For those that wanted Bobby Petrino

[Tampa Tiger 30]

For those that said it was a good plan to get Bobby Petrino, I'll leave this gem here:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2358892-what-its-like-to-have-bobby-petrino-pull-your-offer-48-hours-before-signing-day?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

I'm so glad we have coaches that have integrity. The article basically lays out what a dirtbag the guy is after he rescinded an offer to a kid who verbally committed last June.

[cptau 128]

For those that said it was a good plan to get Bobby Petrino, I'll leave this gem here:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2358892-what-its-like-to-have-bobby-petrino-pull-your-offer-48-hours-before-signing-day?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

I'm so glad we have coaches that have integrity. The article basically lays out what a dirtbag the guy is after he rescinded an offer to a kid who verbally committed last June.

The article left out what Petrino did to Western Kentucky. They rescued him from the ranks of untouchable coaches and then he started signaling Louisville he wanted to go back there.

Louisville now has two stellar coaches when it comes to personal conduct, Pitino and Petrino.

[RunInRed 12,160]

By no means defending Petrino but Elijah Sullivan situations was some what similar although he was given more notice and coaching staff change somewhat explains it...

“Some things came up with Auburn,” Sullivan told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “They wanted to grayshirt me. My parents and I talked about it. Some things didn’t sit too well with them. So I opened it back up. My coach got Kansas State in the picture, and I officially flipped and signed with them on Wednesday morning.”

...

“I was aware that Auburn wanted to grayshirt me about a month ago,” Sullivan said. “It happened right when Coach Muschamp and the new staff came in. I talked to them about a week later after they got there, and the coaches told me that they wanted to grayshirt me because, uh, well .. I’m not sure what it was really for so I’m not going to speak on that. But yeah, they told me right after the staff meeting that they wanted to grayshirt me.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/three-star-lb-signs-with-kansas-state-after-auburn-grayshirt-request-131144921.html

[Mikey 14,605]

For those that said it was a good plan to get Bobby Petrino, I'll leave this gem here:

http://bleacherrepor...amming-national

I'm so glad we have coaches that have integrity. The article basically lays out what a dirtbag the guy is after he rescinded an offer to a kid who verbally committed last June.

As noted above, we did the same thing to Elijah Sullivan. Then there's Westry, whose offer we also jerked and he ended up signing with Kentucky. There are a lot of reasons to be glad we didn't hire Petrino but we're just as dirty as he is on this score.

[PowerOfDixieland 3,086]

Kentucky staff persuades three-star cornerback to flip from Auburn

"He's a solid kid and he understands what a commitment means," Chipoletti said. "He committed to Auburn early, and it was because he had built a relationship with their coaching staff. And when that change happens — nothing against Coach Muschamp and the guys they brought in — but when that change happens it kind of opened the door back up to other recruiting."

http://www.kentucky....ades-three.html

At least what was coming from Westry and Chipoletti sounded different than what was coming from Colburn and his coach...

"I was beyond embarrassed."

Edited February 10, 2015 by PowerOfDixieland

[AU64 10,122]

For those that said it was a good plan to get Bobby Petrino, I'll leave this gem here:

http://bleacherrepor...amming-national

I'm so glad we have coaches that have integrity. The article basically lays out what a dirtbag the guy is after he rescinded an offer to a kid who verbally committed last June.

As noted above, we did the same thing to Elijah Sullivan. Then there's Westry, whose offer we also jerked and he ended up signing with Kentucky. There are a lot of reasons to be glad we didn't hire Petrino but we're just as dirty as he is on this score.

Yep Mikey.....100% in agreement here.....which is too bad...not AU's finest hour IMO.

Edited February 10, 2015 by AU64

[TexasTiger 8,984]

I don't like grey shirting an early commit, but I think it is a different thing to say, "We'll honor the offer of a scholarship, but we've changed our defensive philosophy and you may find other programs to be a better fit for your skill set/style of play," as opposed to pulling an offer.

[Mikey 14,605]

I don't like grey shirting an early commit, but I think it is a different thing to say, "We'll honor the offer of a scholarship, but we've changed our defensive philosophy and you may find other programs to be a better fit for your skill set/style of play," as opposed to pulling an offer.

Greyshirting is by definition pulling an offer. It's nothing but a vague statement that you might let the kid sign next January if nothing better comes along. He had and accepted the offer to sign a scholarship this time. That offer was withdrawn. I don't think what we did can be sugar coated.

The article above about Westry reads one way. Go to the recruiting forum, find Westry's thread and see how it sounds as things developed. We dumped him but did arrange for Kentucky to take a look at him.

We managed to jerk the offers from both Westry and Sullivan using techniques that minimized embarrassment for the kid, but the fact remains that the offers were jerked from two that never would have decommitted on their own. Claiming "holier than thou" at the bammers over Philon and others sure was fun while it lasted. We can no longer do that, we're right in there with them.

[Weagle1787 531]

I don't like grey shirting an early commit, but I think it is a different thing to say, "We'll honor the offer of a scholarship, but we've changed our defensive philosophy and you may find other programs to be a better fit for your skill set/style of play," as opposed to pulling an offer.

Agree completely. Not to mention at least in Westry's case, IIRC we played some role in helping them get hooked up with a gig more suited to them. No equivalence at all.

[keesler 5,617]

Intergrity my arse! College football coaches have a job to do and if they fail to produce at a certain level then they are gone, period. They get paid a king's ransom to leave the program if they don't produce (AU has plenty on the payroll.)

It's a freaking buisness, integrity in football went out the door a loooooong time ago.

[Weegle777 63]

I'm not stoning Petrino for doing this, as some have said, we did it too. Crappy? Yes. Illegal? No. People just want to pile on the hatewagon of BP.

Still hope we beat em by 50 though.

[Tiger 8,494]

Intergrity my arse! College football coaches have a job to do and if they fail to produce at a certain level then they are gone, period. They get paid a king's ransom to leave the program if they don't produce (AU has plenty on the payroll.)

It's a freaking buisness, integrity in football went out the door a loooooong time ago.

I want to disagree with this so bad. But I can't.

It's a cold industry.

[Randman5000 3,691]

never wanted that sleeze ball, i cannot believe people wanted that guy. I'm so glad he is doing this to some other program and not ours.

[AU64 10,122]

Intergrity my arse! College football coaches have a job to do and if they fail to produce at a certain level then they are gone, period. They get paid a king's ransom to leave the program if they don't produce (AU has plenty on the payroll.)

It's a freaking buisness, integrity in football went out the door a loooooong time ago.

I want to disagree with this so bad. But I can't.

It's a cold industry.

Yep...time to dump this "Auburn Family" and "Auburn Man" crap....that's for those childish folks who are foolish enough to think it's still possible to run a football program with class and ethics. :-\

[GBAU83 212]

I understand we "pulled a scholarship offer" from Westry and Sullivan (even by offering a greyshirt) and while I don't like that, is it any different than the kid who "commits" but then flips to another school. We often say, but he is an 18 year kid" which may be true but your word is your word. Like Cowart, don't commit until you commit. I've never been in there shoes, but I have been offered a job, and tentatively agreed but both parties knew things could change and the offer revoked or I could then decline. Isn't recruiting the same and the contract is only final when the LOI is signed by both parties?

I feel for Colburn mostly on the timing. For Westry and Sullivan, AU told them with enough time they could look elsewhere.Petrino did not give the kid much opportunity since contact was limited by the time he was told.

[Tampa Tiger 30]

I feel for Colburn mostly on the timing. For Westry and Sullivan, AU told them with enough time they could look elsewhere.Petrino did not give the kid much opportunity since contact was limited by the time he was told.

This is what makes him the dirtball. The ability of the signee not to react

[Tiger 8,494]

Intergrity my arse! College football coaches have a job to do and if they fail to produce at a certain level then they are gone, period. They get paid a king's ransom to leave the program if they don't produce (AU has plenty on the payroll.)

It's a freaking buisness, integrity in football went out the door a loooooong time ago.

I want to disagree with this so bad. But I can't.

It's a cold industry.

Yep...time to dump this "Auburn Family" and "Auburn Man" crap....that's for those childish folks who are foolish enough to think it's still possible to run a football program with class and ethics. :-\

We would never not fire a coach who isn't winning games because his ethics are off the charts.

But what does "Auburn Family" and "Auburn Man" have anything to do with it? Running a successful program in the SEC has nothing to do with marketing/recruiting catchphrases.

Edited February 10, 2015 by Tiger

[AU64 10,122]

Agree..but I sure think it is still possible to do both....win ....and run an unquestionably clean program....just hoping we do the right thing with the players we invite to play at AU.

[Tiger 8,494]

Agree..but I sure think it is still possible to do both....win ....and run an unquestionably clean program....just hoping we do the right thing with the players we invite to play at AU.

I agree, it gets tiresome hearing about guys getting in trouble. Especially after Tubs spoiled us with very limited behavioral issues especially compared to the rest of the conference. But I'm becoming more and more numb to it.

[keesler 5,617]

I agree, it gets tiresome hearing about guys getting in trouble. Especially after Tubs spoiled us with very limited behavioral issues especially compared to the rest of the conference. But I'm becoming more and more numb to it.

And you will become more and more numb to these recruiting schenanigans as well. It's the current landscape of big time college football. It was fine for AU fans to throw stones at other programs, their coaches, their players until some of the same stinky stuff starts to leak out about our beloved Auburn program....... Big time college football is a dirty buisness, and don't even get started on college basketball recruiting (its a septic tank).

[Tiger 8,494]

I agree, it gets tiresome hearing about guys getting in trouble. Especially after Tubs spoiled us with very limited behavioral issues especially compared to the rest of the conference. But I'm becoming more and more numb to it.

And you will become more and more numb to these recruiting schenanigans as well. It's the current landscape of big time college football. It was fine for AU fans to throw stones at other programs, their coaches, their players until some of the same stinky stuff starts to leak out about our beloved Auburn program....... Big time college football is a dirty buisness, and don't even get started on college basketball recruiting (its a septic tank).

The hypocrisy is the issue for me. You gotta have your head in the sand to think this stuff doesn't happen at AU along with everywhere else. and you're right about bball recruitiing between AAU and then shoe companies....

[alexava 6,769]

the hypocrisy bothers me too. but to be fair there was a change in coordinator/staff and they informed the kid a month before signing day. still not the way i would have handled it and im sure the kid was hurt but it's much different than pulling his offer 48 hours from signing day.

[NoALtiger 3,484]

Ha, these hindsight 20/20 threads are always funny to me. Worthless, but funny.

[AU64 10,122]

Ha, these hindsight 20/20 threads are always funny to me. Worthless, but funny.

In this case, I think many of us would have given the same guidance up front...so I don't consider this as "hindsight" wisdom.

So, it's worth talking about.....when a mistake is made, we can hope that someone learns from it.

[PatBoCamRob 30]

Kentucky staff persuades three-star cornerback to flip from Auburn

"He's a solid kid and he understands what a commitment means," Chipoletti said. "He committed to Auburn early, and it was because he had built a relationship with their coaching staff. And when that change happens — nothing against Coach Muschamp and the guys they brought in — but when that change happens it kind of opened the door back up to other recruiting."

http://www.kentucky....ades-three.html

At least what was coming from Westry and Chipoletti sounded different than what was coming from Colburn and his coach...

"I was beyond embarrassed."

Omg. That kid dumped AU... BECAUSE Muschamp was coming? What a fool!