Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Shocking number of cops killed in 2014 but more media coverage given to those killed by cops. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/04/fbi-chief-comey-says-at-liu-funeral-that-number-2014-police-deaths-is-shocking/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 8,953 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Shocking number of cops killed in 2014 but more media coverage given to those killed by cops. http://www.foxnews.c...hs-is-shocking/ Well, not really: http://fivethirtyeig...lice-homicides/ http://reason.com/bl...e-been-killed-b But a tragic number, nonetheless. A very difficult and risky profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual-Threat Rigby 7,086 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Where did they get this number from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weagle1787 531 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 How is that shocking, exactly? That's an average of a little over two per state for the entire year, or around one every three days over the entire country. If I'm working in a profession alongside 800,000 peers and 115 of them die that year, I'm kind of liking the odds of making it home at the end of my shift. Don't get me wrong, police deaths are tragic, but let's keep things in perspective and stop feeding into the paranoia that leads cops to thinking every encounter with the general public could be their last. If you believe that long enough, its bound to affect your actions in a negative way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 6,382 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 How is that shocking, exactly? That's an average of a little over two per state for the entire year, or around one every three days over the entire country. If I'm working in a profession alongside 800,000 peers and 115 of them die that year, I'm kind of liking the odds of making it home at the end of my shift. Don't get me wrong, police deaths are tragic, but let's keep things in perspective and stop feeding into the paranoia that leads cops to thinking every encounter with the general public could be their last. If you believe that long enough, its bound to affect your actions in a negative way. Sorry i have friends that are cops. The only way that they do go home from a shift is by treating every encounter as if it was going to be their last. Apparently you have no idea how many crazy folks there are in the world and how many times a day a cop interacts with those crazies. A cop may have 1-2 serious moments a week where they are threatened or they impose their will on someone that may be ready to threaten them. They disarm way too many folks everyday that are drunk/high/stupid/crazy enough to try and make a name for themselves as a cop killer. So, if 800,000 cops in the US, are involved in somewhere over 50-100 confrontational episodes a year and only 115 died? I wonder how many are wounded? How many have jacked up lives due to the crazy folks they deal with everyday? I am not a cop and I do not want to be one. But trivializing their sacrifices is just not right by anyone's book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,192 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Amen. What would our lives be like without those Men and Women in Blue?...........I do not want to even think about THAT............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUtiger98 24 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 How is that shocking, exactly? That's an average of a little over two per state for the entire year, or around one every three days over the entire country. If I'm working in a profession alongside 800,000 peers and 115 of them die that year, I'm kind of liking the odds of making it home at the end of my shift. Don't get me wrong, police deaths are tragic, but let's keep things in perspective and stop feeding into the paranoia that leads cops to thinking every encounter with the general public could be their last. If you believe that long enough, its bound to affect your actions in a negative way. Sorry i have friends that are cops. The only way that they do go home from a shift is by treating every encounter as if it was going to be their last. Apparently you have no idea how many crazy folks there are in the world and how many times a day a cop interacts with those crazies. A cop may have 1-2 serious moments a week where they are threatened or they impose their will on someone that may be ready to threaten them. They disarm way too many folks everyday that are drunk/high/stupid/crazy enough to try and make a name for themselves as a cop killer. So, if 800,000 cops in the US, are involved in somewhere over 50-100 confrontational episodes a year and only 115 died? I wonder how many are wounded? How many have jacked up lives due to the crazy folks they deal with everyday? I am not a cop and I do not want to be one. But trivializing their sacrifices is just not right by anyone's book. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,113 Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Shocking number of cops killed in 2014 but more media coverage given to those killed by cops. http://www.foxnews.c...hs-is-shocking/ This stat was mentioned at the funeral for the 2 cops in NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 3,319 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 60 of these Officers were murdered (almost double from last year). Car accidents (about 1/3 involve pursuits) and heart attacks account for most of the other 55 deaths. The numbers include wildlife and correctional officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 60 of these Officers were murdered (almost double from last year). Car accidents (about 1/3 involve pursuits) and heart attacks account for most of the other 55 deaths. The numbers include wildlife and correctional officers. and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weagle1787 531 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 60 of these Officers were murdered (almost double from last year). Car accidents (about 1/3 involve pursuits) and heart attacks account for most of the other 55 deaths. The numbers include wildlife and correctional officers. T and? And... heart attacks and car accidents cannot be used as justification for ramping up the police state. They're also risks that affect everyone without discrimination- truckers, lawyers, fry cooks... people who don't get wall to wall coverage, grand processions, and hero rhetoric in their memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 3,319 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 60 of these Officers were murdered (almost double from last year). Car accidents (about 1/3 involve pursuits) and heart attacks account for most of the other 55 deaths. The numbers include wildlife and correctional officers. and? Sorry Blue. I know you do not like information. You seem to prefer disinformation or, misinformation, or intentionally generalized information. Anything other than reality and truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 60 of these Officers were murdered (almost double from last year). Car accidents (about 1/3 involve pursuits) and heart attacks account for most of the other 55 deaths. The numbers include wildlife and correctional officers. T and? And... heart attacks and car accidents cannot be used as justification for ramping up the police state. They're also risks that affect everyone without discrimination- truckers, lawyers, fry cooks... people who don't get wall to wall coverage, grand processions, and hero rhetoric in their memory. Actually quite the contrary is happening. Look at the arrests in NYC, they're DOWN significantly. The whole issue has been blown up by virtue of the false narrative that there is a systemic problem of racism among police officers across America. I agree there are probably pockets of areas where those kind of problems are real but I disagree that the problem is systemic in nature. It is the exception and not the rule but you'll NEVER hear that because there are those with a platform who are making the police, criminals, and criminals, the oppressed, and every other voice that entertains a different perspective is being characterized as racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weagle1787 531 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 60 of these Officers were murdered (almost double from last year). Car accidents (about 1/3 involve pursuits) and heart attacks account for most of the other 55 deaths. The numbers include wildlife and correctional officers. T and? And... heart attacks and car accidents cannot be used as justification for ramping up the police state. They're also risks that affect everyone without discrimination- truckers, lawyers, fry cooks... people who don't get wall to wall coverage, grand processions, and hero rhetoric in their memory. Actually quite the contrary is happening. Look at the arrests in NYC, they're DOWN significantly. They're only down because NYPD is trying to stick it to de Blasio by all but eliminating the revenue generating aspect, seemingly oblivious to the fact that they're giving us exactly what we want, and that the chaos and anarchy they had in mind hasn't panned out. It isn't because they just found it in their hearts to become peace officers again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 60 of these Officers were murdered (almost double from last year). Car accidents (about 1/3 involve pursuits) and heart attacks account for most of the other 55 deaths. The numbers include wildlife and correctional officers. T and? And... heart attacks and car accidents cannot be used as justification for ramping up the police state. They're also risks that affect everyone without discrimination- truckers, lawyers, fry cooks... people who don't get wall to wall coverage, grand processions, and hero rhetoric in their memory. Actually quite the contrary is happening. Look at the arrests in NYC, they're DOWN significantly. They're only down because NYPD is trying to stick it to de Blasio by all but eliminating the revenue generating aspect, seemingly oblivious to the fact that they're giving us exactly what we want, and that the chaos and anarchy they had in mind hasn't panned out. It isn't because they just found it in their hearts to become peace officers again. Uh violent crime is going up in NYC and regardless of the motivation the fact is police depts are NOT being ramped up ANYWHERE. Its a false argument that simply has no merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 60 of these Officers were murdered (almost double from last year). Car accidents (about 1/3 involve pursuits) and heart attacks account for most of the other 55 deaths. The numbers include wildlife and correctional officers. T and? And... heart attacks and car accidents cannot be used as justification for ramping up the police state. They're also risks that affect everyone without discrimination- truckers, lawyers, fry cooks... people who don't get wall to wall coverage, grand processions, and hero rhetoric in their memory. Actually quite the contrary is happening. Look at the arrests in NYC, they're DOWN significantly. They're only down because NYPD is trying to stick it to de Blasio by all but eliminating the revenue generating aspect, seemingly oblivious to the fact that they're giving us exactly what we want, and that the chaos and anarchy they had in mind hasn't panned out. It isn't because they just found it in their hearts to become peace officers again. Uh violent crime is going up in NYC and regardless of the motivation the fact is police depts are NOT being ramped up ANYWHERE. Its a false argument that simply has no merit. Then you won't mind posting a link to back up your statement. While we wait, I'll provide a link: Why Black New Yorkers Like Me Are Celebrating the NYPD Work Slowdown http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120709/nypd-work-slowdown-being-celebrated-new-yorkers-color Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Dumbest story I've seen lately. Very racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 3,319 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 60 of these Officers were murdered (almost double from last year). Car accidents (about 1/3 involve pursuits) and heart attacks account for most of the other 55 deaths. The numbers include wildlife and correctional officers. T and? And... heart attacks and car accidents cannot be used as justification for ramping up the police state. They're also risks that affect everyone without discrimination- truckers, lawyers, fry cooks... people who don't get wall to wall coverage, grand processions, and hero rhetoric in their memory. Actually quite the contrary is happening. Look at the arrests in NYC, they're DOWN significantly. They're only down because NYPD is trying to stick it to de Blasio by all but eliminating the revenue generating aspect, seemingly oblivious to the fact that they're giving us exactly what we want, and that the chaos and anarchy they had in mind hasn't panned out. It isn't because they just found it in their hearts to become peace officers again. Uh violent crime is going up in NYC and regardless of the motivation the fact is police depts are NOT being ramped up ANYWHERE. Its a false argument that simply has no merit. Really? Is that fact, opinion, convenient speculation? Are you lying? When did this trend begin? Where is the data? http://triblive.com/usworld/nation/7483387-74/police-crime-murders#axzz3OFcLAeJn http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/murders-violent-crime-new-york-article-1.2031267 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 60 of these Officers were murdered (almost double from last year). Car accidents (about 1/3 involve pursuits) and heart attacks account for most of the other 55 deaths. The numbers include wildlife and correctional officers. T and? And... heart attacks and car accidents cannot be used as justification for ramping up the police state. They're also risks that affect everyone without discrimination- truckers, lawyers, fry cooks... people who don't get wall to wall coverage, grand processions, and hero rhetoric in their memory. Actually quite the contrary is happening. Look at the arrests in NYC, they're DOWN significantly. They're only down because NYPD is trying to stick it to de Blasio by all but eliminating the revenue generating aspect, seemingly oblivious to the fact that they're giving us exactly what we want, and that the chaos and anarchy they had in mind hasn't panned out. It isn't because they just found it in their hearts to become peace officers again. Uh violent crime is going up in NYC and regardless of the motivation the fact is police depts are NOT being ramped up ANYWHERE. Its a false argument that simply has no merit. Then you won't mind posting a link to back up your statement. While we wait, I'll provide a link: Why Black New Yorkers Like Me Are Celebrating the NYPD Work Slowdown http://www.newrepubl...w-yorkers-color We'll see how many black New Yorkers are thrilled as time goes by. Believe it or not, police efforts follow crime and whether you like it or not, young black men commit a disproportionate amount of the crime. I would tend to think that the black community n NYC reaped significant benefits from stop and frisk because the harsh reality is, a lot of criminal activity goes on in their neighborhoods. Lets re-visit this topic in a year and we'll be able to clearly see what has happened to the violent crime numbers in NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) 60 of these Officers were murdered (almost double from last year). Car accidents (about 1/3 involve pursuits) and heart attacks account for most of the other 55 deaths. The numbers include wildlife and correctional officers. T and? And... heart attacks and car accidents cannot be used as justification for ramping up the police state. They're also risks that affect everyone without discrimination- truckers, lawyers, fry cooks... people who don't get wall to wall coverage, grand processions, and hero rhetoric in their memory. Actually quite the contrary is happening. Look at the arrests in NYC, they're DOWN significantly. They're only down because NYPD is trying to stick it to de Blasio by all but eliminating the revenue generating aspect, seemingly oblivious to the fact that they're giving us exactly what we want, and that the chaos and anarchy they had in mind hasn't panned out. It isn't because they just found it in their hearts to become peace officers again. Uh violent crime is going up in NYC and regardless of the motivation the fact is police depts are NOT being ramped up ANYWHERE. Its a false argument that simply has no merit. Really? Is that fact, opinion, convenient speculation? Are you lying? When did this trend begin? Where is the data? http://triblive.com/...s#axzz3OFcLAeJn http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.2031267 Good catch. I stand corrected. Lets see where those numbers are in a year. I do not believe DeBlasio's act will sustain that good news. We'll see. He's been in office one year and his cease and desist on stop and frisk has only been in effect for a few months. Edited January 8, 2015 by TheBlueVue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 9,742 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) I don't think there's really a point to the thread. What does this single statistic demonstrate? That law enforcement can be dangerous? (Duuuuh) How does it compare to fatalities in other professions? How does it compare to previous years? And I would like to see the statistics for the number of civilians killed by the police, preferably broken down into some categories, say by armed victims, unarmed victims, mentally ill victims, traffic chase victims, etc. It's unconscionable we don't collect these statistics. We can't really have a rational discussion on police methods without it. Edited January 8, 2015 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 3,319 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 "Good catch. I stand corrected. Lets see where those numbers are in a year. I do not believe DeBlasio's act will sustain that good news. We'll see. He's been in office one year and his cease and desist on stop and frisk has only been in effect for a few months." Okay but, let's keep in mind that many of your doomsday predictions for the future haven't been proven to be accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubearcat 2,082 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I'm not sure if this is the proper topic for this but, check out www.fox10phoenix.com. Watch the "Activist critical of police undergoes use of force scenarios". It was very interesting. I believe in some ways it shows how and why some police are killed in use-of-force scenarios and why some citizens are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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