What are we gonna do with the Gitmo Terrorists/Detainees?

[DKW 86 8,097]

Just asking what yall think we ought to do with these folks.

Do we just keep them there?

Do we try them, sentence them?

Do we put them into American Prisons?

Do we keep them there after they are tried?

Do we send them back on a plane and then shoot the plane down?

Do we give them some iodide (a la' Yassir Arafat?)

What do yall think we should do with them?

Where are these folks 5 years from now?

[cptau 169]

There are only 149 still there out of a total of 779 once held there. About 100 might be released if a country could be found to take them,

The rest are too dangerous. Eventually they will be so old they won't be a threat

[autigeremt 7,460]

They will be allowed to enter the US and vote in 2016.

[alexava 6,987]

Just asking what yall think we ought to do with these folks.

Do we just keep them there?

Do we try them, sentence them?

Do we put them into American Prisons?

Do we keep them there after they are tried?

Do we send them back on a plane and then shoot the plane down?

Do we give them some iodide (a la' Yassir Arafat?)

What do yall think we should do with them?

Where are these folks 5 years from now?

#5 . i wouldnt ruin a good plane or kill a pilot for this purpose but i like that way of thinking. i think the five recently released will not last the full year in Qatar.

[AURaptor 1,137]

Obama will empty Gitmo by 2016, by 1 means or another, and there by make good on his promise to close the prison.

I honestly think that, and packing the courts with as many Left wing judges as possible, are his primary goals. Along w/ bolting a carbon tax on the American economy.

And playing golf. Lots of golf.

[DKW 86 8,097]

The cynic in me really thinks that this is the plan.

[TexasTiger 15,474]

The cynic in me really thinks that this is the plan.

What do you think should happen?

[Tigermike 4,084]

They will be allowed to enter the US and vote in 2016.

After a photo op in the Rose Garden where they are presented with the Presidential Metal of Freedom.

[DKW 86 8,097]

We cannot leave them indefinitely. We cannot be the thing we despise.

But on the other hand, we know what they are gonna do when they get back.

Maybe release them an drone them? I am not too far away from the iodide solution either.

Make them traceable. Release them. Follow them as they re-assimilate.

[Strychnine 1,811]

As I said in another thread: Personally, I find indefinite detention in Guantanamo Bay to be completely antithetical to the fundamental principle of freedom, regardless of who they are or what they are accused of doing. They should have been charged and tried, or set free long ago. I don't care how "convenient" it is for better waging our War on Terror, I don't trust our government to not do this to our own people after they've been doing it successfully to foreign nationals for over a decade. Secret courts, warrantless surveillance, and extraordinary rendition are not things I have enjoyed seeing become the American way.

That many Americans accept those things, along with consistently increasing intrusiveness in local police action, makes me wonder if they have forgotten what freedom means and why it should be cherished so much more than security.

[TexasTiger 15,474]

As I said in another thread: Personally, I find indefinite detention in Guantanamo Bay to be completely antithetical to the fundamental principle of freedom, regardless of who they are or what they are accused of doing. They should have been charged and tried, or set free long ago. I don't care how "convenient" it is for better waging our War on Terror, I don't trust our government to not do this to our own people after they've been doing it successfully to foreign nationals for over a decade. Secret courts, warrantless surveillance, and extraordinary rendition are not things I have enjoyed seeing become the American way.

That many Americans accept those things, along with consistently increasing intrusiveness in local police action, makes me wonder if they have forgotten what freedom means and why it should be cherished so much more than security.

But, but, 9/11 changed everything and none of that matters anymore!!

[icanthearyou 4,468]

As I said in another thread: Personally, I find indefinite detention in Guantanamo Bay to be completely antithetical to the fundamental principle of freedom, regardless of who they are or what they are accused of doing. They should have been charged and tried, or set free long ago. I don't care how "convenient" it is for better waging our War on Terror, I don't trust our government to not do this to our own people after they've been doing it successfully to foreign nationals for over a decade. Secret courts, warrantless surveillance, and extraordinary rendition are not things I have enjoyed seeing become the American way.

That many Americans accept those things, along with consistently increasing intrusiveness in local police action, makes me wonder if they have forgotten what freedom means and why it should be cherished so much more than security.

But,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm so scared. The terrorist are everywhere. If we don't change our way of life, they will destroy our,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,way of life. I don't care what it costs. I just want the fear to go away.

[autigeremt 7,460]

They will be allowed to enter the US and vote in 2016.

After a photo op in the Rose Garden where they are presented with the Presidential Metal of Freedom.

And because of their experience on the battlefield be given commission to lead a new special operations unit inside the U.S.

[autigeremt 7,460]

As I said in another thread: Personally, I find indefinite detention in Guantanamo Bay to be completely antithetical to the fundamental principle of freedom, regardless of who they are or what they are accused of doing. They should have been charged and tried, or set free long ago. I don't care how "convenient" it is for better waging our War on Terror, I don't trust our government to not do this to our own people after they've been doing it successfully to foreign nationals for over a decade. Secret courts, warrantless surveillance, and extraordinary rendition are not things I have enjoyed seeing become the American way.

That many Americans accept those things, along with consistently increasing intrusiveness in local police action, makes me wonder if they have forgotten what freedom means and why it should be cherished so much more than security.

But, but, 9/11 changed everything and none of that matters anymore!!

What a cool piece you are! It has to do with the type enemy we face and their tactics more than this garbage but enjoy the foolish ridicule.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

As I said in another thread: Personally, I find indefinite detention in Guantanamo Bay to be completely antithetical to the fundamental principle of freedom, regardless of who they are or what they are accused of doing. They should have been charged and tried, or set free long ago. I don't care how "convenient" it is for better waging our War on Terror, I don't trust our government to not do this to our own people after they've been doing it successfully to foreign nationals for over a decade. Secret courts, warrantless surveillance, and extraordinary rendition are not things I have enjoyed seeing become the American way.

That many Americans accept those things, along with consistently increasing intrusiveness in local police action, makes me wonder if they have forgotten what freedom means and why it should be cherished so much more than security.

But, but, 9/11 changed everything and none of that matters anymore!!

What a cool piece you are! It has to do with the type enemy we face and their tactics more than this garbage but enjoy the foolish ridicule.

Respectfully disagree. It is about succumbing to fear. And that, is what terrorism is all about.

[Tigermike 4,084]

As I said in another thread: Personally, I find indefinite detention in Guantanamo Bay to be completely antithetical to the fundamental principle of freedom, regardless of who they are or what they are accused of doing. They should have been charged and tried, or set free long ago. I don't care how "convenient" it is for better waging our War on Terror, I don't trust our government to not do this to our own people after they've been doing it successfully to foreign nationals for over a decade. Secret courts, warrantless surveillance, and extraordinary rendition are not things I have enjoyed seeing become the American way.

That many Americans accept those things, along with consistently increasing intrusiveness in local police action, makes me wonder if they have forgotten what freedom means and why it should be cherished so much more than security.

But, but, 9/11 changed everything and none of that matters anymore!! ;)/>

What a cool piece you are! It has to do with the type enemy we face and their tactics more than this garbage but enjoy the foolish ridicule.

Respectfully disagree. It is about succumbing to fear. And that, is what terrorism is all about.

Respectively disagree. Being aware and knowledgeable about terrorists is not fear. Thinking everything should be the same after 9/11 is both naive and foolish.

[Strychnine 1,811]

As I said in another thread: Personally, I find indefinite detention in Guantanamo Bay to be completely antithetical to the fundamental principle of freedom, regardless of who they are or what they are accused of doing. They should have been charged and tried, or set free long ago. I don't care how "convenient" it is for better waging our War on Terror, I don't trust our government to not do this to our own people after they've been doing it successfully to foreign nationals for over a decade. Secret courts, warrantless surveillance, and extraordinary rendition are not things I have enjoyed seeing become the American way.

That many Americans accept those things, along with consistently increasing intrusiveness in local police action, makes me wonder if they have forgotten what freedom means and why it should be cherished so much more than security.

But, but, 9/11 changed everything and none of that matters anymore!!

What a cool piece you are! It has to do with the type enemy we face and their tactics more than this garbage but enjoy the foolish ridicule.

I would say that we would have probably accomplished more with regard to engaging and ultimately defeating terrorist attacks on the United States by taking a long hard look at our history in the region and why they despise us so much that they're willing to engage in desperate suicide bombing tactics to bloody our nose. It may not have ultimately worked at all, but would have probably done more to calm their violent hatred than completely destabilizing two of their fellow Islamic countries accomplished. They accomplished precisely what they wanted to accomplish with their action and our reaction. By resorting to things like the Patriot Act, blatant extraordinary rendition, and indefinite detention of foreign nationals, we have openly demonstrated the complete hypocrisy that we are so often accused of. We certainly have not shown that freedom we are always harping on about. I am reminded of a meme I saw a while back that showed an infantry fireteam kicking in the door and rushing in. The text: "Open the door a**hole, freedom's here". They wanted to prove that we are willing to compromise what we say are our core ideals as the first casualty when confronted, or for expediency's sake. I would say that our subsequent behavior has certainly proven their point.

All we have definitely accomplished is guaranteed another generation of people that feel like they have a good reason to despise us, and given most of them a personal experience to justify it. At their worst, terrorist attacks on the United States are isolated incidents. Those groups lack the resources and means to fight a proper war, and they know it. Rewriting our ethics in order to more conveniently engage them with force was not, nor will it ever be, the right course of action. The best course of action is to alter how you behave in their corner of the world, thus removing yourself from their violent gaze. It's not immediately effective, but it would be harder to keep a mobilized army of people desperate enough to sacrifice themselves to attack us when we are not so blatantly present to them. That is the reason that they do not really bother South America, Central America, Europe, most of Asia, or Australia. If it were actually about religion, the Vatican would have been a better target than the World Trade Center or Pentagon. They were attacking what they perceive as a long pattern of American imperialism.

[autigeremt 7,460]

Did we abandon their country after helping them run the Russians out of the area? Yes! Should we have helped them during that span in the first place? Maybe not. I know the Russians wanted the land for it's natural resources and it's access to the Indian Ocean during their expansion of communism. It's debatable.

The cause and effect is always in need of evaluation, but right and wrong is something all adults should be able to equate. Any right minded individual should be able to tell the difference between the two. How you get to the point of working with someone destined to kill thousands, if not millions based on radical religious ideology is their problem. I have said from the start our mission in Afghanistan was justified and if it had been me I would have sent 300,0000 troops into the region, eradicated the enemy, and provided support in a way that allowed the country to decide it's own future.

[icanthearyou 4,468]

As I said in another thread: Personally, I find indefinite detention in Guantanamo Bay to be completely antithetical to the fundamental principle of freedom, regardless of who they are or what they are accused of doing. They should have been charged and tried, or set free long ago. I don't care how "convenient" it is for better waging our War on Terror, I don't trust our government to not do this to our own people after they've been doing it successfully to foreign nationals for over a decade. Secret courts, warrantless surveillance, and extraordinary rendition are not things I have enjoyed seeing become the American way.

That many Americans accept those things, along with consistently increasing intrusiveness in local police action, makes me wonder if they have forgotten what freedom means and why it should be cherished so much more than security.

But, but, 9/11 changed everything and none of that matters anymore!! ;)/>

What a cool piece you are! It has to do with the type enemy we face and their tactics more than this garbage but enjoy the foolish ridicule.

Respectfully disagree. It is about succumbing to fear. And that, is what terrorism is all about.

Respectively disagree. Being aware and knowledgeable about terrorists is not fear. Thinking everything should be the same after 9/11 is both naive and foolish.

I believe that you can be both aware and knowledgeable (as well as safe) without spending trillions, suspending privacy, suspending certain freedoms. Attempting a realistic explanation by employing only the extremes, is foolish.

[Strychnine 1,811]

Did we abandon their country after helping them run the Russians out of the area? Yes! Should we have helped them during that span in the first place? Maybe not. I know the Russians wanted the land for it's natural resources and it's access to the Indian Ocean during their expansion of communism. It's debatable.

The cause and effect is always in need of evaluation, but right and wrong is something all adults should be able to equate. Any right minded individual should be able to tell the difference between the two. How you get to the point of working with someone destined to kill thousands, if not millions based on radical religious ideology is their problem. I have said from the start our mission in Afghanistan was justified and if it had been me I would have sent 300,0000 troops into the region, eradicated the enemy, and provided support in a way that allowed the country to decide it's own future.

Afghanistan is definitely one of the Cold War's great unknown casualties, but not really the point I was making.

The cause and effect is indeed always in need of evaluation, but what is right and what is wrong? Beyond a fundamental level, it quickly becomes subjective. For example, most people would quickly agree that killing is wrong. However, what is being done in war? So now we have established circumstances that make killing become justifiable. Then the question becomes, when do you wage war and how do you wage it? That may seem irrelevant, but the reality is that it is quite relevant. To these people (Islamic terrorists), America is a hypocritical bunch of imperialists bent on imposing our will on others whenever and however we see fit. Their perspective is that they are fighting their enemy in the only way they know how, which is what we call terrorist attacks.

When we show up in force (Afghanistan and Iraq), it only reinforces this perspective and helps it spread. It's the perspective that we have to fight in order to actually stop them, but you cannot fight that perspective with bullets, bombs, or military presence. We are never going to see eye-to-eye with these people, and that is fine. Had we adopted a policy of simply leaving the region alone, that perspective would have likely struggled to survive past the Cold War generation. Yes, we would have had to endure a 9/11 or two, but you know we had that coming if you know our history in the region. I already said that it is not actually about religion. If it were, 9/11 would have targeted something like the Vatican instead of symbols of America's military and financial empires. They would be terrorizing all nations that are not Islamic.

The cost to us has been that the whole world has seen that we are perfectly willing to compromise on the things we yell the loudest about: justice and freedom. Things like Guantanamo Bay are not what we are supposed to be about, and we definitely should be willing to accept or justify things of that sort. That is the kind of thing that evil Nazi's and Soviets do. Americans that expose massive warrantless surveillance programs should not have to seek refuge in Russia of all places. This is not the America that I was told about in elementary school. We have become the America where the ends always justify the means.

[AUFAN78 4,207]

They will be allowed to enter the US and vote in 2016.

[autigeremt 7,460]

DOD Identifies Army Casualty

The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.

Pfc. Matthew H. Walker, 20, of Hillsboro, Missouri, died June 5, in Paktika province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when his unit was attacked by enemy fire.

He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division, Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

For more information, media may contact the 101st Airborne Division public affairs office at 270-798-9962.

[cptau 169]

As I said in another thread: Personally, I find indefinite detention in Guantanamo Bay to be completely antithetical to the fundamental principle of freedom, regardless of who they are or what they are accused of doing. They should have been charged and tried, or set free long ago. I don't care how "convenient" it is for better waging our War on Terror, I don't trust our government to not do this to our own people after they've been doing it successfully to foreign nationals for over a decade. Secret courts, warrantless surveillance, and extraordinary rendition are not things I have enjoyed seeing become the American way.

That many Americans accept those things, along with consistently increasing intrusiveness in local police action, makes me wonder if they have forgotten what freedom means and why it should be cherished so much more than security.

But, but, 9/11 changed everything and none of that matters anymore!! ;)/>

What a cool piece you are! It has to do with the type enemy we face and their tactics more than this garbage but enjoy the foolish ridicule.

I would say that we would have probably accomplished more with regard to engaging and ultimately defeating terrorist attacks on the United States by taking a long hard look at our history in the region and why they despise us so much that they're willing to engage in desperate suicide bombing tactics to bloody our nose. It may not have ultimately worked at all, but would have probably done more to calm their violent hatred than completely destabilizing two of their fellow Islamic countries accomplished. They accomplished precisely what they wanted to accomplish with their action and our reaction. By resorting to things like the Patriot Act, blatant extraordinary rendition, and indefinite detention of foreign nationals, we have openly demonstrated the complete hypocrisy that we are so often accused of. We certainly have not shown that freedom we are always harping on about. I am reminded of a meme I saw a while back that showed an infantry fireteam kicking in the door and rushing in. The text: "Open the door a**hole, freedom's here". They wanted to prove that we are willing to compromise what we say are our core ideals as the first casualty when confronted, or for expediency's sake. I would say that our subsequent behavior has certainly proven their point.

All we have definitely accomplished is guaranteed another generation of people that feel like they have a good reason to despise us, and given most of them a personal experience to justify it. At their worst, terrorist attacks on the United States are isolated incidents. Those groups lack the resources and means to fight a proper war, and they know it. Rewriting our ethics in order to more conveniently engage them with force was not, nor will it ever be, the right course of action. The best course of action is to alter how you behave in their corner of the world, thus removing yourself from their violent gaze. It's not immediately effective, but it would be harder to keep a mobilized army of people desperate enough to sacrifice themselves to attack us when we are not so blatantly present to them. That is the reason that they do not really bother South America, Central America, Europe, most of Asia, or Australia. If it were actually about religion, the Vatican would have been a better target than the World Trade Center or Pentagon. They were attacking what they perceive as a long pattern of American imperialism.

The prior policy was to capture and interrogate the terrorists. There are about 149 left of the 799 held at Gitmo. We would let around another 100 go now if some country would take them. Countries refuse to take them or they will kill them when they get them. About 45 are left that are too dangerous to be let go.

The current policy is to kill the terrorist leaders in their countries by drone attack. Are they better off in Gitmo, or dead?

[TexasTiger 15,474]

As I said in another thread: Personally, I find indefinite detention in Guantanamo Bay to be completely antithetical to the fundamental principle of freedom, regardless of who they are or what they are accused of doing. They should have been charged and tried, or set free long ago. I don't care how "convenient" it is for better waging our War on Terror, I don't trust our government to not do this to our own people after they've been doing it successfully to foreign nationals for over a decade. Secret courts, warrantless surveillance, and extraordinary rendition are not things I have enjoyed seeing become the American way.

That many Americans accept those things, along with consistently increasing intrusiveness in local police action, makes me wonder if they have forgotten what freedom means and why it should be cherished so much more than security.

But, but, 9/11 changed everything and none of that matters anymore!! ;)/>

What a cool piece you are! It has to do with the type enemy we face and their tactics more than this garbage but enjoy the foolish ridicule.

I would say that we would have probably accomplished more with regard to engaging and ultimately defeating terrorist attacks on the United States by taking a long hard look at our history in the region and why they despise us so much that they're willing to engage in desperate suicide bombing tactics to bloody our nose. It may not have ultimately worked at all, but would have probably done more to calm their violent hatred than completely destabilizing two of their fellow Islamic countries accomplished. They accomplished precisely what they wanted to accomplish with their action and our reaction. By resorting to things like the Patriot Act, blatant extraordinary rendition, and indefinite detention of foreign nationals, we have openly demonstrated the complete hypocrisy that we are so often accused of. We certainly have not shown that freedom we are always harping on about. I am reminded of a meme I saw a while back that showed an infantry fireteam kicking in the door and rushing in. The text: "Open the door a**hole, freedom's here". They wanted to prove that we are willing to compromise what we say are our core ideals as the first casualty when confronted, or for expediency's sake. I would say that our subsequent behavior has certainly proven their point.

All we have definitely accomplished is guaranteed another generation of people that feel like they have a good reason to despise us, and given most of them a personal experience to justify it. At their worst, terrorist attacks on the United States are isolated incidents. Those groups lack the resources and means to fight a proper war, and they know it. Rewriting our ethics in order to more conveniently engage them with force was not, nor will it ever be, the right course of action. The best course of action is to alter how you behave in their corner of the world, thus removing yourself from their violent gaze. It's not immediately effective, but it would be harder to keep a mobilized army of people desperate enough to sacrifice themselves to attack us when we are not so blatantly present to them. That is the reason that they do not really bother South America, Central America, Europe, most of Asia, or Australia. If it were actually about religion, the Vatican would have been a better target than the World Trade Center or Pentagon. They were attacking what they perceive as a long pattern of American imperialism.

The prior policy was to capture and interrogate the terrorists. There are about 149 left of the 799 held at Gitmo. We would let around another 100 go now if some country would take them. Countries refuse to take them or they will kill them when they get them. About 45 are left that are too dangerous to be let go.

The current policy is to kill the terrorist leaders in their countries by drone attack. Are they better off in Gitmo, or dead?

If we have enough info to know we have 45 guys we can never release , we should be able to convict them first , shouldn't we?

[AUFAN78 4,207]

As I said in another thread: Personally, I find indefinite detention in Guantanamo Bay to be completely antithetical to the fundamental principle of freedom, regardless of who they are or what they are accused of doing. They should have been charged and tried, or set free long ago. I don't care how "convenient" it is for better waging our War on Terror, I don't trust our government to not do this to our own people after they've been doing it successfully to foreign nationals for over a decade. Secret courts, warrantless surveillance, and extraordinary rendition are not things I have enjoyed seeing become the American way.

That many Americans accept those things, along with consistently increasing intrusiveness in local police action, makes me wonder if they have forgotten what freedom means and why it should be cherished so much more than security.

But, but, 9/11 changed everything and none of that matters anymore!! ;)/>

What a cool piece you are! It has to do with the type enemy we face and their tactics more than this garbage but enjoy the foolish ridicule.

I would say that we would have probably accomplished more with regard to engaging and ultimately defeating terrorist attacks on the United States by taking a long hard look at our history in the region and why they despise us so much that they're willing to engage in desperate suicide bombing tactics to bloody our nose. It may not have ultimately worked at all, but would have probably done more to calm their violent hatred than completely destabilizing two of their fellow Islamic countries accomplished. They accomplished precisely what they wanted to accomplish with their action and our reaction. By resorting to things like the Patriot Act, blatant extraordinary rendition, and indefinite detention of foreign nationals, we have openly demonstrated the complete hypocrisy that we are so often accused of. We certainly have not shown that freedom we are always harping on about. I am reminded of a meme I saw a while back that showed an infantry fireteam kicking in the door and rushing in. The text: "Open the door a**hole, freedom's here". They wanted to prove that we are willing to compromise what we say are our core ideals as the first casualty when confronted, or for expediency's sake. I would say that our subsequent behavior has certainly proven their point.

All we have definitely accomplished is guaranteed another generation of people that feel like they have a good reason to despise us, and given most of them a personal experience to justify it. At their worst, terrorist attacks on the United States are isolated incidents. Those groups lack the resources and means to fight a proper war, and they know it. Rewriting our ethics in order to more conveniently engage them with force was not, nor will it ever be, the right course of action. The best course of action is to alter how you behave in their corner of the world, thus removing yourself from their violent gaze. It's not immediately effective, but it would be harder to keep a mobilized army of people desperate enough to sacrifice themselves to attack us when we are not so blatantly present to them. That is the reason that they do not really bother South America, Central America, Europe, most of Asia, or Australia. If it were actually about religion, the Vatican would have been a better target than the World Trade Center or Pentagon. They were attacking what they perceive as a long pattern of American imperialism.

The prior policy was to capture and interrogate the terrorists. There are about 149 left of the 799 held at Gitmo. We would let around another 100 go now if some country would take them. Countries refuse to take them or they will kill them when they get them. About 45 are left that are too dangerous to be let go.

The current policy is to kill the terrorist leaders in their countries by drone attack. Are they better off in Gitmo, or dead?

If we have enough info to know we have 45 guys we can never release , we should be able to convict them first , shouldn't we?

Well maybe. If convicted, then what?