AUUSN 823 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 "Pope Francis said Thursday there are limits to freedom of expression, especially when it insults or ridicules someone's faith. Francis spoke about the Paris terror attacks while en route to the Philippines, defending free speech as not only a fundamental human right but a duty to speak one's mind for the sake of the common good. But he said there were limits. By way of example, he referred to Alberto Gasparri, who organizes papal trips and was standing by his side aboard the papal plane. "If my good friend Dr. Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch," Francis said, throwing a pretend punch his way. "It's normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others." http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_REL_FRANCE_ATTACKS_POPE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Sure there are , when it comes to decency & being respectful to your fellow man. But far more important , there are limits to how we can react to others free speech . Odd that a Pope would overlook that point. And yes, I can insult the faith of others. All the damn hell I want. Religious folk are constantly threatening non believers with eternal damnation & the like. That's insulting non belief. So I tell the pope , knock it off, or be a hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Sure there are , when it comes to decency & being respectful to your fellow man. But far more important , there are limits to how we can react to others free speech . Odd that a Pope would overlook that point. And yes, I can insult the faith of others. All the damn hell I want. Religious folk are constantly threatening non believers with eternal damnation & the like. That's insulting non belief. So I tell the pope , knock it off, or be a hypocrite. Ummm yeah he said that. Did you even read the entire article or were you in a hurry to throw a flash bang, begging for attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I read what was posted. Look at me!!! Look at me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80Tiger 899 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 "Pope Francis said Thursday there are limits to freedom of expression, especially when it insults or ridicules someone's faith. Francis spoke about the Paris terror attacks while en route to the Philippines, defending free speech as not only a fundamental human right but a duty to speak one's mind for the sake of the common good. But he said there were limits. By way of example, he referred to Alberto Gasparri, who organizes papal trips and was standing by his side aboard the papal plane. "If my good friend Dr. Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch," Francis said, throwing a pretend punch his way. "It's normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others." http://hosted.ap.org...EMPLATE=DEFAULT Shooting people is different than a punch in the nose. Hopefully he talks about in the full article. In full disclosure I did not click the link and read the full article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I take issue with the pope saying this so soon after the Paris attack, and almost giving the killers an excuse for their actions. It's an incomplete thought...saying one can't do something with out the caveat of trying to bring people together. He should strongly speak out against the murder of humans as a response to perceived insults. Does this mean I'm justified in attacking anyone who burns the flag ? Or who wears a Che t-shirt ? What about bammers wearing ua-t gear, in church . I may not like it, but that's free speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Good grief, at least I post part of the article unlike some who post ambiguous titles with even more ambiguous text with just the article linked. I think this is perfect timing to discuss. As people freely post offensive caricatures of Mohammed should ask themselves how would they feel if the same was posted about Jesus? So from the article, the Pope further stated: "Recently the Vatican and four prominent French imams issued a joint declaration that, while denouncing the Paris attacks, urged the media to treat religions with respect. Francis, who has called on Muslim leaders in particular to speak out against Islamic extremism, went a step further Thursday when asked by a French journalist about whether there were limits when freedom of expression meets freedom of religion. "There are so many people who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others," he said. "They are provocateurs. And what happens to them is what would happen to Dr. Gasparri if he says a curse word against my mother. There is a limit." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 You can't deny that the Pope is still getting heat from others about this idea of banning free speech so as not to piss off angry folk. Pope is also going out on his socialist limb further by yapping about man caused climate change. But that's another issue, entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Do people actually still listen to the pope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Do people actually still listen to the pope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Do people actually still listen to the pope? Apparently the Left loves him now. He's fine w/ gay marriage, blames man for non existent global warming, thinks the world should redistribute all the wealth, and now wants to limit free speech. Don't tell the Left that he's still not crazy about abortion. At least, not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Do people actually still listen to the pope? He's fine w/ gay marriage, blames man for non existent global warming, thinks the world should redistribute all the wealth, and now wants to limit free speech. Can you yell "fire" in a movie theater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Do people actually still listen to the pope? He's fine w/ gay marriage, blames man for non existent global warming, thinks the world should redistribute all the wealth, and now wants to limit free speech. Can you yell "fire" in a movie theater? The MSM will, and then blame the TEA party, before knowing the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Do people actually still listen to the pope? That is scary. Would love for him to walk up to me and put that ring out for me to kiss. I would laugh in his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,147 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 That is scary. Would love for him to walk up to me and put that ring out for me to kiss. I would laugh in his face. I'm sure he's smart enough not to try that with a Protestant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubearcat 2,137 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Do people actually still listen to the pope? Apparently the Left loves him now. He's fine w/ gay marriage, blames man for non existent global warming, thinks the world should redistribute all the wealth, and now wants to limit free speech. Don't tell the Left that he's still not crazy about abortion. At least, not yet. I'm not sure what you mean by "fine with gay marriage ". Pope Francis did not endorse homosexuality but did call for a more open heart for those that are homosexual as well as being respectful towards those that are homosexual. Your comments about Pope Francis seem to be quite the opposite of respectful. And yes weegle,there are about a billion members of the Catholic church and a large portion of us are practicing and listen to the pope just as Protestants listen to their pastors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,829 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Do people actually still listen to the pope? He's fine w/ gay marriage, blames man for non existent global warming, thinks the world should redistribute all the wealth, and now wants to limit free speech. Can you yell "fire" in a movie theater? Sure. If there's a fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Do people actually still listen to the pope? Apparently the Left loves him now. He's fine w/ gay marriage, blames man for non existent global warming, thinks the world should redistribute all the wealth, and now wants to limit free speech. Don't tell the Left that he's still not crazy about abortion. At least, not yet. I'm not sure what you mean by "fine with gay marriage ". Pope Francis did not endorse homosexuality but did call for a more open heart for those that are homosexual as well as being respectful towards those that are homosexual. Your comments about Pope Francis seem to be quite the opposite of respectful. Not being Catholic, even a little, I'm not cool w/ folks wanting to limit free speech, promoting the religion of AGW, or mandatory redistribution of wealth. Especially when the Vatican sits on virtual mountains of gold and treasure, and is not wanting in the least for it's own wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubearcat 2,137 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Do people actually still listen to the pope? Apparently the Left loves him now. He's fine w/ gay marriage, blames man for non existent global warming, thinks the world should redistribute all the wealth, and now wants to limit free speech. Don't tell the Left that he's still not crazy about abortion. At least, not yet. I'm not sure what you mean by "fine with gay marriage ". Pope Francis did not endorse homosexuality but did call for a more open heart for those that are homosexual as well as being respectful towards those that are homosexual. Your comments about Pope Francis seem to be quite the opposite of respectful. Not being Catholic, even a little, I'm not cool w/ folks wanting to limit free speech, promoting the religion of AGW, or mandatory redistribution of wealth. Especially when the Vatican sits on virtual mountains of gold and treasure, and is not wanting in the least for it's own wealth. The way I read it, the pope was encouraging people to be more mindful of their words/free speech. I understood him to say if one says certain things, especially nasty and mean spirited, it shouldn't be totally unexpected when one reacts negatively towards those words. As far as the "redistribution of wealth " comment, that's either a misunderstanding of what he said or you're just listening to talking points. Pope Francis never promulgated redistribution of wealth. He said at a certain point, how many more "things" do you NEED? He said that once you've comfortably taken care of you and yours, you should consider helping the less fortunate. I consider it my duty to give as much as I can reasonably afford to charity. I'm not sure if you've actually read any of his speeches or taken the read any of his letters but Francis is one of the most respected popes in a long time by people of all faiths and non believers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I don't doubt that the MSM has put their own spin on what the Pope says. But saying there should be ' limits' to free speech, I guess I'd rather that be clarified into asking people to show restraint and respect, as opposed to implying in any way that there be outward restrictions placed on people. The end result can be the doing away with vulgar cartoons, but asking nicely will get that done far faster than trying to impose some top down order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptau 169 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 The Catholic Church and some of the state sponsored Protestant churches have a history of officially going after heretics and blasphemers to punish them, but they stopped it several hundred years ago. About the most serious thing that goes on now is excommunication and shunning. Other organized religions are still stuck in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 The Catholic Church and some of the state sponsored Protestant churches have a history of officially going after heretics and blasphemers to punish them, but they stopped it several hundred years ago. About the most serious thing that goes on now is excommunication and shunning. Other organized religions are still stuck in the past. Yeah. Galileo says " hello ! " . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,147 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 The Catholic Church and some of the state sponsored Protestant churches have a history of officially going after heretics and blasphemers to punish them, but they stopped it several hundred years ago. About the most serious thing that goes on now is excommunication and shunning. Other organized religions are still stuck in the past. Yeah. Galileo says " hello ! " . I need to go look back through that Cosmos thread from a few months back. We had an interesting discussion on Galileo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptau 169 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 The Catholic Church and some of the state sponsored Protestant churches have a history of officially going after heretics and blasphemers to punish them, but they stopped it several hundred years ago. About the most serious thing that goes on now is excommunication and shunning. Other organized religions are still stuck in the past. Yeah. Galileo says " hello ! " . Galileo died almost 400 years at the end of the protestant reformation. The catholic church did not tolerate heresy much then, They had entire kingdoms leaving their church and they couldn't do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,122 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 They arrested him for the crime of heliocentric thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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