the rules. Our staff should do this at places like San Jose State or Rice or something to gain more of a presence in the minds of Cali and Texas kids.

Didn't you read what was in the original post?? It's against the rules set forth by the SEC to do this. That's why the coaches are screaming foul about it.

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That's fine with me, its within the rules. Our staff should do this at places like San Jose State or Rice or something to gain more of a presence in the minds of Cali and Texas kids.

Didn't you read what was in the original post?? It's against the rules set forth by the SEC to do this. That's why the coaches are screaming foul about it.

But...but.....but ....the SEC coaches violated the gentleman's agreement of the Big Ten coaches by going after their committed athletes....ya just can't trust anyone these days.

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That's fine with me, its within the rules. Our staff should do this at places like San Jose State or Rice or something to gain more of a presence in the minds of Cali and Texas kids.

Didn't you read what was in the original post?? It's against the rules set forth by the SEC to do this. That's why the coaches are screaming foul about it.

But it doesn't violate Big 10 or NCAA rules - so what exactly do the SEC coaches want Slive to do about it? Change the SEC rules so that the SEC coaches can do the same in other areas of the country like PSU & ND coaches are doing?
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the big10 has 2 old SEC coaches that that had to get out of the conference for various reasons. I'm surprised that urban meyer has not tried this in Florida.

i guarantee you he will, now that Penn State & Notre Dame have paved the way. If it's not against the rules of the NCAA or the conference you coach in, then why not take advantage of every recruiting opportunity you can get?
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That's fine with me, its within the rules. Our staff should do this at places like San Jose State or Rice or something to gain more of a presence in the minds of Cali and Texas kids.

Didn't you read what was in the original post?? It's against the rules set forth by the SEC to do this. That's why the coaches are screaming foul about it.

But it doesn't violate Big 10 or NCAA rules - so what exactly do the SEC coaches want Slive to do about it? Change the SEC rules so that the SEC coaches can do the same in other areas of the country like PSU & ND coaches are doing?

They are pushing for him to get the NCAA rules changed if that doesn't work expect them to push for the SEC to drop the rule.

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I would prefer the NCAA put an end to that practice rather than open the door to everyone. Will just create more opportunities for problem and can you imagine 30 or 40 schools doing this all over the southeast?

One thing you can bet, if the door is opened to other conferences, about 3/4th of the camps will be in Texas, Florida and Ga where they can look at kids from adjacent states easily too and step up the poaching of kids from the SEC region.

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the big10 has 2 old SEC coaches that that had to get out of the conference for various reasons. I'm surprised that urban meyer has not tried this in Florida.

Huh? Neither was forced out.

Meyers left mostly due to his personal problems (SEC stress) and his recruiting was not good enough to keep Florida winning. ESPN also pays well while you rest up.

Franklin left while the leaving was good. Better job and to get away from the sexual assault case his former players are alleged to have committed. Franklin contacted the victim in that case violating NCAA rules. The victim may also have to testify to her involvement in football recruiting at Vandy. None of that would be good for Franklin.

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That's fine with me, its within the rules. Our staff should do this at places like San Jose State or Rice or something to gain more of a presence in the minds of Cali and Texas kids.

Didn't you read what was in the original post?? It's against the rules set forth by the SEC to do this. That's why the coaches are screaming foul about it.

I didn't read it carefully enough that's for sure. I'm not particularly fond of a rule being in place for the entire NCAA, but not the SEC. Everything should be level IMO

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That's fine with me, its within the rules. Our staff should do this at places like San Jose State or Rice or something to gain more of a presence in the minds of Cali and Texas kids.

Didn't you read what was in the original post?? It's against the rules set forth by the SEC to do this. That's why the coaches are screaming foul about it.

I didn't read it carefully enough that's for sure. I'm not particularly fond of a rule being in place for the entire NCAA, but not the SEC. Everything should be level IMO

The SEC has no room to complain about non-uniformity of rules as long as they stick to an 8 game conference schedule.

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That's fine with me, its within the rules. Our staff should do this at places like San Jose State or Rice or something to gain more of a presence in the minds of Cali and Texas kids.

Didn't you read what was in the original post?? It's against the rules set forth by the SEC to do this. That's why the coaches are screaming foul about it.

I didn't read it carefully enough that's for sure. I'm not particularly fond of a rule being in place for the entire NCAA, but not the SEC. Everything should be level IMO

The SEC has no room to complain about non-uniformity of rules as long as they stick to an 8 game conference schedule.

The number of conference games that SEC teams play has NOTHING to do with this issue with is standardized recruiting practices ..but you knew that of course.

Tiger Founding Father

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That's fine with me, its within the rules. Our staff should do this at places like San Jose State or Rice or something to gain more of a presence in the minds of Cali and Texas kids.

Didn't you read what was in the original post?? It's against the rules set forth by the SEC to do this. That's why the coaches are screaming foul about it.

I didn't read it carefully enough that's for sure. I'm not particularly fond of a rule being in place for the entire NCAA, but not the SEC. Everything should be level IMO

The SEC has no room to complain about non-uniformity of rules as long as they stick to an 8 game conference schedule.

Yup, spot on!

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In spirit it does violate NCAA rules. Don't tell me that those PSU coaches aren't going to be the ones calling all the shots at Ga St and Stetson. but then it's not like PSU has had any qualms about breaking any rules up until now.

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In spirit it does violate NCAA rules. Don't tell me that those PSU coaches aren't going to be the ones calling all the shots at Ga St and Stetson. but then it's not like PSU has had any qualms about breaking any rules up until now.

PSU obviously isn't the only school doing this - Notre Dame plans on doing the same. And Urban and others will follow suit as soon as this gets out that it's allowed.

I say fair game - if the SEC coaches are pissed that the northern teams are coming down here to evaluate and recruit the southern players then ask the SEC (Slive) to change the SEC rules. Don't cry and whine because other conferences have rules that allow it and our conference doesn't.

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I've went to a couple camps like this before when I was a kid. They are nothing new. Both were for soccer. One was at Old Dominion University (and their coach did control everything), but coaches from Davidson, Clemson, and then some DII and III schools were there. Actually went to a camp here at Auburn that was held by St Louis University and Southern Illinois.

Probably don't see it as much with football due to television, budgets, and sport popularity. When I went to Old Dominion it consisted of players from Texas and pretty much every state up the East Coast. Traveling to these type of camps were a way to get noticed by out of state schools.

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Folks - this is hilarious! Leave Florida and move to.......Pennsylvania? Indiana? Ohio? lol

Let Franklin waste his time.

Although NSD is still many moons away, PSU isn't doing to Shabby right now.

The guy was a solid recruiter at Vandy, so it wouldn't be far fetched for him to snag a few Florida boys

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