TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 I know all you kool-aid drinkers refuse to believe Sharyl Attkison's story. Here's an interesting angle. Judicial Watch reports that the Obama administration has turned over about 42,000 pages of documents related to the Fast and Furious scandal. The administration was forced to turn the documents over to Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. Judicial Watch is posting them on its web site. The administration turned them over on November 18, 2014. One of the documents provides smoking gun proof that the Obama White House and the Eric Holder Justice Department colluded to get CBS News to block reporter Sharyl Attkisson. Attkisson was one of the few mainstream media reporters who paid any attention to the deadly gun-running scandal. In an email dated October 4, 2011, Attorney General Holder’s top press aide, Tracy Schmaler, called Attkisson “out of control.” Schmaler told White House Deputy Press Secretary Eric Schultz that he intended to call CBS news anchor Bob Schieffer to get the network to stop Attkisson. Schultz replied, “Good. Her piece was really bad for the AG.” Schultz also told Schmaler that he was working with reporter Susan Davis, then at the National Journal, to target Rep. Darrel Issa (R-CA). Issa led the House investigation into Fast and Furious. Davis now works at USA Today. In the email chain, Schultz tells Schmaler that he would provide Davis with “leaks.” Now, I am fully aware there is little, if anything, this admin could do that the kool-aid crowd in here could possibly find fault with but I swear, it seems there is a story a day about the corruption of this admin making it look extremely 3rd world-ish. http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/20/bombshell-email-proves-that-white-house-doj-targeted-reporter-sharyl-attkisson/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 340 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Without a doubt....but it's the SNL version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) The fact that you can pose such a question on a public forum and not fear secret police or governmental retribution for doing so is pretty good evidence that we are not living in a fascist state! Not to mention the fact that the administration bowed to the law and released the papers as required, rather than hide/destroy the papers, close the website, or arrest its owners. (But no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either.) Edited November 23, 2014 by quietfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 The fact that you can pose such a question on a public forum and not fear secret police or governmental retribution for doing so is pretty good evidence that we are not living in a fascist state! Not to mention the fact that the administration bowed to the law and released the papers as required, rather than hide/destroy the papers, close the website, or arrest its owners. (But no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either.) yeah, the thread title did lean on hyperbole but the admin only released the documents after a lengthy FOIA law suit. Its not like they were in any way complicit. They stone walled until they had no other recourse and what the did release was heavily redacted. All this coming from a guy who promised the most transparent admin in history. Trying to silence the media isn't exactly what I expected from these folks but it has become clear they believe lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The fact that you can pose such a question on a public forum and not fear secret police or governmental retribution for doing so is pretty good evidence that we are not living in a fascist state! Not to mention the fact that the administration bowed to the law and released the papers as required, rather than hide/destroy the papers, close the website, or arrest its owners. (But no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either.) yeah, the thread title did lean on hyperbole but the admin only released the documents after a lengthy FOIA law suit. Its not like they were in any way complicit. They stone walled until they had no other recourse and what the did release was heavily redacted. All this coming from a guy who promised the most transparent admin in history. Trying to silence the media isn't exactly what I expected from these folks but it has become clear they believe lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. Fair enough, then, on the hyperbole. As for the other: "...no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either." You're entitled to your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) The fact that you can pose such a question on a public forum and not fear secret police or governmental retribution for doing so is pretty good evidence that we are not living in a fascist state! Not to mention the fact that the administration bowed to the law and released the papers as required, rather than hide/destroy the papers, close the website, or arrest its owners. (But no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either.) yeah, the thread title did lean on hyperbole but the admin only released the documents after a lengthy FOIA law suit. Its not like they were in any way complicit. They stone walled until they had no other recourse and what the did release was heavily redacted. All this coming from a guy who promised the most transparent admin in history. Trying to silence the media isn't exactly what I expected from these folks but it has become clear they believe lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. Fair enough, then, on the hyperbole. As for the other: "...no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either." You're entitled to your opinion. Im an old timer and this is the first time in my life it was made public that a WH was aggressively trying to silence a reporter. Thar is not hyperbole and it is a fascist trait Edited November 23, 2014 by TheBlueVue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 9,717 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The fact that you can pose such a question on a public forum and not fear secret police or governmental retribution for doing so is pretty good evidence that we are not living in a fascist state! Not to mention the fact that the administration bowed to the law and released the papers as required, rather than hide/destroy the papers, close the website, or arrest its owners. (But no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either.) yeah, the thread title did lean on hyperbole but the admin only released the documents after a lengthy FOIA law suit. Its not like they were in any way complicit. They stone walled until they had no other recourse and what the did release was heavily redacted. All this coming from a guy who promised the most transparent admin in history. Trying to silence the media isn't exactly what I expected from these folks but it has become clear they believe lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. Fair enough, then, on the hyperbole. As for the other: "...no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either." You're entitled to your opinion. Im an old timer and this is the first time in my life it was made public that a WH was aggressively trying to silence a reporter. Thar is not hyperbole and it is a fascist trait Never heard of Daniel Ellsberg "old timer"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The people of Germany, Italy, etc., weren't concerned they had a fascist gov't until it was too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 3,290 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 When did socialism end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 When did socialism end? When the EPA and the Dept of Interior had their swat teams raid a rancher in Nevada and steal his cows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 8,906 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The fact that you can pose such a question on a public forum and not fear secret police or governmental retribution for doing so is pretty good evidence that we are not living in a fascist state! Not to mention the fact that the administration bowed to the law and released the papers as required, rather than hide/destroy the papers, close the website, or arrest its owners. (But no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either.) yeah, the thread title did lean on hyperbole but the admin only released the documents after a lengthy FOIA law suit. Its not like they were in any way complicit. They stone walled until they had no other recourse and what the did release was heavily redacted. All this coming from a guy who promised the most transparent admin in history. Trying to silence the media isn't exactly what I expected from these folks but it has become clear they believe lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. Fascist states have " other recourse" than complying with a court order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 3,290 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 When did socialism end? When the EPA and the Dept of Interior had their swat teams raid a rancher in Nevada and steal his cows. I am not a Clyde Bundy fan but, I absolutely support the idea that the government used unreasonable and extreme force against a single citizen without proper cause or purpose. However, "steal his cows" is typical of your situational, BS tactics. No one is "stealing your cows" when you refuse to contain them on your own property. Seizing his stray cattle was not the problem. Encircling his property with a small army was the problem. Pushing for a violent confrontation with one of our own citizens is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 The fact that you can pose such a question on a public forum and not fear secret police or governmental retribution for doing so is pretty good evidence that we are not living in a fascist state! Not to mention the fact that the administration bowed to the law and released the papers as required, rather than hide/destroy the papers, close the website, or arrest its owners. (But no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either.) yeah, the thread title did lean on hyperbole but the admin only released the documents after a lengthy FOIA law suit. Its not like they were in any way complicit. They stone walled until they had no other recourse and what the did release was heavily redacted. All this coming from a guy who promised the most transparent admin in history. Trying to silence the media isn't exactly what I expected from these folks but it has become clear they believe lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. Fascist states have " other recourse" than complying with a court order. The fact that you can pose such a question on a public forum and not fear secret police or governmental retribution for doing so is pretty good evidence that we are not living in a fascist state! Not to mention the fact that the administration bowed to the law and released the papers as required, rather than hide/destroy the papers, close the website, or arrest its owners. (But no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either.) yeah, the thread title did lean on hyperbole but the admin only released the documents after a lengthy FOIA law suit. Its not like they were in any way complicit. They stone walled until they had no other recourse and what the did release was heavily redacted. All this coming from a guy who promised the most transparent admin in history. Trying to silence the media isn't exactly what I expected from these folks but it has become clear they believe lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. Fascist states have " other recourse" than complying with a court order. So the courts are not part of the state now/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) When did socialism end? When the EPA and the Dept of Interior had their swat teams raid a rancher in Nevada and steal his cows. I am not a Clyde Bundy fan but, I absolutely support the idea that the government used unreasonable and extreme force against a single citizen without proper cause or purpose. However, "steal his cows" is typical of your situational, BS tactics. No one is "stealing your cows" when you refuse to contain them on your own property. Seizing his stray cattle was not the problem. Encircling his property with a small army was the problem. Pushing for a violent confrontation with one of our own citizens is the problem. So you deny they initially started stealing the mans cows?The cows are HIS property and they were there primarily to round up all his cows. The confrontation began when concerned citizens, the govt had not figured would respond, showed up in huge numbers to protest this abuse of govt power Edited November 23, 2014 by TheBlueVue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 8,906 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 When did socialism end? When the EPA and the Dept of Interior had their swat teams raid a rancher in Nevada and steal his cows. I am not a Clyde Bundy fan but, I absolutely support the idea that the government used unreasonable and extreme force against a single citizen without proper cause or purpose. However, "steal his cows" is typical of your situational, BS tactics. No one is "stealing your cows" when you refuse to contain them on your own property. Seizing his stray cattle was not the problem. Encircling his property with a small army was the problem. Pushing for a violent confrontation with one of our own citizens is the problem. So you deny they initially started stealing the mans cows?The cows are HIS property and they were there primarily to round up all his cows. The confrontation began when concerned citizens, the govt had not figured would respond, showed up in huge numbers to protest this abuse of govt power The modern Republican Party exults deadbeats as heroes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) When did socialism end? When the EPA and the Dept of Interior had their swat teams raid a rancher in Nevada and steal his cows. I am not a Clyde Bundy fan but, I absolutely support the idea that the government used unreasonable and extreme force against a single citizen without proper cause or purpose. However, "steal his cows" is typical of your situational, BS tactics. No one is "stealing your cows" when you refuse to contain them on your own property. Seizing his stray cattle was not the problem. Encircling his property with a small army was the problem. Pushing for a violent confrontation with one of our own citizens is the problem. So you deny they initially started stealing the mans cows?The cows are HIS property and they were there primarily to round up all his cows. The confrontation began when concerned citizens, the govt had not figured would respond, showed up in huge numbers to protest this abuse of govt power The modern Republican Party exults deadbeats as heroes . rage on liberal soldier playing your moral equivalency games ad nausem. Its ALL you got. While idiots on the left like Fauxcahontas exult the Occupy Wall Streeters who defecate on police cars and actually try to affect policy based on their dissent. Edited November 23, 2014 by TheBlueVue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 239 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The fact that you can pose such a question on a public forum and not fear secret police or governmental retribution for doing so is pretty good evidence that we are not living in a fascist state! Not to mention the fact that the administration bowed to the law and released the papers as required, rather than hide/destroy the papers, close the website, or arrest its owners. (But no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either.) We are living in a Fascist State at present. When was the last time our so-called, representative government passed a law(s) that benefited the people over the corporations/banks/government contractors/billionaires/etc? Good luck finding it because they haven't. The last act to benefit us would have been executive order 11110. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1vmd93_america-s-book-of-secrets-s03e07-the-billionaire-agenda_news http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Fascism: 'a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government' Answer, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 3,290 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The fact that you can pose such a question on a public forum and not fear secret police or governmental retribution for doing so is pretty good evidence that we are not living in a fascist state! Not to mention the fact that the administration bowed to the law and released the papers as required, rather than hide/destroy the papers, close the website, or arrest its owners. (But no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either.) We are living in a Fascist State at present. When was the last time our so-called, representative government passed a law(s) that benefited the people over the corporations/banks/government contractors/billionaires/etc? Good luck finding it because they haven't. The last act to benefit us would have been executive order 11110. http://www.dailymoti...ire-agenda_news http://www.john-f-ke...eorder11110.htm I'm not sure it fits the textbook definition but, in reality, I would say this is pretty close. So, which side of the political argument are the real "fascists" on, the left or the right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 The fact that you can pose such a question on a public forum and not fear secret police or governmental retribution for doing so is pretty good evidence that we are not living in a fascist state! Not to mention the fact that the administration bowed to the law and released the papers as required, rather than hide/destroy the papers, close the website, or arrest its owners. (But no one is claiming we live in a perfect state with a perfect administration, either.) We are living in a Fascist State at present. When was the last time our so-called, representative government passed a law(s) that benefited the people over the corporations/banks/government contractors/billionaires/etc? Good luck finding it because they haven't. The last act to benefit us would have been executive order 11110. http://www.dailymoti...ire-agenda_news http://www.john-f-ke...eorder11110.htm I'm not sure it fits the textbook definition but, in reality, I would say this is pretty close. So, which side of the political argument are the real "fascists" on, the left or the right? Good question. Which party is the quickest to resort to the use of brute political power to enforce its will on the people? I think we both know the answer to that. We once lived in a capitalistic society but now anything that benefits capitalism is viewed as evil. Like I stated in an earlier post, if businesses worked together in the fashion that you seemingly expect of politicians you'd be the first to start screaming collusion. Having opposition presents a barrier to tyranny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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