Weegle777 78 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 As we have seen many times here,when someone is losing an argument, they will launch into a crazy tangent on how what you have said is some sort of "fallacy". Here is the guideline: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/rhetological-fallacies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,113 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 As we have seen many times here,when someone is losing an argument, they will launch into a crazy tangent on how what you have said is some sort of "fallacy". Here is the guideline: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/rhetological-fallacies/ I've never seen anyone launch any sort of tangent on fallacies. Lot of people are guilty of them here, though. I guess logic goes by the wayside the longer you stay here. Got any examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,459 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 As we have seen many times here,when someone is losing an argument, they will launch into a crazy tangent on how what you have said is some sort of "fallacy". Here is the guideline: http://www.informati...ical-fallacies/ I'm with Bigbens here. I've seen people employ logical fallacies and act as if that suffices as a response. I don't recall people who point out that that's what someone is doing is the one running off on a tangent though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 Just a guideline as to how they are employed, nothing more. Just wanted everyone to be on even ground and to be able to point them out when they see them. Tangent may have been a poor choice of words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The appeal to ridicule is very popular with the "smarter" element in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,462 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The appeal to ridicule is very popular with the "smarter" element in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,113 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The appeal to ridicule is very popular with the "smarter" element in this forum. Not a fallacy if responding to something that is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,559 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Smart is to intelligence as intelligence is to smart ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 The thing about the "fallacy" argument, is that one can be used in any argument to supposedly "prove" a position. If you read that graphic, there is a "fallacy" for every possible argument one can make. And if one doesn't apply, heck just make one up! My argument above I will call: "The fallacy of global argument explanation." It is used when someone tries to argue that a fallacy is always explained away with the use of a fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,113 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The thing about the "fallacy" argument, is that one can be used in any argument to supposedly "prove" a position. If you read that graphic, there is a "fallacy" for every possible argument one can make. And if one doesn't apply, heck just make one up! Wrong wrong wrong. A logical fallacy is a fundamental error in logic. Fallacious thinking generally results in arguments that are not logically consistent. They are not used to prove, or even technically disprove, a position, either. Nobody "just makes one up." My argument above I will call: "The fallacy of global argument explanation." It is used when someone tries to argue that a fallacy is always explained away with the use of a fallacy. :laugh:/> There's already one called the fallacy fallacy, which is where you would claim that a logical error automatically invalidates an argument. Pointing out a fallacious argument would not be considered a fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 The thing about the "fallacy" argument, is that one can be used in any argument to supposedly "prove" a position. If you read that graphic, there is a "fallacy" for every possible argument one can make. And if one doesn't apply, heck just make one up! Wrong wrong wrong. A logical fallacy is a fundamental error in logic. Fallacious thinking results in arguments that are not logically consistent. They are not used to prove, or even technically disprove, a position, either. Nobody "just makes one up." My argument above I will call: "The fallacy of global argument explanation." It is used when someone tries to argue that a fallacy is always explained away with the use of a fallacy. :laugh:/> There's already one called the fallacy fallacy, which is where you would claim that a logical error automatically invalidates an argument. Pointing out a fallacious argument would not be considered a fallacy. Your first argument is the fallacy of sweeping generalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,113 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Your first argument is the fallacy of sweeping generalization. Which part? Let's discuss it. We may learn something from one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUtiger98 24 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Thanks for sharing Weegle. I've seen people on both sides use many of these tactics on this forum. Heck there's so many I probably have too. I like the way this graph uses examples from conservatives and liberals. I think I'll bookmark this and review it before I post. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,113 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Thanks for sharing Weegle. I've seen people on both sides use many of these tactics on this forum. Heck there's so many I probably have too. I like the way this graph uses examples from conservatives and liberals. I think I'll bookmark this and review it before I post. LOL. Actually, that's a pretty good idea. The chart is an excellent resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,336 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Thanks for sharing Weegle. I've seen people on both sides use many of these tactics on this forum. Heck there's so many I probably have too. I like the way this graph uses examples from conservatives and liberals. I think I'll bookmark this and review it before I post. LOL. I agree. In fact, I have been looking for such a source ever since Ben started pointing them out. (Or maybe it was Tex?) Thanks weegs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,113 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Thanks for sharing Weegle. I've seen people on both sides use many of these tactics on this forum. Heck there's so many I probably have too. I like the way this graph uses examples from conservatives and liberals. I think I'll bookmark this and review it before I post. LOL. I agree. In fact, I have been looking for such a source ever since Ben started pointing them out. (Or maybe it was Tex?) Thanks weegs! Sagan's "The Fine Art of Baloney Detection" from The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. Also of note from that book, "The Dragon in My Garage." ETA Links Link for the Fine Art of Baloney Detection. Link for The Dragon in My Garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,113 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Other things to keep in mind during debates are the various philosophical razors. Occam's razor being the one most of us are familiar with. My sig has linked to the wiki article for Hanlon's razor for quite some time now. Which part? Let's discuss it. We may learn something from one another. Don't care to discuss it, Weegs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,459 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Wrong wrong wrong. A logical fallacy is a fundamental error in logic. Fallacious thinking generally results in arguments that are not logically consistent. They are not used to prove, or even technically disprove, a position, either. Nobody "just makes one up." This. Pointing out that the other person has committed a logical fallacy in attempting to prove a point or put forth an argument isn't meant to prove anything. It simply points out that the other person has failed to prove their point in some way. It's showing flaws in logic, not asserting a position itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,336 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Yep. The title of this thread is actually miss-worded. (If you understand what they actually are.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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