Obama's Coffee Cup Salute

[cptau 127]

If he can't do it correctly, just don't salute

http://www.washingto...-holding-a-cup/

[TitanTiger 17,243]

Honestly, is it really necessary to be this nitpicky?

[augolf1716 18,445]

I will say many a servicemen have said to me how they respected how Ronald Reagan gave the correct salute. I agree seems a little picky but it does mean alot to those who serviced.

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[cptau 127]

Honestly, is it really necessary to be this nitpicky?

No it is not. The salute is a basic military courtesy and is a sign of respect between members of the armed services.

The salute isn't simply an honor exchanged; it's a privileged gesture of respect and trust among military members.

The salute is not only prescribed by regulation, but is also recognition of each other's commitment, abilities, and professionalism.

Holding cups, pens, etc. in the right hand while saluting is not allowed.

Edited September 23, 2014 by cptau

[WarTim 3,192]

He simply is going through the motions.

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

Yay... a thread I get to lean right on today! Rejoice PT.

I agree with golf, one of those things that is nick-picky for a civilian to hit on, but not for those in the military or that were in the military.

Ha, just noticed even my avatar is giving a proper salute.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Texan4Auburn

[cooltigger21 0]

Honestly, is it really necessary to be this nitpicky?

Oh come on. Is it that difficult to get rid of a coffee cup and at least pretend you have some respect for these people?

[AUUSN 823]

I'm not going to pass judgement because there have been a time or two where I've had a complete brain fart and forgot to leave my right hand free only to be saluted. I'm sure it was quite comical seeing me trying to unscrew myself and return a salute.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

[Strychnine 1,756]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

Or one could say that it's split between those who are critical of Obama, in some way, about everything he does, and those who do not assume Obama intends the destruction of all things American in everything he does. Considering that I despise both parties, I cannot be considered an Obama supporter or defender. However, I do get as annoyed with the incessant anti-Obama vitriol/rhetoric as I did the anti-Bush vitriol/rhetoric. I do not find it to be productive in any sense, but I do find it endemic of why we will consistently find ourselves in these positions as long as we buy the rhetoric and support Democrats or Republicans.

[TitanTiger 17,243]

I'm not going to pass judgement because there have been a time or two where I've had a complete brain fart and forgot to leave my right hand free only to be saluted. I'm sure it was quite comical seeing me trying to unscrew myself and return a salute.

I've worked among military folks and even colonels and majors and such that were almost always following protocols to a "T" made a mistake now and then. Having something in their hand or whatever. It happens. I just don't think, even if it bothers you, that it warrants the extrapolations about a man's heart and character over it.

[TitanTiger 17,243]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

Or one could say that it's split between those who are critical of Obama, in some way, about everything he does, and those who do not assume Obama intends the destruction of all things American in everything he does. Considering that I despise both parties, I cannot be considered an Obama supporter or defender. However, I do get as annoyed with the incessant anti-Obama vitriol/rhetoric as I did the anti-Bush vitriol/rhetoric. I do not find it to be productive in any sense, but I do find it endemic of why we will consistently find ourselves in these positions as long as we buy the rhetoric and support Democrats or Republicans.

This is what it's come to...that if you don't jump in with both feet on every Obama-bash that gets going here, you're defending him. There's no middle ground whatsoever. You either trash him at every opportunity or you're an apologist.

[TheBlueVue 177]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

Or one could say that it's split between those who are critical of Obama, in some way, about everything he does, and those who do not assume Obama intends the destruction of all things American in everything he does. Considering that I despise both parties, I cannot be considered an Obama supporter or defender. However, I do get as annoyed with the incessant anti-Obama vitriol/rhetoric as I did the anti-Bush vitriol/rhetoric. I do not find it to be productive in any sense, but I do find it endemic of why we will consistently find ourselves in these positions as long as we buy the rhetoric and support Democrats or Republicans.

This is what it's come to...that if you don't jump in with both feet on every Obama-bash that gets going here, you're defending him. There's no middle ground whatsoever. You either trash him at every opportunity or you're an apologist.

He certainly provides an abundance of opportunities for those who prefer trashing him. Just saying.

[Strychnine 1,756]

This is what it's come to...that if you don't jump in with both feet on every Obama-bash that gets going here, you're defending him. There's no middle ground whatsoever. You either trash him at every opportunity or you're an apologist.

It reminds me much of a train of logic that insisted "if you're not for the war, then you're for the enemy" about a decade ago. Some people do not fall into partisan politics, simply because they see that nearly a lifetime of partisan politics has completely failed to represent them, and they find it foolish to think that more of either party is going to somehow improve our increasingly bleak situation.

[TitanTiger 17,243]

This is why this sort of thing is overblown to me. I doubt any of you would characterize George W. Bush as disrespectful of the military. Yet...

W. couldn't put his dog down or hold him with one arm to give a proper salute. It happens.

[Strychnine 1,756]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

Or one could say that it's split between those who are critical of Obama, in some way, about everything he does, and those who do not assume Obama intends the destruction of all things American in everything he does. Considering that I despise both parties, I cannot be considered an Obama supporter or defender. However, I do get as annoyed with the incessant anti-Obama vitriol/rhetoric as I did the anti-Bush vitriol/rhetoric. I do not find it to be productive in any sense, but I do find it endemic of why we will consistently find ourselves in these positions as long as we buy the rhetoric and support Democrats or Republicans.

This is what it's come to...that if you don't jump in with both feet on every Obama-bash that gets going here, you're defending him. There's no middle ground whatsoever. You either trash him at every opportunity or you're an apologist.

He certainly provides an abundance of opportunities for those who prefer trashing him. Just saying.

And what does that say about the nature of those who prefer trashing him?

[TheBlueVue 177]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

Or one could say that it's split between those who are critical of Obama, in some way, about everything he does, and those who do not assume Obama intends the destruction of all things American in everything he does. Considering that I despise both parties, I cannot be considered an Obama supporter or defender. However, I do get as annoyed with the incessant anti-Obama vitriol/rhetoric as I did the anti-Bush vitriol/rhetoric. I do not find it to be productive in any sense, but I do find it endemic of why we will consistently find ourselves in these positions as long as we buy the rhetoric and support Democrats or Republicans.

This is what it's come to...that if you don't jump in with both feet on every Obama-bash that gets going here, you're defending him. There's no middle ground whatsoever. You either trash him at every opportunity or you're an apologist.

He certainly provides an abundance of opportunities for those who prefer trashing him. Just saying.

And what does that say about the nature of those who prefer trashing him?

Anything you want it to say. People have different perspectives. I haven't called you out for yours because its not my concern but I'll make no bones about it. I think the guy is doing a horrible job of preserving, protecting and defending the best interests of this country. You may disagree and if you do, that's your business and not my problem

[cooltigger21 0]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

Or one could say that it's split between those who are critical of Obama, in some way, about everything he does, and those who do not assume Obama intends the destruction of all things American in everything he does. Considering that I despise both parties, I cannot be considered an Obama supporter or defender. However, I do get as annoyed with the incessant anti-Obama vitriol/rhetoric as I did the anti-Bush vitriol/rhetoric. I do not find it to be productive in any sense, but I do find it endemic of why we will consistently find ourselves in these positions as long as we buy the rhetoric and support Democrats or Republicans.

This is what it's come to...that if you don't jump in with both feet on every Obama-bash that gets going here, you're defending him. There's no middle ground whatsoever. You either trash him at every opportunity or you're an apologist.

He certainly provides an abundance of opportunities for those who prefer trashing him. Just saying.

And what does that say about the nature of those who prefer trashing him?

you think I take pleasure in what I say about Obama? It pains me because of what it means for our country. I have yet to see one thing out of him that even remotely suggests he is acting in the best interest of this nation. It was oh so predictable but so many got the fever and believed the hope and change stuff. He does not believe in the basic goodness of America. You don't set out to fundamentally transform something you think is working good. When you set out to do that it says you think it is flawed at the core. He made it abundantly clear before he was elected that he holds the constitution in disdain. His actions as president have born witness to that. Edited September 24, 2014 by cooltigger21

[Strychnine 1,756]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

Or one could say that it's split between those who are critical of Obama, in some way, about everything he does, and those who do not assume Obama intends the destruction of all things American in everything he does. Considering that I despise both parties, I cannot be considered an Obama supporter or defender. However, I do get as annoyed with the incessant anti-Obama vitriol/rhetoric as I did the anti-Bush vitriol/rhetoric. I do not find it to be productive in any sense, but I do find it endemic of why we will consistently find ourselves in these positions as long as we buy the rhetoric and support Democrats or Republicans.

This is what it's come to...that if you don't jump in with both feet on every Obama-bash that gets going here, you're defending him. There's no middle ground whatsoever. You either trash him at every opportunity or you're an apologist.

He certainly provides an abundance of opportunities for those who prefer trashing him. Just saying.

And what does that say about the nature of those who prefer trashing him?

Anything you want it to say. People have different perspectives. I haven't called you out for yours because its not my concern but I'll make no bones about it. I think the guy is doing a horrible job of preserving, protecting and defending the best interests of this country. You may disagree and if you do, that's your business and not my problem

You haven't called me out for mine because you have no grounds upon which to do so. I despise Obama in the same way that I would have despised Romney or McCain had they been in his place. In my opinion, all three would have likely done the same horrible job serving the American people, and that is where we actually disagree apparently. I do not buy their rhetoric, or their false conviction. I think they agree with one another far more than any of us agree with one another, and I think they're equally disinterested in representing us. I also think that you and I ultimately want the same thing: what is best for the actual people. Where I think we disagree is in the concept of thinking there are politicians on either side that are actually interested in acting in either of our interests.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Blue...I agree....to no one's surprise. If those who get tired of the Obama bashing, why don't they post some positive things he does rather than offering little except criticizing other posters. Notice how a few of them here do nothing but make negative responses to those who start threads but rarely start a thread of their own.

[Strychnine 1,756]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

Or one could say that it's split between those who are critical of Obama, in some way, about everything he does, and those who do not assume Obama intends the destruction of all things American in everything he does. Considering that I despise both parties, I cannot be considered an Obama supporter or defender. However, I do get as annoyed with the incessant anti-Obama vitriol/rhetoric as I did the anti-Bush vitriol/rhetoric. I do not find it to be productive in any sense, but I do find it endemic of why we will consistently find ourselves in these positions as long as we buy the rhetoric and support Democrats or Republicans.

This is what it's come to...that if you don't jump in with both feet on every Obama-bash that gets going here, you're defending him. There's no middle ground whatsoever. You either trash him at every opportunity or you're an apologist.

He certainly provides an abundance of opportunities for those who prefer trashing him. Just saying.

And what does that say about the nature of those who prefer trashing him?

you think I take pleasure in what I say about Obama? It pains me because of what it means for our country. I have yet to see one thing out of him that even remotely suggests he is acting in the best interest of this nation. It was oh so predictable but so many got the fever and believed the hope and change stuff. He does not believe in the basic goodness of America. You don't set out to fundamentally transform something you think is working good. When you set out to do that it says you think it is flawed at the core.

What are the best interests of this nation, as she sits at present? I never believed the "hope and change stuff", as I was not and still am not an Obama supporter. If I'm anything, I'm a Libertarian. I also do not consider any of it to be peculiar to Obama, and in thinking that I do not expect it to be something that can be addressed by either party. Obama's and Bush's administrations have demonstrated quite clearly that our politicians have no connection with the concept of life for the American people. I do not blame either of them individually for that, and I instead find it to be endemic of the reality of life to be expected from the representation of either group. Both groups have figured out the obvious: that the American people are not interested in politics, and that as long as they can keep politics "boring", that will continue.

[TheBlueVue 177]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

Or one could say that it's split between those who are critical of Obama, in some way, about everything he does, and those who do not assume Obama intends the destruction of all things American in everything he does. Considering that I despise both parties, I cannot be considered an Obama supporter or defender. However, I do get as annoyed with the incessant anti-Obama vitriol/rhetoric as I did the anti-Bush vitriol/rhetoric. I do not find it to be productive in any sense, but I do find it endemic of why we will consistently find ourselves in these positions as long as we buy the rhetoric and support Democrats or Republicans.

This is what it's come to...that if you don't jump in with both feet on every Obama-bash that gets going here, you're defending him. There's no middle ground whatsoever. You either trash him at every opportunity or you're an apologist.

He certainly provides an abundance of opportunities for those who prefer trashing him. Just saying.

And what does that say about the nature of those who prefer trashing him?

Anything you want it to say. People have different perspectives. I haven't called you out for yours because its not my concern but I'll make no bones about it. I think the guy is doing a horrible job of preserving, protecting and defending the best interests of this country. You may disagree and if you do, that's your business and not my problem

You haven't called me out for mine because you have no grounds upon which to do so. I despise Obama in the same way that I would have despised Romney or McCain had they been in his place. In my opinion, all three would have likely done the same horrible job serving the American people, and that is where we actually disagree apparently. I do not buy their rhetoric, or their false conviction. I think they agree with one another far more than any of us agree with one another, and I think they're equally disinterested in representing us. I also think that you and I ultimately want the same thing: what is best for the actual people. Where I think we disagree is in the concept of thinking there are politicians on either side that are actually interested in acting in either of our interests.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion but i cannot agree with much of it except the disdain for obama. Romney is so fundamentally different from obama its hard for me to see how he would have been as divisive and down right pro-government, anti-energy and anti-capitalist as obama has been. I disagree with you almost across the board because the basic philosophies of governance are so far apart between them there is absolutely no way, in my mind, Romney would be co-signing the state sponsored multiculturalism that obama embraces with his open border policy. I also believe Romney has a much more comprehensive understanding of what it takes bring back the economy and of geo-politics in general. No doubt in my mind this country would be in a much different, translation..much better place had Romney been elected but he wasn't.

[TheBlueVue 177]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

Or one could say that it's split between those who are critical of Obama, in some way, about everything he does, and those who do not assume Obama intends the destruction of all things American in everything he does. Considering that I despise both parties, I cannot be considered an Obama supporter or defender. However, I do get as annoyed with the incessant anti-Obama vitriol/rhetoric as I did the anti-Bush vitriol/rhetoric. I do not find it to be productive in any sense, but I do find it endemic of why we will consistently find ourselves in these positions as long as we buy the rhetoric and support Democrats or Republicans.

This is what it's come to...that if you don't jump in with both feet on every Obama-bash that gets going here, you're defending him. There's no middle ground whatsoever. You either trash him at every opportunity or you're an apologist.

He certainly provides an abundance of opportunities for those who prefer trashing him. Just saying.

And what does that say about the nature of those who prefer trashing him?

you think I take pleasure in what I say about Obama? It pains me because of what it means for our country. I have yet to see one thing out of him that even remotely suggests he is acting in the best interest of this nation. It was oh so predictable but so many got the fever and believed the hope and change stuff. He does not believe in the basic goodness of America. You don't set out to fundamentally transform something you think is working good. When you set out to do that it says you think it is flawed at the core.

What are the best interests of this nation, as she sits at present? I never believed the "hope and change stuff", as I was not and still am not an Obama supporter. If I'm anything, I'm a Libertarian. I also do not consider any of it to be peculiar to Obama, and in thinking that I do not expect it to be something that can be addressed by either party. Obama's and Bush's administrations have demonstrated quite clearly that our politicians have no connection with the concept of life for the American people. I do not blame either of them individually for that, and I instead find it to be endemic of the reality of life to be expected from the representation of either group. Both groups have figured out the obvious: that the American people are not interested in politics, and that as long as they can keep politics "boring", that will continue.

Energy independence, closed borders, tax reform and healthcare reform CAN be addressed in a way that promotes American business rather regulating it to death

[Strychnine 1,756]

This forum is really split between those who are critical of Obama and those who defend anything he does. Guess that's what makes the world go around.and the forum laughable.

Or one could say that it's split between those who are critical of Obama, in some way, about everything he does, and those who do not assume Obama intends the destruction of all things American in everything he does. Considering that I despise both parties, I cannot be considered an Obama supporter or defender. However, I do get as annoyed with the incessant anti-Obama vitriol/rhetoric as I did the anti-Bush vitriol/rhetoric. I do not find it to be productive in any sense, but I do find it endemic of why we will consistently find ourselves in these positions as long as we buy the rhetoric and support Democrats or Republicans.

This is what it's come to...that if you don't jump in with both feet on every Obama-bash that gets going here, you're defending him. There's no middle ground whatsoever. You either trash him at every opportunity or you're an apologist.

He certainly provides an abundance of opportunities for those who prefer trashing him. Just saying.

And what does that say about the nature of those who prefer trashing him?

Anything you want it to say. People have different perspectives. I haven't called you out for yours because its not my concern but I'll make no bones about it. I think the guy is doing a horrible job of preserving, protecting and defending the best interests of this country. You may disagree and if you do, that's your business and not my problem

You haven't called me out for mine because you have no grounds upon which to do so. I despise Obama in the same way that I would have despised Romney or McCain had they been in his place. In my opinion, all three would have likely done the same horrible job serving the American people, and that is where we actually disagree apparently. I do not buy their rhetoric, or their false conviction. I think they agree with one another far more than any of us agree with one another, and I think they're equally disinterested in representing us. I also think that you and I ultimately want the same thing: what is best for the actual people. Where I think we disagree is in the concept of thinking there are politicians on either side that are actually interested in acting in either of our interests.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion but i cannot agree with much of it except the disdain for obama. Romney is so fundamentally different from obama its hard for me to see how he would have been as divisive and down right pro-government, anti-energy and anti-capitalist as obama has been. I disagree with you almost across the board because the basic philosophies of governance are so far apart between them there is absolutely no way, in my mind, Romney would be co-signing the state sponsored multiculturalism that obama embraces with his open border policy. I also believe Romney has a much more comprehensive understanding of what it takes bring back the economy and of geo-politics in general. No doubt in my mind this country would be in a much different, translation..much better place had Romney been elected but he wasn't.

I would say the basic philosophies of governance were as equally far apart between Bush and Obama. I do not concern myself with what Republicans or Democrats say. I learned long ago to expect basically none of what any of them said to actually come to fruition. There is little difference for me between Bush as president for two terms or Obama for two terms. I saw little to distinguish itself before them either. The conclusion I have drawn from that is that neither party or their candidates deserve my respect or support. Candidates frequently talk of energy independence, closed borders, tax reform, and healthcare reform, but what do we see in observable results? None of those things are new problems. I remember their discussion in the 90's.

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

Blue...I agree....to no one's surprise. If those who get tired of the Obama bashing, why don't they post some positive things he does rather than offering little except criticizing other posters. Notice how a few of them here do nothing but make negative responses to those who start threads but rarely start a thread of their own.

I started two threads. One on students not pleased with the structure of their history curriculum cause they believe its trying to rewrite history, and one on church's participating in the hiding of illegal immigrants. Wanna take a bet on how many posts into it the reply is stupid libs and those churches do not house real Christians that speak for other Christians .