Illegals fail to show for hearings

[cooltigger21 0]

I'm totally shocked at this. Did we actually think these people, once released, would actually bother to show up for the deportation hearing? http://abcnews.go.co...report-25773136

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

OMG, I think I'm going to have to go lie down so I don't faint from shock.

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

Boss's probably didn't let them off work as they drive them from church to work and back.

[WarTim 3,192]

Work? Bwahahahaha

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

While I was kidding around.... if you wanna be serious.. yes work.

There’s no shortage of people he could give those jobs to. In Alabama, some 211,000 people are out of work. In rural Perry County, where Harvest Select is located, the unemployment rate is 18.2 percent, twice the national average. One of the big selling points of the immigration law was that it would free up jobs that Republican Governor Robert Bentley said immigrants had stolen from recession-battered Americans. Yet native Alabamians have not come running to fill these newly liberated positions. Many employers think the law is ludicrous and fought to stop it. Immigrants aren’t stealing anything from anyone, they say. Businesses turned to foreign labor only because they couldn’t find enough Americans to take the work they were offering.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/why-americans-wont-do-dirty-jobs-11092011.html

On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a tough law combating illegal immigration, which prompted undocumented workers to flee the state. Few locals will perform the grueling work of picking crops, and farmers stuck in a agricultural system built on illegal labor are struggling to find replacements before their produce rots.

http://mic.com/articles/8272/alabama-illegal-immigrant-crackdown-destroys-farm-business

Then we could go on about the pickle farms, the sweet potatoe farms, just a wide range of agriculture/landscape/construction work in this state alone that employers use illegal immigrants for because they are better workers and they are cheaper.

Then they do contribute:

According to the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), households headed by unauthorized immigrants collectively paid $130.3 million in state and local taxes in 2010. That included $25.8 million in personal income taxes, $5.8 million in property taxes, and $98.7 million in sales taxes.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/unauthorized-immigrants-pay-taxes-too

So maybe we should be complaining about why illegal immigrants are subsidizing the life-styles of Americans that won't do this work, cause apparently quite a few of them are tossing their wages into the welfare funds also via taxes.

[cooltigger21 0]

While I was kidding around.... if you wanna be serious.. yes work.

There’s no shortage of people he could give those jobs to. In Alabama, some 211,000 people are out of work. In rural Perry County, where Harvest Select is located, the unemployment rate is 18.2 percent, twice the national average. One of the big selling points of the immigration law was that it would free up jobs that Republican Governor Robert Bentley said immigrants had stolen from recession-battered Americans. Yet native Alabamians have not come running to fill these newly liberated positions. Many employers think the law is ludicrous and fought to stop it. Immigrants aren’t stealing anything from anyone, they say. Businesses turned to foreign labor only because they couldn’t find enough Americans to take the work they were offering.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/why-americans-wont-do-dirty-jobs-11092011.html

On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a tough law combating illegal immigration, which prompted undocumented workers to flee the state. Few locals will perform the grueling work of picking crops, and farmers stuck in a agricultural system built on illegal labor are struggling to find replacements before their produce rots.

http://mic.com/articles/8272/alabama-illegal-immigrant-crackdown-destroys-farm-business

Then we could go on about the pickle farms, the sweet potatoe farms, just a wide range of agriculture/landscape/construction work in this state alone that employers use illegal immigrants for because they are better workers and they are cheaper.

Then they do contribute:

According to the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), households headed by unauthorized immigrants collectively paid $130.3 million in state and local taxes in 2010. That included $25.8 million in personal income taxes, $5.8 million in property taxes, and $98.7 million in sales taxes.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/unauthorized-immigrants-pay-taxes-too

So maybe we should be complaining about why illegal immigrants are subsidizing the life-styles of Americans that won't do this work, cause apparently quite a few of them are tossing their wages into the welfare funds also via taxes.

well for one thing once you become accustomed to a government check it becomes easier to stay on that. It is easy. Getting up and going to work is not so easy. Turn that government spigot off and see how fast the jobs get filled. The safety net has become a hammock. Edited September 27, 2014 by cooltigger21

[Kassc22 0]

While I was kidding around.... if you wanna be serious.. yes work.

Then they do contribute:

According to the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), households headed by unauthorized immigrants collectively paid $130.3 million in state and local taxes in 2010. That included $25.8 million in personal income taxes, $5.8 million in property taxes, and $98.7 million in sales taxes.

http://www.immigrati...s-pay-taxes-too

So maybe we should be complaining about why illegal immigrants are subsidizing the life-styles of Americans that won't do this work, cause apparently quite a few of them are tossing their wages into the welfare funds also via taxes.

lol...Tsk Tsk..Tex I come back and plan to just quietly catch up, and recover from my radiation burns and darn you if you didn't hit on one of my pet peeves when it comes to stats!... That last article can't be completely relied on. I will give you sales tax, because they have to buy things...I'll even concede property taxes in part because its possible some could own property in their own names though they are here illegally, but income tax I can't buy. And the article concedes they have no facts to back that up. Oh, and all of those articles are out of date. Nothing newer than 2012

Methodology

These estimates are based on a model developed by the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP). The ITEP methodology relies on three pieces of data: 1) an estimate of each state’s unauthorized population; 2) the average family income for unauthorized immigrants; and 3) state-specific tax payments. Of course, it is difficult to know precisely how much these families pay in taxes, because the spending and income behavior of these families is not as well documented as is the case for U.S. citizens. But these estimates represent a sensible best approximation of the taxes these families likely pay.

Estimates of each state’s unauthorized population are from the Pew Hispanic Center and based on 2010 Census data. There were an estimated 11.2 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. as of 2010. Pew has also estimated the unauthorized population for each state. Pew has found that unauthorized immigrants are likely to be less educated than native-born U.S. citizens and legal immigrants, and they tend to work in low-wage jobs. Thus the average family income of the unauthorized population is lower than the average family income for U.S. citizens or legal immigrants. The average income of a household headed by an unauthorized immigrant is estimated to be $36,000; 10 percent of which goes towards remittances to family members in countries of origin.

ITEP maintains detailed tax information for each state, and models how tax structures affect different income groups in each state. ITEP has estimated the amount of sales, income, and property tax the average unauthorized family pays.

• Sales tax is automatic, so it is assumed that unauthorized residents would pay sales tax at similar rates to U.S. citizens and legal immigrants with similar income levels.
  
• Similar to sales tax, property taxes are hard to avoid, and unauthorized immigrants are assumed to pay the same property taxes as others with the same income level. ITEP assumes that most unauthorized immigrants are renters, and only calculates the taxes paid by renters.
  
• Income tax contributions by the unauthorized population are less comparable to other populations because many unauthorized immigrants work “off the books” and income taxes are not automatically withheld from their paychecks. ITEP conservatively estimates that 50 percent of unauthorized immigrants are paying income taxes.
  

Edited September 27, 2014 by Kassc22

[AUFAN78 3,495]

Glad to see you back and contributing Kassc.

[Kassc22 0]

Glad to see you back and contributing Kassc.

Thank you! Glad to be back..I missed all of you...even Homer

[cptau 124]

While I was kidding around.... if you wanna be serious.. yes work.

There’s no shortage of people he could give those jobs to. In Alabama, some 211,000 people are out of work. In rural Perry County, where Harvest Select is located, the unemployment rate is 18.2 percent, twice the national average. One of the big selling points of the immigration law was that it would free up jobs that Republican Governor Robert Bentley said immigrants had stolen from recession-battered Americans. Yet native Alabamians have not come running to fill these newly liberated positions. Many employers think the law is ludicrous and fought to stop it. Immigrants aren’t stealing anything from anyone, they say. Businesses turned to foreign labor only because they couldn’t find enough Americans to take the work they were offering.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/why-americans-wont-do-dirty-jobs-11092011.html

On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a tough law combating illegal immigration, which prompted undocumented workers to flee the state. Few locals will perform the grueling work of picking crops, and farmers stuck in a agricultural system built on illegal labor are struggling to find replacements before their produce rots.

http://mic.com/articles/8272/alabama-illegal-immigrant-crackdown-destroys-farm-business

Then we could go on about the pickle farms, the sweet potatoe farms, just a wide range of agriculture/landscape/construction work in this state alone that employers use illegal immigrants for because they are better workers and they are cheaper.

Then they do contribute:

According to the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), households headed by unauthorized immigrants collectively paid $130.3 million in state and local taxes in 2010. That included $25.8 million in personal income taxes, $5.8 million in property taxes, and $98.7 million in sales taxes.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/unauthorized-immigrants-pay-taxes-too

So maybe we should be complaining about why illegal immigrants are subsidizing the life-styles of Americans that won't do this work, cause apparently quite a few of them are tossing their wages into the welfare funds also via taxes.

well for one thing once you become accustomed to a government check it becomes easier to stay on that. It is easy. Getting up and going to work is not so easy. Turn that government spigot off and see how fast the jobs get filled. The safety net has become a hammock.

If they are working as day laborers, they pay no income taxes. If they do get a job where taxes are withheld for income and ss taxes, they are probably using a stolen SSN. Which can result in the real owner of the SSN having tax problems. Some do use ITINs obtained from the IRS for the purpose of reporting and paying taxes. The IRS does not report the illegal alien, they just want the tax money.

The e verify system needs to fixed and made mandatory for all payroll workers in all states. If an employer gets caught not using it, heavy fines. Unfortunately several states don't use it and California actually prohibits it's use in some cases.

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

While I was kidding around.... if you wanna be serious.. yes work.

Then they do contribute:

According to the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), households headed by unauthorized immigrants collectively paid $130.3 million in state and local taxes in 2010. That included $25.8 million in personal income taxes, $5.8 million in property taxes, and $98.7 million in sales taxes.

http://www.immigrati...s-pay-taxes-too

So maybe we should be complaining about why illegal immigrants are subsidizing the life-styles of Americans that won't do this work, cause apparently quite a few of them are tossing their wages into the welfare funds also via taxes.

lol...Tsk Tsk..Tex I come back and plan to just quietly catch up, and recover from my radiation burns and darn you if you didn't hit on one of my pet peeves when it comes to stats!... That last article can't be completely relied on. I will give you sales tax, because they have to buy things...I'll even concede property taxes in part because its possible some could own property in their own names though they are here illegally, but income tax I can't buy. And the article concedes they have no facts to back that up. Oh, and all of those articles are out of date. Nothing newer than 2012

Methodology

These estimates are based on a model developed by the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP). The ITEP methodology relies on three pieces of data: 1) an estimate of each state’s unauthorized population; 2) the average family income for unauthorized immigrants; and 3) state-specific tax payments. Of course, it is difficult to know precisely how much these families pay in taxes, because the spending and income behavior of these families is not as well documented as is the case for U.S. citizens. But these estimates represent a sensible best approximation of the taxes these families likely pay.

Estimates of each state’s unauthorized population are from the Pew Hispanic Center and based on 2010 Census data. There were an estimated 11.2 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. as of 2010. Pew has also estimated the unauthorized population for each state. Pew has found that unauthorized immigrants are likely to be less educated than native-born U.S. citizens and legal immigrants, and they tend to work in low-wage jobs. Thus the average family income of the unauthorized population is lower than the average family income for U.S. citizens or legal immigrants. The average income of a household headed by an unauthorized immigrant is estimated to be $36,000; 10 percent of which goes towards remittances to family members in countries of origin.

ITEP maintains detailed tax information for each state, and models how tax structures affect different income groups in each state. ITEP has estimated the amount of sales, income, and property tax the average unauthorized family pays.

• Sales tax is automatic, so it is assumed that unauthorized residents would pay sales tax at similar rates to U.S. citizens and legal immigrants with similar income levels.
  
• Similar to sales tax, property taxes are hard to avoid, and unauthorized immigrants are assumed to pay the same property taxes as others with the same income level. ITEP assumes that most unauthorized immigrants are renters, and only calculates the taxes paid by renters.
  
• Income tax contributions by the unauthorized population are less comparable to other populations because many unauthorized immigrants work “off the books” and income taxes are not automatically withheld from their paychecks. ITEP conservatively estimates that 50 percent of unauthorized immigrants are paying income taxes.
  

Glad you are well Kass.

And you know the game... lies, damned lies and statistics.

But you admit, they do work illegally and they do pay certain taxes. Which is means they do work and do subsidize the Americans that will not take these jobs and prefer to permanently live off the system. And here is your full methodology (2013 version):

http://www.itep.org/...mentedtaxes.pdf

But yes, no study like this will ever be exact. But they do address indirect payment through renters tax (which I can attest to as my rent went up this year thanks to tax's from the city of Auburn), and they do mention that they pay taxes with illegal social security numbers in some cases... which means they are still paying income tax.

So 2013, and from Fox, Fox Latino at that, even Fox getting in on profiting from the illegals:

Georgia and Alabama's agricultural areas are still heavily populated with foreign workers, many of whom don't have legal authorization to be here, two years after the states passed laws designed to drive away people living in the country illegally.

There are still concerns over enforcement and lingering fears among immigrants, but in many ways it appears that people have gone on with life much as it was before the laws were enacted.

Farmers say many of the foreign workers have returned because the laws are not heavily enforced and it once again seems safe to be here.

http://latino.foxnew...migration-laws/

You can go to 2013 and see more how Alabama's laws failed (good stuff, scaring business's cause of arresting executives from Mercedes Benz):

http://www.msnbc.com...gration-alabama

For 2014, I like Ole Mo Brooks (according to others you aren't even doing the deporting and enforcing in the agriuculture section of your own state Mo):

“There are 8 million jobs in America now held by illegal aliens, that’s 8 million job opportunities taken from American citizens,” said Brooks. When Hayes asked the congressman if he “would like to see those 8 million deported,” Brooks answered, “Yeah, if that’s what’s necessary to protect American jobs. Absolutely.”

http://www.huffingto..._n_5644005.html

Then this 2013 article says that 11.7 illegals are here.

http://www.nytimes.c...mates-show.html

So I'm confused now, if there are 11.7 million, and according to Alabama rep Mo Brooks they hold 8 million jobs... then 68% of illegals in this country are working. But people here said they are not working. Cause I joked and said... they are at work, and then I was replied to with the scientific and strongly supported statement of "working! BWAHAHAHAH. Are you telling me that Mo, one of our great elected Republican Representatives of the State of Alabama, Mo that graduated high school right here in Alabama from Grissom High. Mo, who's very own mother and father still reside in Madison Alabama, Mo, who recieved a law degree from the University of Alabama to benefit the citizens of this great state,Mo that has had multiple guest appearances on Fox News including pieces about the "war on whites", you telling me that Mo has lied to us about 8 million illegals actually working.

And from 2014, Alabama is still paying off lawsuits related to those laws about those 2012 articles. Over half a million...we could of bought more songs to stick on signs with that!

MONTGOMERY, Ala. – Alabama has agreed to pay $230,000 in legal bills incurred by civil rights groups that sued the state over a provision of its anti-immigrant law that threatened to push people out of their homes. The agreement announced yesterday means that the state has now agreed to pay $580,000 to cover plaintiffs’ legal fees and costs in two successful challenges to Alabama’s anti-immigrant law known as HB 56.

https://www.aclu.org...-immigrant-laws

And from one day ago... appears we are going to start using them for the military (probably cause like agriculture jobs, most Americans are too out of shape/unhealthy to meet the guidelines haha).

http://www.militaryt...illegally-serve

Edited September 27, 2014 by Texan4Auburn

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

While I was kidding around.... if you wanna be serious.. yes work.

There’s no shortage of people he could give those jobs to. In Alabama, some 211,000 people are out of work. In rural Perry County, where Harvest Select is located, the unemployment rate is 18.2 percent, twice the national average. One of the big selling points of the immigration law was that it would free up jobs that Republican Governor Robert Bentley said immigrants had stolen from recession-battered Americans. Yet native Alabamians have not come running to fill these newly liberated positions. Many employers think the law is ludicrous and fought to stop it. Immigrants aren’t stealing anything from anyone, they say. Businesses turned to foreign labor only because they couldn’t find enough Americans to take the work they were offering.

http://www.businessw...s-11092011.html

On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a tough law combating illegal immigration, which prompted undocumented workers to flee the state. Few locals will perform the grueling work of picking crops, and farmers stuck in a agricultural system built on illegal labor are struggling to find replacements before their produce rots.

http://mic.com/artic...s-farm-business

Then we could go on about the pickle farms, the sweet potatoe farms, just a wide range of agriculture/landscape/construction work in this state alone that employers use illegal immigrants for because they are better workers and they are cheaper.

Then they do contribute:

According to the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), households headed by unauthorized immigrants collectively paid $130.3 million in state and local taxes in 2010. That included $25.8 million in personal income taxes, $5.8 million in property taxes, and $98.7 million in sales taxes.

http://www.immigrati...s-pay-taxes-too

So maybe we should be complaining about why illegal immigrants are subsidizing the life-styles of Americans that won't do this work, cause apparently quite a few of them are tossing their wages into the welfare funds also via taxes.

well for one thing once you become accustomed to a government check it becomes easier to stay on that. It is easy. Getting up and going to work is not so easy. Turn that government spigot off and see how fast the jobs get filled. The safety net has become a hammock.

If they are working as day laborers, they pay no income taxes. If they do get a job where taxes are withheld for income and ss taxes, they are probably using a stolen SSN. Which can result in the real owner of the SSN having tax problems. Some do use ITINs obtained from the IRS for the purpose of reporting and paying taxes. The IRS does not report the illegal alien, they just want the tax money.

The e verify system needs to fixed and made mandatory for all payroll workers in all states. If an employer gets caught not using it, heavy fines. Unfortunately several states don't use it and California actually prohibits it's use in some cases.

One of the articles mentions that Alabama has a large proportion of employers that purposely ignore the e verify.

[homersapien 9,736]

Would someone working as a day laborer or some other menial job be paying income taxes anyway?

Edited September 27, 2014 by homersapien

[TheBlueVue 177]

Would someone working as a day laborer or some other menial job be paying income taxes anyway?

Its highly doubtful. They would probably be treated like contract laborers and not even subject to income being withheld to pay the federal depository on them

[Kassc22 0]

Would someone working as a day laborer or some other menial job be paying income taxes anyway?

Its highly doubtful. They would probably be treated like contract laborers and not even subject to income being withheld to pay the federal depository on them

They are liable if they have a profit over 400 dollars according to the IRS. Most likely they are not going to file it anyway, first they probably have no idea of the tax code, and even if they did I doubt they would want to draw attention to themselves if they were illegal. Second, if they are flying under the radar of the IRS by being paid under the table I can't see them voluntarily giving up money the gov can't prove they made.

[homersapien 9,736]

Profit?

[Kassc22 0]

Profit?

Yes, they aren't on the books. Most likely they are classified as independent contractors. Although in Alabama if companies are following the law they are even checking out contractors or companies that they buy supplies from. I know I had to check all of my book and supply vendors not long ago. If they hire illegals you cannot use them.

[homersapien 9,736]

I'm confused. It sounds like you may be referring to withholding taxes. I was referring to someone at that income level being subject to taxes.

[Kassc22 0]

I'm confused. It sounds like you may be referring to withholding taxes. I was referring to someone at that income level being subject to taxes.

No, not witholding :

Who is Self-Employed?

Generally, you are self-employed if any of the following apply to you.

You carry on a trade or business as a sole proprietor or an independent contractor.

You are a member of a partnership that carries on a trade or business.

You are otherwise in business for yourself (including a part-time business)

What are My Self-Employed Tax Obligations?

As a self-employed individual, generally you are required to file an annual return and pay estimated tax quarterly.

Self-employed individuals generally must pay self-employment tax (SE tax) as well as income tax. SE tax is a Social Security and Medicare tax primarily for individuals who work for themselves. It is similar to the Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners. In general, anytime the wording "self-employment tax" is used, it only refers to Social Security and Medicare taxes and not any other tax (like income tax).

Before you can determine if you are subject to self-employment tax and income tax, you must figure your net profit or net loss from your business. You do this by subtracting your business expenses from your business income. If your expenses are less than your income, the difference is net profit and becomes part of your income on page 1 of Form 1040. If your expenses are more than your income, the difference is a net loss. You usually can deduct your loss from gross income on page 1 of Form 1040. But in some situations your loss is limited. See Pub. 334, Tax Guide for Small Business (For Individuals Who Use Schedule C or C-EZ) for more information.

You have to file an income tax return if your net earnings from self-employment were $400 or more. If your net earnings from self-employment were less than $400, you still have to file an income tax return if you meet any other filing requirement listed in the Form 1040 instructions (PDF).

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

Would someone working as a day laborer or some other menial job be paying income taxes anyway?

Employers will encourage them to get the ITINS sometimes, though mostly they will look for the ones with fake or stolen SSN's and then taxes will be taken out of their checks. While majority of the employers do not fear consequences for hiring illegals, there are many that do fear tax consequences. As mentioned IRS doesn't care about legal status. There are also the ones that are actively trying to become US citizens in the future, and from what I have read that paying taxes prior to is a beneficial things in trying to obtain citizenship.

Mean, these employers don't care how little their take home is. Fact I suspect some enjoy the fact and even sleep better at night knowing that not only are they getting cheap labor, but they are sticking it to them also by insuring they pay taxes.

I will use some quotes from Economic Reports of 2005, since that would be Bush and a Republican President (so conservative slanted). These don't want to cut n past nicely so anyway:

"Between one half and three quarters of undocumented immigrants paid federal/state income, social security, medicare."

"In Texas they produced 1.58 billion in revenue, while only costing 1.16 billion in services." That came from a state budget report out of Austin, Texas. Again a conservative state with conservative government.

Both cited in this:

http://www.americani... 11-29-07_0.pdf

I would suspect the trends for the most part still continue.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Texan4Auburn

[homersapien 9,736]

I'm confused. It sounds like you may be referring to withholding taxes. I was referring to someone at that income level being subject to taxes.

No, not witholding :

Who is Self-Employed?

Generally, you are self-employed if any of the following apply to you.

You carry on a trade or business as a sole proprietor or an independent contractor.

You are a member of a partnership that carries on a trade or business.

You are otherwise in business for yourself (including a part-time business)

What are My Self-Employed Tax Obligations?

As a self-employed individual, generally you are required to file an annual return and pay estimated tax quarterly.

Self-employed individuals generally must pay self-employment tax (SE tax) as well as income tax. SE tax is a Social Security and Medicare tax primarily for individuals who work for themselves. It is similar to the Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners. In general, anytime the wording "self-employment tax" is used, it only refers to Social Security and Medicare taxes and not any other tax (like income tax).

Before you can determine if you are subject to self-employment tax and income tax, you must figure your net profit or net loss from your business. You do this by subtracting your business expenses from your business income. If your expenses are less than your income, the difference is net profit and becomes part of your income on page 1 of Form 1040. If your expenses are more than your income, the difference is a net loss. You usually can deduct your loss from gross income on page 1 of Form 1040. But in some situations your loss is limited. See Pub. 334, Tax Guide for Small Business (For Individuals Who Use Schedule C or C-EZ) for more information.

You have to file an income tax return if your net earnings from self-employment were $400 or more. If your net earnings from self-employment were less than $400, you still have to file an income tax return if you meet any other filing requirement listed in the Form 1040 instructions (PDF).

OK. I didn't know that.

[autigeremt 5,665]

Fix the system and follow the law. It's pretty simple as that.

[Kassc22 0]

I'm confused. It sounds like you may be referring to withholding taxes. I was referring to someone at that income level being subject to taxes.

No, not witholding :

Who is Self-Employed?

Generally, you are self-employed if any of the following apply to you.

You carry on a trade or business as a sole proprietor or an independent contractor.

You are a member of a partnership that carries on a trade or business.

You are otherwise in business for yourself (including a part-time business)

What are My Self-Employed Tax Obligations?

As a self-employed individual, generally you are required to file an annual return and pay estimated tax quarterly.

Self-employed individuals generally must pay self-employment tax (SE tax) as well as income tax. SE tax is a Social Security and Medicare tax primarily for individuals who work for themselves. It is similar to the Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners. In general, anytime the wording "self-employment tax" is used, it only refers to Social Security and Medicare taxes and not any other tax (like income tax).

Before you can determine if you are subject to self-employment tax and income tax, you must figure your net profit or net loss from your business. You do this by subtracting your business expenses from your business income. If your expenses are less than your income, the difference is net profit and becomes part of your income on page 1 of Form 1040. If your expenses are more than your income, the difference is a net loss. You usually can deduct your loss from gross income on page 1 of Form 1040. But in some situations your loss is limited. See Pub. 334, Tax Guide for Small Business (For Individuals Who Use Schedule C or C-EZ) for more information.

You have to file an income tax return if your net earnings from self-employment were $400 or more. If your net earnings from self-employment were less than $400, you still have to file an income tax return if you meet any other filing requirement listed in the Form 1040 instructions (PDF).

OK. I didn't know that.

Most people don't. The only reason I did is because my Aunt used to paint for Miss Martha's Originals when I was little. I remember her talking about having to file after she made so much money because she was considered an independent contractor.

[cooltigger21 0]

I'm confused. It sounds like you may be referring to withholding taxes. I was referring to someone at that income level being subject to taxes.

No, not witholding :

Who is Self-Employed?

Generally, you are self-employed if any of the following apply to you.

You carry on a trade or business as a sole proprietor or an independent contractor.

You are a member of a partnership that carries on a trade or business.

You are otherwise in business for yourself (including a part-time business)

What are My Self-Employed Tax Obligations?

As a self-employed individual, generally you are required to file an annual return and pay estimated tax quarterly.

Self-employed individuals generally must pay self-employment tax (SE tax) as well as income tax. SE tax is a Social Security and Medicare tax primarily for individuals who work for themselves. It is similar to the Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners. In general, anytime the wording "self-employment tax" is used, it only refers to Social Security and Medicare taxes and not any other tax (like income tax).

Before you can determine if you are subject to self-employment tax and income tax, you must figure your net profit or net loss from your business. You do this by subtracting your business expenses from your business income. If your expenses are less than your income, the difference is net profit and becomes part of your income on page 1 of Form 1040. If your expenses are more than your income, the difference is a net loss. You usually can deduct your loss from gross income on page 1 of Form 1040. But in some situations your loss is limited. See Pub. 334, Tax Guide for Small Business (For Individuals Who Use Schedule C or C-EZ) for more information.

You have to file an income tax return if your net earnings from self-employment were $400 or more. If your net earnings from self-employment were less than $400, you still have to file an income tax return if you meet any other filing requirement listed in the Form 1040 instructions (PDF).

OK. I didn't know that.

Most people don't. The only reason I did is because my Aunt used to paint for Miss Martha's Originals when I was little. I remember her talking about having to file after she made so much money because she was considered an independent contractor.

I bet a good portion of IRS agents don't know that. I didn't but I have never bee in that position.