Iraq About to Fall?

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

AlQaeda affiliated militants have taken two major cities and are fighting within 50mmiles of Bagdad. Reports are that Iraq has asked the U.S.for air support but Obama declined/. Is he going to just let 4477 American lives go for naught? Looks that way. But I forgot......AlQaeda is on the run and we are winning the war on terror. What a joke this CIC is. But this is a serious situation. If Iraq falls to these militants, the "calculus" as Obama calls it is a whole new ball game in the Middle East.

[Strychnine 1,811]

AlQaeda affiliated militants have taken two major cities and are fighting within 50mmiles of Bagdad. Reports are that Iraq has asked the U.S.for air support but Obama declined/. Is he going to just let 4477 American lives go for naught? Looks that way. But I forgot......AlQaeda is on the run and we are winning the war on terror. What a joke this CIC is. But this is a serious situation. If Iraq falls to these militants, the "calculus" as Obama calls it is a whole new ball game in the Middle East.

While the knee-jerk reaction is that we should be assisting directly, the problem with our involvement at this point is that Iraq really does need to be able to defend itself. My guess is that our current strategy is give support instead of direct assistance, and let Iraq handle all of the fighting. An earned victory would probably go a long way toward establishing real government control. I also think we would be inclined to get much more involved if the situation really grows dire.

[autigeremt 7,458]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

[TexasTiger 15,444]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

[TheBlueVue 177]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

I think that is a fair question but I dont believe we have time to debate that. If Iraq falls to ISIS it will be the 1st time in history that a terrorist movement will have control of a nation. To allow that can not be good for our national security. It must be stopped and the vacuum created by our departure w/o a status of forces agreement is just another incompetent move by this administration especially after Uncle Joe went on national TV saying that Iraq was going to seen by history as one of this administration's greatest success stories. The people running this country are the most clueless boobs of all time. Liberalism has become an ideological philosophy of incompetence.

[autigeremt 7,458]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

We decide, not on public opinion polls, but internal information, to act in some way. Air power, strategic air strikes from the med, and listen to the generals and admirals for direction on changing the terms on the ground. It's either that, or begin preparations here for another world war because it will come.

[TexasTiger 15,444]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

I think that is a fair question but I dont believe we have time to debate that. If Iraq falls to ISIS it will be the 1st time in history that a terrorist movement will have control of a nation. To allow that can not be good for our national security. It must be stopped and the vacuum created by our departure w/o a status of forces agreement is just another incompetent move by this administration especially after Uncle Joe went on national TV saying that Iraq was going to seen by history as one of this administration's greatest success stories. The people running this country are the most clueless boobs of all time. Liberalism has become an ideological philosophy of incompetence.

So outline the course of action you recommend instead of just bashing those you don't like-- what's your solution to the problem ? What exactly would a competent administration do?

[autigeremt 7,458]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

I think that is a fair question but I dont believe we have time to debate that. If Iraq falls to ISIS it will be the 1st time in history that a terrorist movement will have control of a nation. To allow that can not be good for our national security. It must be stopped and the vacuum created by our departure w/o a status of forces agreement is just another incompetent move by this administration especially after Uncle Joe went on national TV saying that Iraq was going to seen by history as one of this administration's greatest success stories. The people running this country are the most clueless boobs of all time. Liberalism has become an ideological philosophy of incompetence.

So outline the course of action you recommend.

Why do you do this? It's not like we can change the course of dysfunction on Pennsylvania Ave.

What would you do?

[TheBlueVue 177]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

I think that is a fair question but I dont believe we have time to debate that. If Iraq falls to ISIS it will be the 1st time in history that a terrorist movement will have control of a nation. To allow that can not be good for our national security. It must be stopped and the vacuum created by our departure w/o a status of forces agreement is just another incompetent move by this administration especially after Uncle Joe went on national TV saying that Iraq was going to seen by history as one of this administration's greatest success stories. The people running this country are the most clueless boobs of all time. Liberalism has become an ideological philosophy of incompetence.

So outline the course of action you recommend.

Im not a national security adviser but i never would have declared the Iraq war over simply on the grounds that it was politically expedient and my base wanted out. The ox is in the ditch now and it will be much more difficult to go back in which I am not in favor of. This could have been avoided but barry sees EVERYTHING through a political lens. I just wish he had the same resolve to succeed when dealing with our real enemies as he does when dealing with his political opponents

[TexasTiger 15,444]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

I think that is a fair question but I dont believe we have time to debate that. If Iraq falls to ISIS it will be the 1st time in history that a terrorist movement will have control of a nation. To allow that can not be good for our national security. It must be stopped and the vacuum created by our departure w/o a status of forces agreement is just another incompetent move by this administration especially after Uncle Joe went on national TV saying that Iraq was going to seen by history as one of this administration's greatest success stories. The people running this country are the most clueless boobs of all time. Liberalism has become an ideological philosophy of incompetence.

So outline the course of action you recommend.

Why do you do this? It's not like we can change the course of dysfunction on Pennsylvania Ave.

What would you do?

All you do is complain and bash-- that's easy. What would a functional administration do? Politics should be about solutions. Offer some for a change.

[autigeremt 7,458]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

I think that is a fair question but I dont believe we have time to debate that. If Iraq falls to ISIS it will be the 1st time in history that a terrorist movement will have control of a nation. To allow that can not be good for our national security. It must be stopped and the vacuum created by our departure w/o a status of forces agreement is just another incompetent move by this administration especially after Uncle Joe went on national TV saying that Iraq was going to seen by history as one of this administration's greatest success stories. The people running this country are the most clueless boobs of all time. Liberalism has become an ideological philosophy of incompetence.

So outline the course of action you recommend.

Why do you do this? It's not like we can change the course of dysfunction on Pennsylvania Ave.

What would you do?

All you do is complain and bash-- that's easy. What would a functional administration do? Politics should be about solutions. Offer some for a change.

I'm not a politician, nor am I the CIC or an advisor. And no, I don't always complain....it just seems that way because your man sucks at his job.

[TheBlueVue 177]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

I think that is a fair question but I dont believe we have time to debate that. If Iraq falls to ISIS it will be the 1st time in history that a terrorist movement will have control of a nation. To allow that can not be good for our national security. It must be stopped and the vacuum created by our departure w/o a status of forces agreement is just another incompetent move by this administration especially after Uncle Joe went on national TV saying that Iraq was going to seen by history as one of this administration's greatest success stories. The people running this country are the most clueless boobs of all time. Liberalism has become an ideological philosophy of incompetence.

So outline the course of action you recommend.

Why do you do this? It's not like we can change the course of dysfunction on Pennsylvania Ave.

What would you do?

All you do is complain and bash-- that's easy. What would a functional administration do? Politics should be about solutions. Offer some for a change.

Somethings should be above politics. THAT is what this gang of incompetent idiots has a hard time comprehending

[TexasTiger 15,444]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

I think that is a fair question but I dont believe we have time to debate that. If Iraq falls to ISIS it will be the 1st time in history that a terrorist movement will have control of a nation. To allow that can not be good for our national security. It must be stopped and the vacuum created by our departure w/o a status of forces agreement is just another incompetent move by this administration especially after Uncle Joe went on national TV saying that Iraq was going to seen by history as one of this administration's greatest success stories. The people running this country are the most clueless boobs of all time. Liberalism has become an ideological philosophy of incompetence.

So outline the course of action you recommend.

Why do you do this? It's not like we can change the course of dysfunction on Pennsylvania Ave.

What would you do?

All you do is complain and bash-- that's easy. What would a functional administration do? Politics should be about solutions. Offer some for a change.

Somethings should be above politics. THAT is what this gang of incompetent idiots has a hard time comprehending

Explain it then-- offer the solution to all this incompetence around you. If this incompetent CIC sought your wisdom, what would you advise? Our very future is on the line. Don't chicken out. Don't fail. Step up. Help out. Share your wisdom.

[TheBlueVue 177]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

I think that is a fair question but I dont believe we have time to debate that. If Iraq falls to ISIS it will be the 1st time in history that a terrorist movement will have control of a nation. To allow that can not be good for our national security. It must be stopped and the vacuum created by our departure w/o a status of forces agreement is just another incompetent move by this administration especially after Uncle Joe went on national TV saying that Iraq was going to seen by history as one of this administration's greatest success stories. The people running this country are the most clueless boobs of all time. Liberalism has become an ideological philosophy of incompetence.

So outline the course of action you recommend.

Why do you do this? It's not like we can change the course of dysfunction on Pennsylvania Ave.

What would you do?

All you do is complain and bash-- that's easy. What would a functional administration do? Politics should be about solutions. Offer some for a change.

Somethings should be above politics. THAT is what this gang of incompetent idiots has a hard time comprehending

Explain it then-- offer the solution to all this incompetence around you. If this incompetent CIC sought your wisdom, what would you advise? Our very future is on the line. Don't chicken out. Don't fail. Step up. Help out. Share your wisdom.

The incompetence is NOT around me. It is around yaboy barry, the messiah, the prophet of hope and change, the great healer of the planet. What a frickin farce! The fact that a 2 bit community organizer is sitting in the Oval Office is a travesty!

[TexasTiger 15,444]

Iraqis don't want to fight. I think years of Saddam and a decade of unrest have killed their will to fight.

How do we fix that?

I think that is a fair question but I dont believe we have time to debate that. If Iraq falls to ISIS it will be the 1st time in history that a terrorist movement will have control of a nation. To allow that can not be good for our national security. It must be stopped and the vacuum created by our departure w/o a status of forces agreement is just another incompetent move by this administration especially after Uncle Joe went on national TV saying that Iraq was going to seen by history as one of this administration's greatest success stories. The people running this country are the most clueless boobs of all time. Liberalism has become an ideological philosophy of incompetence.

So outline the course of action you recommend.

Why do you do this? It's not like we can change the course of dysfunction on Pennsylvania Ave.

What would you do?

All you do is complain and bash-- that's easy. What would a functional administration do? Politics should be about solutions. Offer some for a change.

Somethings should be above politics. THAT is what this gang of incompetent idiots has a hard time comprehending

Explain it then-- offer the solution to all this incompetence around you. If this incompetent CIC sought your wisdom, what would you advise? Our very future is on the line. Don't chicken out. Don't fail. Step up. Help out. Share your wisdom.

The incompetence is NOT around me. It is around yaboy barry, the messiah, the prophet of hope and change, the great healer of the planet. What a frickin farce! The fact that a 2 bit community organizer is sitting in the Oval Office is a travesty!

Yeah, we get that. What would a competent CIC do? What would you recommend?

[RunInRed 19,289]

All you do is complain and bash-- that's easy. What would a functional administration do? Politics should be about solutions. Offer some for a change.

Sounds a lot like GOP leadership ...

[TexasTiger 15,444]

All you do is complain and bash-- that's easy. What would a functional administration do? Politics should be about solutions. Offer some for a change.

Sounds a lot like GOP leadership ...

Yeah, you'd think asking such smart folks for their opinion on a course of action would be better received.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

TT......We should have done the air strikes when they were first requested. The bad guys were still in their camps and an easy target. Now they're on the move but we can still support Iraqi troops with air power. It's hard to undo bad decisions. But the bottomline is we do everything possible to prevent a terrorist group from taking over a whole country.

RIR...LMAO at your last post. :Like a typical Dem, you can't come up with anything so point at the GOP. Newsflash.......the GOP is not in control, an army of incompetent Dems are, with a new scandal almost everyday and leadership no where to be found.

[TexasTiger 15,444]

TT......We should have done the air strikes when they were first requested. The bad guys were still in their camps and an easy target. Now they're on the move but we can still support Iraqi troops with air power. It's hard to undo bad decisions.

RIR...LMAO at your last post. :Like a typical Dem, you can't come up with anything so point at the GOP. Newsflash.......the GOP is not in control, an army of incompetent Dems are, with a new scandal almost everyday and leadership no where to be found.

So just air power or troops on the ground, too? Is air power enough if Iraqi troops refuse to fight? What's the overall plan that should be employed? How do we save Iraq?

[AUUSN 823]

I spent 15 months there. Both political parties screwed this up. Let them ruck up and fix the charlie foxtrot this time.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

TT.....nobody here claimed to be smart enough to lay a plan on the table so you can quit being cute. We don't have the necessary intelligence info to do so. As Hagel said yesterday, that's his job. He has a lot of capable military people to do what is necessary. But they need to do whatever is necessary to prevent Iraq from being controlled by these militants. You do understand the consequences of that don't you? If needed I would send in commando boots to fight them at their own game of guerilla warfare, supported by relentless air power. One thing for sure, I wouldn't let John Kerry in the planning room.

[TexasTiger 15,444]

TT.....nobody here claimed to be smart enough to lay a plan on the table so you can quit being cute. We don't have the necessary intelligence info to do so. As Hagel said yesterday, that's his job. He has a lot of capable military people to do what is necessary. But they need to do whatever is necessary to prevent Iraq from being controlled by these militants. You do understand the consequences of that don't you? If needed I would send in commando boots to fight them at their own game of guerilla warfare, supported by relentless air power. One thing for sure, I wouldn't let John Kerry in the planning room.

I'm not being cute. I tend to criticize others decisions when I see clearly superior alternatives. Given the relentless criticism I assumed all you guys have superior alternatives to what we're doing. I readily admit I just don't.

[autigeremt 7,458]

I spent 15 months there. Both political parties screwed this up. Let them ruck up and fix the charlie foxtrot this time.

Thank you!

[autigeremt 7,458]

TT.....nobody here claimed to be smart enough to lay a plan on the table so you can quit being cute. We don't have the necessary intelligence info to do so. As Hagel said yesterday, that's his job. He has a lot of capable military people to do what is necessary. But they need to do whatever is necessary to prevent Iraq from being controlled by these militants. You do understand the consequences of that don't you? If needed I would send in commando boots to fight them at their own game of guerilla warfare, supported by relentless air power. One thing for sure, I wouldn't let John Kerry in the planning room.

I'm not being cute. I tend to criticize others decisions when I see clearly superior alternatives. Given the relentless criticism I assumed all you guys have superior alternatives to what we're doing. I readily admit I just don't.

Sorry for the negative remarks. This stuff just pisses me off.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

TT,,,,,Obama should immediately call an emergency meeting with our allies to address the situation and see what immediate action can be taken to prevent the fall of Bagdad and go from there. That's my proposed plan, what's yours?