Interesting preview of SEC basketball

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College Basketball Preview 14-15: SEC

By: Dan Hanner

Aug 04, 2014 4:46 PM EDT

My numeric projections will be available near the start of the season, but today I want to write a few words about each SEC team’s outlook. Kentucky and Florida are obviously playing for top seeds in the NCAA tournament. Arkansas should be in the field. And you can throw the next eight teams in a hat, and defend almost any ordering. Alabama has Anthony Grant’s defense. Georgia is coming off a nice run to end 2013-14. Mississippi and South Carolina have experience. LSU has a dominant frontcourt but weak backcourt. Tennessee has a potentially dominant perimeter but weak frontcourt. Auburn has quality starters, but not enough depth (or enough tall athletic players) to optimally run Bruce Pearl’s system. And Missouri has talent, but few proven scorers.

A couple of those teams will likely be in the tournament, but strong arguments can be made for and against all of them.

SEC Favorite

Kentucky: Three of Kentucky’s best players are centers, junior Willie Cauley-Stein, sophomore Dakari Johnson and freshman Karl Towns Jr. Some people wonder whether they can play together. But “center” is a distinction that lacks meaning. Has Tim Duncan been a center or a power forward in the NBA? It doesn’t matter what position is listed on the scoresheet, it matters whether the players have the right set of skills to work together. And Kentucky’s centers have a diverse set of skills. Cauley-Stein is an elite shot-blocker. Johnson is a monster offensive rebounder. And Towns probably has the most offensive skill. Depending on the situation, they can complement one another and play together.

The key issue with playing the big men together is offensive spacing. To play multiple centers, power forwards Trey Lyles and Alex Poythress will probably play some at the wing position. But it isn’t clear whether Lyles or Poythress can shoot well enough from the perimeter to keep their defender from cheating into the paint. Still, I think this is a red-herring. A lot of teams will risk giving up open threes rather than let Kentucky’s big men slam home dunk after dunk. Having three big men on the floor isn’t going to ruin the spacing this season – opponent desperation is going to ruin the spacing. Moreover, even if Kentucky’s wings misses a bunch of open jumpers this year, with players like Johnson and Marcus Lee crashing the offensive boards, a low percentage jumper may still be great offense.

The other key issue with playing the big men together is defense. A lot of us were yelling at the TV last year when Kentucky did not play a zone defense. Last year none of the perimeter players were great defenders and it felt like Kentucky’s personnel would have been better off using their length to cause tips and deflections in a zone defense. This year’s team seems equally likely to thrive with a zone. But I don’t see John Calipari becoming a zone defense coach. He wants to prepare his players for the NBA, and NBA teams hate to see college prospects playing zone.

Assuming the team plays man-to-man defense, the weakness of having three big men on the floor is that someone might get beat off the dribble by a smaller opposing guard. But as long as Willie Cauley-Stein is providing elite help defense, getting beat won’t be a huge concern.

Now I’m not saying Kentucky will play a big lineup all the time. In close games and against elite competition, Calipari will play the lineup that gives his team the best chance to win. But Kentucky has room for error against most of its schedule. And I’m certain Kentucky’s elite centers will get a chance to play together.

The Only Real Challenger

Florida: The player stats suggest Florida’s outgoing players were critical to the defense and will be difficult to replace. Billy Donovan’s coaching record suggests he has not always been an elite defensive coach. His defense was elite when Al Horford and Joakim Noah were manning the middle. It was elite with Patric Young and Will Yeguete in the paint. And in the five years in the interim, it was average. Overall, the stats suggest Florida’s defense will fall off significantly.

Now, that doesn’t mean that Florida won’t be worthy of the Top 10. Donovan’s offenses are consistently among the nation’s best, and the lineup still has plenty of quality players. Kasey Hill, Michael Frazier, Dorian Finney-Smith, #20 freshmen Devin Robinson, and Chris Walker form a potentially elite starting unit. A now healthy Eli Carter should be back to his scoring ways, and Top 100 freshmen Brandone Francis and Chris Chiozza can ease into the lineup backing up the perimeter. Michigan transfer Jon Horford and Alex Murphy (once he becomes eligible in December) can spell the players in the front-court. But last year’s defense was special, it led to 30 wins in a row, and Florida probably won’t be good enough at getting stops to duplicate that consistency this season.

Hoping for the Top 25

Arkansas: Slowly but surely, Mike Anderson has been building things up at Arkansas. Arkansas’ margin-of-victory was 132^nd three years ago, 79^th two years ago, and 52^nd last year. All Anderson really needed was a quiet off-season where no one foolishly left early in the draft or transferred because of playing time. And that finally happened this year. Throw in the addition of West Virginia transfer Keaton Miles, Top 100 JUCO Jabril Durham, and a skilled freshmen PG recruit named Anton Beard, and this is the year.

Probably the most interesting statistical wrinkle with Arkansas is that most of the Arkansas players that graduated were low-volume shooters. The pessimist would say there won’t be enough balls to go around this year. The optimist will say Arkansas’ best players will have to be more selective, and that should lead to a bump in efficiency for everyone.

Hoping for the NCAA Tournament

Alabama: While Anthony Grant’s teams finished 6^th, 5^th, and 20^th in adjusted defense over the previous three seasons, his team’s defense plummeted to 76^th nationally last year. The answer may be transfer Michael Kessens. Kessens was an elite defensive rebounder at Longwood, and rebounding is the type of skill that translates well across leagues. I’m not sure Kessen’s scoring touch will translate from the Big South to the SEC, but for one of the worst defensive rebounding teams in the country last year, Alabama needs Kessens rebounding as much as his points. Meanwhile, with shot-blocking Jimmie Taylor playing more minutes as he makes the expected sophomore leap to relevance, Alabama’s post defense should return to a near-elite level. And with quality defense, you are always in the hunt for the NCAA tournament.

But the story of Alabama is probably a player like Retin Obasohan. At 6’1”, Obasohan somehow got 29 blocks last season, and he’s great at getting steals. He’s a one-man havoc defense. But in two seasons he’s shown he can’t shoot worth a lick. And at this point, Alabama has a bunch of players that have offensive flaws. Levi Randolph, Rodney Cooper, and Shannon Hale have significant minutes at the college level and we know none of them are offensive stars. Even if the defense is good again, it remains to be seen whether Alabama can score enough points.

Tulane transfer Ricky Tarrant will do his best to replace Alabama’s one dominant offensive player, the departed Trevor Releford. But perhaps the most intriguing pick-up of the off-season is Christophe Varidel. Varidel started as a freshman at Florida Gulf Coast, and has always shot well from three point range. And yet, the longer he stayed at FGCU, the fewer minutes he played. In the year FGCU went to the Sweet Sixteen, Varidel played the fewest minutes of his career, and posted the lowest ORtg. Varidel transferred to Chaminade, content to end his career in Hawaii, with one more shot at the big boys in the Maui Invitational. But after an injury caused him to red-shirt last year, Varidel decided to pack his bags for Alabama.

You have to hand it to a player that first chose the dorm-room views at FGCU and then chose to play in Hawaii. Varidel clearly understands how to maximize the off-court benefits of his scholarship. But the uncertainty about Varidel is important. The question is whether Alabama is getting a truly great three point shooter that will help their broken offense click, or the player who became a minor role player in the Atlantic Sun.

Georgia: On February 1^st, Georgia sat at 10-10 on the season, having just lost to Auburn. Mark Fox’s job seemed like it might be on the line. Then amazingly, he got his team to finish 10-4, including a trip to the second round of the NIT. But don’t kid yourself into thinking last year’s 12-6 SEC record meant this was a dominant team. Georgia played the easiest schedule in the SEC, and didn’t beat a single team in the Pomeroy top 50 all year. Georgia’s lineup was solid, but far from elite.

And that’s my biggest problem with Georgia heading into this year. There simply isn’t a lot of reason to believe this team will become elite. There are still no former Top 100 high school recruits on the roster. Mark Fox got his roster to play well this year, but there aren’t a lot of guys with potential they haven’t realized. Backup guards Juwan Parker and JJ Frazier will probably play a little better thanks to the sophomore leap. (Parker’s free throw percentage was good, so he’ll almost certainly shoot better from the field next year.) And Georgia will probably avoid some of the early season losses they had last season. But this is a bubble team.

Ole Miss and South Carolina: One of the biggest things that drags down a team’s offense and defense is the use of freshmen. Freshmen simply make a ton of mistakes. And while returning minutes is correlated with usage of freshmen (South Carolina returns a lot of minutes and will play very few freshmen), the correlation isn’t perfect.

The time when teams often make a big leap forward is when they begin to rely less on freshmen. In the following table, I project each team’s rotation for this season and then show whether they will give more or less minutes to freshmen than the year before.

Ole Miss and South Carolina are both expected to rely substantially less on freshmen, which is why I expect those teams to be a lot more efficient. They won’t quite have the star power to compete with the elite teams in the SEC. But, by avoiding mistakes, by avoiding costly “bad losses” in the non-conference schedule, and by beating some more talented teams with experience, they could squeak into the NCAA tournament.

Mississippi’s roster is surprisingly intriguing. First, Jarvis Summers became a real star last year. He’s always been a quality passer, but he improved his shooting and became a high volume scorer last year. He should be on some of the all-SEC preseason teams. The Rebels also have quality frontcourt depth. Sebastian Saiz is a quality rebounder, Aaron Jones is a great shot-blocker, and Anthony Perez is the more prolific scorer and former elite recruit. (That depth is why Demarco Cox packed his bags for Georgia Tech this off-season.)

That core would be intriguing, but probably not strong enough to win on its own, but Andy Kennedy added four transfers, including three who averaged double-digits at mid-major level schools. He added Stefan Moody, who shined at Florida Atlantic before taking the JUCO route, Terrence Smith, a high scoring graduate transfer from Tennessee Martin, MJ Rhett, a quality big man from Tennessee St, and Roderick Lawrence, a quality JUCO guard. That’s a roster designed to make a run at an NCAA tournament bid, even if none of the names (other than Summers) really jump off the page.

For South Carolina, Ty Johnson returns from an injury, and he should help make up for the graduation of Brenton Williams. The biggest place I expect the team to improve is in the front-court. Laimonas Chatkevicius improved substantially at rebounding, blocking shots, and finishing around the rim last year, and it will be hard to keep him in a reserve role this year. That will be good because his added size should help the defense quite a bit. But elite forward prospect Demetrius Henry should also be better. Even though Henry struggled as a freshman, his potential is still very high (as seen by his high offensive rebounding rate and high school recruiting rank.) Sindarius Thornwell and Duane Notice will also benefit from the typical sophomore leap. South Carolina looked bad at times last year, but they were very young last year. For head coach Frank Martin, youth is no longer an excuse.

LSU: Media reports suggest that head coach Johnny Jones forced Anthony Hickey to transfer this off-season. And while it might have been the right thing to do in the long-term, (a coach needs players that will listen to him and follow his rules), it is a devastating short-run outcome. While LSU is one of the only teams in the SEC with the front-court to hang with Kentucky, their back-court is now shockingly weak. Here is what’s left:

Josh Gray – A 100 JUCO recruit, the kind of prospect that is very much a lottery ticket.

Keith Hornsby – A nice transfer from UNC Asheville, but remember that Asheville faced the 281^st defensive schedule strength. He’ll be facing a huge upgrade in competition in jumping to the SEC.

Tim Quarterman – A former Top 100 recruit, but he was very turnover prone, one of the worst shooters in the SEC last year, and he had one of the lowest ORtgs in the SEC last season.

Jalyn Patterson – A three star freshman.

LSU will still be very good because Jordan Mickey and Jarrell Martin are two of the best forwards in the SEC. And LSU adds a true 7 footer in Elbert Robinson. (Height at the center position is an important predictor of defensive performance, and no SEC team adds inches at the center position quite like LSU.) But there might not be a player whose transfer was more damaging in the short-run than the loss of Hickey. His departure turned LSU from a team on the cusp of greatness, to a team that will likely spend much of the season on the bubble.

Tennessee: We have no idea who will be the primary PG for Tennessee. The two Top 100 JUCO transfers, Kevin Punter and Devon Baulkman are combo guards who might split that duty, but neither is a natural PG. A lot of people also like IUPUI transfer Ian Chiles. But the only reason Chiles resembles a PG is because of his height. Chiles was not a passer at his former school. He was basically just a guy who shot a ton, whether the shots went in or not. Yes he scored nearly 16 points per game, but making 45% of your twos and 29% of your threes in the Summit league, doesn’t necessarily lend itself to dominating in the SEC.

The other perimeter positions will be the team’s strength. Josh Richardson was a dominant wing player in the SEC last year. Robert Hubbs is back from an injury, and he has the potential to be very good, and Detrick Mostella has been a commit at many programs, but he’s a Top 100 recruit who could also do plenty of damage. And don’t forget about Armani Moore. He was a very quiet offensive player, but he made very few mistakes and was very good at blocking shots and grabbing steals.

Then there are more big questions up front. Derek Reese played sparingly last year, and quite frankly, he doesn’t project as an SEC quality starter. JUCO center Rawane Ndiaye was supposed to help last year, but he was injured early and missed most of the season. And that means three star freshman Tariq Owens may be pressed into starting early in his career.

In my simulation I project an upside and downside for each team. The Volunteers are one of the highest variance teams in the nation. They bring in a number of quality parts, but there are also no proven commodities on the roster. Almost any outcome is possible.

Auburn: New head coach Bruce Pearl’s excitement and energy is contagious. It is hard to listen to him describe his team and not pick Auburn for an upper-division finish in the SEC. But the numbers say it might take a little time.

The two returning starters, KT Harrell and Tahj Shamsid-Deen are better than most people realize, while Cinmeon Bowers will almost certainly be an impact JUCO forward. But I think it is important not to get too excited about the two transfers.

Antoine Mason is getting a little too much pub this off-season. Yes, he is the nation’s leading returning scorer. But Mason’s scoring was high because Niagara played almost no defense and played at one of the fastest paces in the country. Mason never left the game and he had the green light to shoot constantly. He was somewhat efficient, but only because he never turned the ball over. But he only made 29% of the 168 threes he took last year. The step up to the SEC will be significant. While Niagara’s defensive schedule strength was 197^th, Auburn’s was 70^th.

KC Ross-Miller is a talented player, but he’s on his third school, and he was kicked out of the last school for an off-court incident. That’s not necessarily the type of player you can build a program around. And Ross-Miller played in an even weaker league than Mason. That’s not to say that Mason and Ross-Miller won’t be important players next year. But you can’t simply assume they will dominate the SEC like they did at their previous schools. Moreover, the rest of Auburn’s roster remains weak. Auburn’s average star rating (the high school graded potential of its roster) is still the lowest in the SEC.

Most importantly, Bruce Pearl would like to use pressure defense and force turnovers. But four of his best five players are guards. He simply doesn’t have the length at key positions to run his patented pressure defense at full throttle yet.

Missouri: It might surprise you to hear that Missouri has the third most former Top 100 recruits in the SEC, behind only Kentucky and Florida. These include:

#42 Johnathan Williams, an elite offensive rebounder and the team’s best returning player.

#72 Wes Clark, a sophomore PG, who struggled with turnovers last year, but who could become a key player with the typical sophomore leap.

#56 Deuce Bello, an elite athlete at guard who struggled mightily at Baylor and is looking for a fresh start.

#50 Jakeenan Gant, an elite freshman big man.

#93 Namon Wright, an elite freshman off-guard.

#38 (estimate) Montaque Gill-Ceaser, an elite freshmen wing who just re-classified from the 2015 class to the 2014 class.

#46 Cameron Biedscheid, a transfer from Notre Dame who will be eligible in December.

The team also has a nice PG transfer in Keith Shamburger and a veteran center named Ryan Rosburg. That sounds like a quality rotation, but then you realize that even though the team has talent, it is sorely lacking offense. All of the returning players were very passive offensive players last year, and asking them to shoot more should hurt their efficiency. Gill-Ceaser, Gant, and Wright are not ranked high enough to expect them to carry a team in year one. Shamburger will probably be a good player, but making the leap from the Big West to the SEC will be a significant upgrade in competition. And it may sound crazy to say this, but Biedsheid has a very good chance to lead the team in scoring once he becomes eligible mid-season.

Hoping for the NIT

Texas A&M and Vanderbilt: The Commodores probably aren’t going to be fortunate enough to have their opponent’s make only 65% of their free throws and 30% of their threes again this season. And the Aggies opponents only made 29% of their threes. Both defenses were lucky and probably not as good as their points per possession numbers would suggest.

But that’s a real problem because both offenses were brutal last year. I do expect both offenses to make strides because each team has talent. In A&M’s case, the offense should improve with the addition of SMU transfer Jalen Jones. In Vanderbilt’s case, the team gets Josh Henderson back from injury, and adds a big recruiting class led by Shelton Mitchell. But both offenses still have light years to go to be NCAA tournament caliber. And if the defenses aren’t as lucky this year, the NIT might be the ceiling.

Mississippi St: The best thing you can say about Mississippi St. is that most of the players in last year’s rotation are back. Wait, after how they played last year, that might be the worst thing you can say.

[InfernoOrangeSS 321]

Good read and I think accurate an description of AU. I'm as excited as I can be about our prospects, but I fear some have over-hyped this season and it will turn some people off.

[AU64 10,122]

Good read and I think accurate an description of AU. I'm as excited as I can be about our prospects, but I fear some have over-hyped this season and it will turn some people off.

^^^^^

AU fans are like a drowning man grasping at whatever he thinks will save him. We have waaay more questions than answers right now as far as our rosters...and who will start, who will even be on the squad by November, etc. It's nice to see people excited but I hope we don't see folks abandoning ship when we hit the iceberg of reality....please pardon all the cliches.... I think it's gonna be that kind of day.

[Timeslider 6 269]

Yes, i believe you are correct about getting too excited too soon. I, for one, am guilty of that offense, however this article is very sobering and i appreciate the post.

[aucanucktiger 1,789]

Well there's a certain lack of logic in that story's analysis of Auburn. It trumpets only 2 SEC teams as national powers with 1 more is hoping for the top 25, yet claims our transferring recruits that were significant players elsewhere on the college level are probably not "ready" for the SEC? hmmmm. This ain't football.

[Tiger 8,817]

Niagra and the SEC are worlds different, though. Like not even close actually.

[NoALtiger 3,849]

I think that's a pretty fair pre-season assessment. I do think we will be better than many predict us to be- call it cautiously optimistic I guess. We are definitely headed upwards and that's the main thing.

[gravejd 3,268]

The fact that we are in the "hoping for NCAA tournament" section is simply amazing IMO. I think its a fair assessment of AU. We will be counting on a lot of guys who have not played at this level before. So its good that someone points that out and makes AU fans realize that we ain't done nothing yet. Easy to get excited when we have had nothing to get excited about in about 5 years.

[Weegle777 78]

I agree with Canuck. This isn't football. Having said that, do I believe that we are ready to challenge for the NCAA title? Ehhh...maybe not, but Bruce is very good at what he does. He isn't just a good recruiter and a suspect gameday coach like saban, this guy knows what he is doing and can win with what others couldn't. I expect vast improvement, but not an NCAA title just yet. Shocking I know coming from me!

[gravejd 3,268]

What?!? You mean you don't expect AU to win every game next year!! Not sure what this says about your AU fan status

[InfernoOrangeSS 321]

;D/> What?!? You mean you don't expect AU to win every game next year!! Not sure what this says about your AU fan status

It says we're realists that temper our enthusiasm with clear vision. We'll reach the mountaintop, but it will take a little while.

[Weegle777 78]

;D/> What?!? You mean you don't expect AU to win every game next year!! Not sure what this says about your AU fan status

I know right! I usually pick us to go unbeaten. Guess I'm mellowing...

[augolf1716 21,096]

;D/> What?!? You mean you don't expect AU to win every game next year!! Not sure what this says about your AU fan status

I know right! I usually pick us to go unbeaten. Guess I'm mellowing...

That because of your love for Barry Manilow

[WDE_OxPx_2010 5,287]

Count me in the crowd that believes.

MARK MY WORDS-

Auburn will win 12 games in conference and be a 3 or 4 seed in the sec tourney.

They will win 20 games overall, a 5 to 8 seed in ncaa tourney.

Bruce Pearl wins at least 1 big coach of year award.

BONUS: Next year is our year to really shake things up.

Bruce Pearl has a unique style of play that will bring huge dividends to Auburn this year. He's the Malzahn, Chip Kelly, Kevin Sumlin of college basketball.

[InfernoOrangeSS 321]

Count me in the crowd that believes.

MARK MY WORDS-

Auburn will win 12 games in conference and be a 3 or 4 seed in the sec tourney.

They will win 20 games overall, a 5 to 8 seed in ncaa tourney.

Bruce Pearl wins at least 1 big coach of year award.

BONUS: Next year is our year to really shake things up.

Bruce Pearl has a unique style of play that will bring huge dividends to Auburn this year. He's the Malzahn, Chip Kelly, Kevin Sumlin of college basketball.

I hope you're right. Everyone needs to understand if he doesn't tear up the league this year, that he inherited a program that was not only terrible; it was the laughingstock of college BB. He will bring us to greatness, though.

[Mikey 16,550]

Count me in the crowd that believes.

MARK MY WORDS-

Auburn will win 12 games in conference and be a 3 or 4 seed in the sec tourney.

They will win 20 games overall, a 5 to 8 seed in ncaa tourney.

Bruce Pearl wins at least 1 big coach of year award.

BONUS: Next year is our year to really shake things up.

Bruce Pearl has a unique style of play that will bring huge dividends to Auburn this year. He's the Malzahn, Chip Kelly, Kevin Sumlin of college basketball.

I hope you are right, but I don't think so. I expect it will take Pearl a couple of years to get this ship turned around and headed in the right direction.

[AU64 10,122]

Count me in the crowd that believes.

MARK MY WORDS-

Auburn will win 12 games in conference and be a 3 or 4 seed in the sec tourney.

They will win 20 games overall, a 5 to 8 seed in ncaa tourney.

Bruce Pearl wins at least 1 big coach of year award.

BONUS: Next year is our year to really shake things up.

Bruce Pearl has a unique style of play that will bring huge dividends to Auburn this year. He's the Malzahn, Chip Kelly, Kevin Sumlin of college basketball.

I hope you are right, but I don't think so. I expect it will take Pearl a couple of years to get this ship turned around and headed in the right direction.

Most of the conference is so bad that we should be able to climb several notches but unlike many on here, I'm not sure how some of BPs recent recruits will turn out in the rough and tumble SEC where basketball is a bit like winter football. With a tougher OOC schedule, a 20 win season is pretty remote IMO....but maybe an NIT offer. Hoping for better of course...but not expecting it.

[aucanucktiger 1,789]

;D/> What?!? You mean you don't expect AU to win every game next year!! Not sure what this says about your AU fan status

I know right! I usually pick us to go unbeaten. Guess I'm mellowing...

That because of your love for Barry Manilow

Manilow, "Kelly's Heroes", same era....

[mustache eagle 2,388]

I wonder if some folks are unknowingly letting the recent positive recruiting news translate to on court success this season.

[Mikey 16,550]

I wonder if some folks are unknowingly letting the recent positive recruiting news translate to on court success this season.

Great recruiting news usually=more success on the floor. I expect us to be better, just not by the leaps and bounds that some seem to be expecting.

[douggwilliams 61]

1. Lets just make it to the SEC tourney, wait this isn't baseball. Lets just make it to the finals of the SEC tourney and then make a run in the NIT. That is a huge success.
   

[gravejd 3,268]

I'm not saying I will be disappointed and consider next season a bust if it doesn't happen (any improvement at this point is a success in my eyes), but I fully expect us to be in the NCAA tournament conversation next season.

[auburntiger1987 759]

I just want improvement. if we get really good and shock some people, great! but i'm not going to say we're a big dance team until we see something on the court that looks palatable cause its been a while

[AuburnArch13 185]

Count me in the crowd that believes.

MARK MY WORDS-

Auburn will win 12 games in conference and be a 3 or 4 seed in the sec tourney.

They will win 20 games overall, a 5 to 8 seed in ncaa tourney.

Bruce Pearl wins at least 1 big coach of year award.

BONUS: Next year is our year to really shake things up.

Bruce Pearl has a unique style of play that will bring huge dividends to Auburn this year. He's the Malzahn, Chip Kelly, Kevin Sumlin of college basketball.

I hope you are right, but I don't think so. I expect it will take Pearl a couple of years to get this ship turned around and headed in the right direction.

Not to jump on your metaphor too much, but I think that with what Pearl has already done the ship has been turned around, so to speak. Time will tell if it's pointed in the right direction, but I imagine this year will be better than the last, which would say something to that effect. With that said, I agree that it might be a few seasons before we are anywhere close to port.

[cooltigger21 0]

Good read and I think accurate an description of AU. I'm as excited as I can be about our prospects, but I fear some have over-hyped this season and it will turn some people off.

just to watch a team play with discipline and be competitive is good anything improvement over what we have seen previously is good for me.