tigerphan 0 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 From my vantage point in the upper deck, I couldn't see the play live very well. But it sure seemed like we should have had a safety after the fumble at the goal line. Even the replay looked like the aTm player never got the ball completely across the goal line coming out of the end zone (just like against Oregon in the NC game). Anyone else see it on TV to comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUeng 8 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 From my vantage point in the upper deck, I couldn't see the play live very well. But it sure seemed like we should have had a safety after the fumble at the goal line. Even the replay looked like the aTm player never got the ball completely across the goal line coming out of the end zone (just like against Oregon in the NC game). Anyone else see it on TV to comment? I saw it on TV and it looked like he barely made it out on his second effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyeCampAlum 335 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Live, it looked like he got out. On replay it looked real close. I didn't want a safety right then. I wanted the good field position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaolgatiger 459 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 The official on top of the play didn't call it either way. The official on the sideline 25 yards away made the call. Not sure if he made it out(was at the game and it looked as if he didn't) but, it seems to me that the official with the best view should have made the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEagle24 56 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 It looked like he extended the ball out a bit on his 2nd effort. I don't think it was a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eibua12 81 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 No cameras on the goal-line impossible to tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUeng 8 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) No cameras on the goal-line impossible to tell There was a pretty good camera shot from directly above the goal line, but I think that the ball was spotted so close to the goal line that video evidence could never have been used to overturn the call on the field. Edited November 9, 2014 by AUeng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weagl1 1,642 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I don't think we really wanted a safety at that point. We got much better field position by making them punt from the back of the end zone under pressure than we would have gotten from a free kick from the 20. In fact, I thought they might take an intentional safety when they lined up to punt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerlySec38Row34 56 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Safety would have made it a 1 point game, thus letting a field goal win it. With the punt, a field goal only sends it into overtime, so no, they didn't want a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift 333 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 From my vantage point in the upper deck, I couldn't see the play live very well. But it sure seemed like we should have had a safety after the fumble at the goal line. Even the replay looked like the aTm player never got the ball completely across the goal line coming out of the end zone (just like against Oregon in the NC game). Anyone else see it on TV to comment? I saw it on TV and it looked like he barely made it out on his second effort. It looked like he extended the ball out a bit on his 2nd effort. I don't think it was a safety. ^^This^^ It was not a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aucanucktiger 1,526 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I haven't seen this asked anywhere so I'll do so here. When the Dismukes snap snafu happened Nick was walking up from shotgun to be heard checking off at the line because the crowd was so loud. On offense. At home. Please don't go with the "loud aTm crowd" they weren't. Screaming up a storm before our snap when we had the ball. Sorry Reese, not all AU fans are that clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerphan 0 Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Re getting it all the way out of the EZ, I think you're mistaken. If you go back to the NC game against Oregon, we got a safety because the ball carrier was tackled in the EZ, he stretched out and got the ball planted half in and half out, squarely on the goal line. Safety. Coming out of the EZ, I believe you have to get the ball all the way past the goal line, not just break the plane. Regardless I'll defer to those who said it wasn't a safety. I was on the opposite end of the field and couldn't see that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubfaninga 16 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Re getting it all the way out of the EZ, I think you're mistaken. If you go back to the NC game against Oregon, we got a safety because the ball carrier was tackled in the EZ, he stretched out and got the ball planted half in and half out, squarely on the goal line. Safety. Coming out of the EZ, I believe you have to get the ball all the way past the goal line, not just break the plane. Regardless I'll defer to those who said it wasn't a safety. I was on the opposite end of the field and couldn't see that well. Entire ball must come out of endzone.With that being said there was not enough evidence to overturn the call on the field. Logic says we did not want the safety but hindsight says I would have took it knowing the ending. We started the last drive on the A&M 42. I wonder what is the average starting position after a safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtftiger 40 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Of course, you have to get the entire ball out of the EZ to avoid a safety. How would an official spot a ball that is touching the goal line? They can't. If it is to be spotted touching the goal line, it is a safety. And, I would have liked a safety there. Much different feel managing a clock for a winning FG try. Also, if I'm not mistaken, it would have saved about 30 seconds of game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTiger 3,581 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 He didn't have to get the ball all the way out. All he had to do is break the plane with the nose of the ball to be out of the EZ the same as going into the EZ. Making them punt gave us better field position anyway. That's not true. In order for it to NOT be a safety the ENTIRE ball has to be out of the endzone. If you think about it, it will make sense. Going in if the ball touches the front edge of the goal line, its a touchdown, so how could it be anything other than a safety if the entire ball doesn't come out of the endzone? From the case book: A10, after receiving the snap in his own end zone, is downed with the ball resting on his goal line, its forward point being in the field of play. RULING: Safety. A part of the dead ball is on the ball carrier’s goal line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMan70 3,067 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) He didn't have to get the ball all the way out. All he had to do is break the plane with the nose of the ball to be out of the EZ the same as going into the EZ. Making them punt gave us better field position anyway. That's not true. In order for it to NOT be a safety the ENTIRE ball has to be out of the endzone. If you think about it, it will make sense. Going in if the ball touches the front edge of the goal line, its a touchdown, so how could it be anything other than a safety if the entire ball doesn't come out of the endzone? From the case book: A10, after receiving the snap in his own end zone, is downed with the ball resting on his goal line, its forward point being in the field of play. RULING: Safety. A part of the dead ball is on the ball carrier’s goal line. Yes, I did see that in the rule book. Just goes to show, I had repeated what an announcer was discussing at the time of the play about the plane of the endzone. Without putting much thought into it because of the heat of that moment, it kind of made sense at the time that he meant it would be like the ball on a first down or on a TD.Anyway, I was looking in other sections of the rule book to further define their terms on end zone, plane and ball position to provide further clarification when you made your post, I have deleted mine to not cause any confusion. So without spending more time doing any more research to see if they have further rulings or interpretations, it appears that ruling is definitive. Edited November 10, 2014 by IronMan70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoALtiger 3,484 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Pretty sure the entire ball didn't make it out, at least that's how it looked on the replay they were showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macauburn 6 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 saban to malzahn, watch out for those runbacks after a missed field goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bg5 526 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It was better for us to not get the safety. We would still have been down by one and the way their punter was kicking, it would have been a long drive to get in FG position. We just made to many mistakes to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 14,593 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It was better for us to not get the safety. We would still have been down by one and the way their punter was kicking, it would have been a long drive to get in FG position. We just made to many mistakes to win. Correct. With the safety, he gets a free kick from the 20. Instead he got a pressure kick from the back of the end zone. We picked up a minimum of 30 yards on that call. The "not a safety" was in our favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3csub 0 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I can not start a new post so I have to ask my question here I guess. On the last fumble the offense was never set. Marshall was walking forward while one of the receivers was walking towards Marshall to hear the call and the linemen were not set. Isn't that normally a dead ball foul on the offense when the ball is snapped while multiple people are in motion or moving, etc? Just Curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUY2K 162 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 To me it looked like his knee went down 1st in the endzone and then he extended the ball, but in the end it didnt matter due to the fact that our center screwed up later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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