State Dept. Bungles Another One?

[AUUSN 823]

I had a nice walk thank you but I see you are still foaming at the mouth. Please show me where I said anything disparaging about Marines. I simply posted an article. Is that a crime? Did you even read it? Apparently not because the article refers to sensitive info. Could they be classified? Who knows.....I don't and neither do you. You should be pissed with the DoS for putting the Marines in danger.

I read the article. Now show me were it states that we left classified, secret, sensitive MATERIAL behind. YOU STATED THAT WE (i.e. MARINES) left Secret material out in the open for anyone to waltz in and take. Just show me where the article states that. DoS puts Marines in danger all over the world. That's their job! To protect our embassies in some pretty dangerous locations.

[AURaptor 1,121]

Marines take orders from .. someone. If they're destroying their own weapons and leaving sensitive material behind, it's because they were told to do so.

Not their fault, it's the fault of leadership, higher up.

Like those who were told to stand down when Amb. Stevens was being murdered.

There were no Marines in Libya. It was a contracted security detachment and thus not germane to this discussion.

I didn't say there were Marines in Libya. I was speaking to the leadership in D.C. , or higher up the line, making calls on actions taken, not taken.

USN - you're focusing on the wrong part of the discussion here. If anyone says the Marines did this or did that, it's not a criticism of the Marines, but those giving the orders TO the Marines.

[AUUSN 823]

Marines take orders from .. someone. If they're destroying their own weapons and leaving sensitive material behind, it's because they were told to do so.

Not their fault, it's the fault of leadership, higher up.

Like those who were told to stand down when Amb. Stevens was being murdered.

There were no Marines in Libya. It was a contracted security detachment and thus not germane to this discussion.

I didn't say there were Marines in Libya. I was speaking to the leadership in D.C. , or higher up the line, making calls on actions taken, not taken.

USN - you're focusing on the wrong part of the discussion here. If anyone says the Marines did this or did that, it's not a criticism of the Marines, but those giving the orders TO the Marines.

Then carry on talking to yourself. Really? It's not a criticism of the Marines? They would disagree.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

AUUSN......How many times do I have to say I retracted the word "secret." But the article does say sensitive material which MIGHT include classified info. Any intelligent person reading the article and the apparent chaos (also mentioned in several other articles I've read) would conclude that the lives of Marines and others were placed in danger.

Now you show me where I said ANYTHING disparaging about our Marines.

[AUUSN 823]

AUUSN......How many times do I have to say I retracted the word "secret." But the article does say sensitive material which MIGHT include classified info. Any intelligent person reading the article and the apparent chaos (also mentioned in several other articles I've read) would conclude that the lives of Marines and others were placed in danger.

Now you show me where I said ANYTHING disparaging about our Marines.

Here is the article. Please for the love of humanity show me where it states 'Material!?'

Internal State Department emails reviewed by Fox News reveal that as security unraveled in Yemen, U.S. personnel were scrambling to finalize their exit plan and were so uncertain about what would happen that procedures for safeguarding sensitive information were bypassed -- with permission from Washington.

The unclassified emails reveal staff on the ground in Yemen, as well as senior department executives in Washington, were concerned the evacuation might go bad and left a communication network running at the embassy in case staff had to return. The emails point to uncertainty on the ground amid fast-moving developments, even as the Obama administration downplayed any irregularities.

"It wasn't hasty," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki insisted on Fox News' "The Kelly File" on Feb. 12, a day after the evacuation.

But one email reviewed by Fox News showed genuine concern -- even panic -- in Washington, that an unclassified system exposing emails and day-to-day operations was left up and running at the embassy in Sanaa.

"We need to quickly think about the plan for destroying/sanitizing the OpenNet data that is still in Sanaa," the email from a supervisor said.

"I am a little worried it is still out there."

That referred to a main communication link with Washington, known as OpenNet. The emails show that system -- at what was one of the most heavily guarded U.S. embassies in the Middle East -- was not shut down, in what was described to Fox News as a break in standard practice.

On Feb. 8, Ambassador Matthew Tueller -- with the approval of Under Secretary Patrick Kennedy, one of the State Department's most senior executives -- ordered staff to leave the OpenNet link up, in case the evacuation plan failed and they had to return to the embassy for an indefinite period.

But the worried email sent three days later showed the ramifications of leaving the system exposed, and it urged officials to implement a plan to destroy or clean up that data "as soon as possible."

The U.S. joined Britain and France last week in pulling out of Yemen, closing their embassies and removing staff amid a civil war driven by Iran-aligned Shiite rebels. Yemen is also home to one of the most dangerous Al Qaeda affiliates, and the U.S. pullout has raised questions about the future of the U.S. counterterrorism program there.

But the fact that sensitive information was left at the compound raises additional questions.

Fox News is told that after the U.S. team fled, it took three days to remotely access and delete the remaining data. Servers containing financial information, as well as passport and visa requests with personal information, also had to be cleared.

Tony Shaffer, a former military intelligence officer now with the London Center for Policy Research, explained how the information left unguarded at the compound could have posed problems.

"If they are able to exploit it, that is say break it open and potentially analyze it and categorize it this will give them a great deal of information about how U.S. embassies function," he said.

Psaki, speaking with Fox News, acknowledged that not everything went as planned.

But, she said, "We've been planning these for weeks and everybody was following the proper protocol put in place for the advance."

Psaki's claim that there was a long-standing plan conflicts with email traffic, just days before the evacuation, requesting further guidance and instruction on closing the embassy.

Also, by Feb. 8, three days before the evacuation, the emails clearly show the plan was to leave on commercial air, and not a U.S. military aircraft, which would have allowed the Marines at the post to take their weapons with them. During the evacuation, military personnel had to destroy or render inoperable their weapons before boarding the aircraft. There is no evidence the State Department tried to charter out to a U.S.-controlled airbase that would have allowed the Marines to stay armed.

Asked about the emails on Wednesday, Psaki said: "We successfully moved our personnel out. And I think that's what everybody should be focused on."

Catherine Herridge is an award-winning Chief Intelligence correspondent for FOX News Channel (FNC) based in Washington, D.C. She covers intelligence, the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security. Herridge joined FNC in 1996 as a London-based correspondent.

[AURaptor 1,121]

Then carry on talking to yourself. Really? It's not a criticism of the Marines? They would disagree.

Really? You know this ? You've polled each and every one ?

If that's the case, and they are feeling put upon, when no one is in the least trying to place blame on THEM, then maybe they have thinner skin than they need.

Or maybe just YOUR skin is too thin.

[AUUSN 823]

Then carry on talking to yourself. Really? It's not a criticism of the Marines? They would disagree.

Really? You know this ? You've polled each and every one ?

If that's the case, and they are feeling put upon, when no one is in the least trying to place blame on THEM, then maybe they have thinner skin than they need.

Or maybe just YOUR skin is too thin.

Why are you trolling me? Is this where I ask for your tax information or state again that you've never travelled to the Middle East? Have you even seen an Embassy overseas?

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

AUUSN....you can nit pick on words all day long about info but you can't show me anything I said native about Marines. It's apparent all you came here for today was to start a fight.That's all you have succeeded in doing. And you call Raptor a troll. Nice little bit of hypocrisy.

I'm thru with it. Run along and do your duty.

[AUUSN 823]

AUUSN....you can nit pick on words all day long about info but you can't show me anything I said native about Marines. It's apparent all you came here for today was to start a fight.That's all you have succeeded in doing. And you call Raptor a troll. Nice little bit of hypocrisy.

I'm thru with it. Run along and do your duty.

Holy cow dude. You wrote: "But the article does say sensitive material which MIGHT include classified info." Where does the article state that? Where? If you misread the article and then erroneously started this thread because of it, be a man and admit it. You said we left Secret, classified or sensitive material out in the open. That is a crime. Marines are in charge of the destruction of classified material.

[AURaptor 1,121]

OCD much ?

WOW !

[AUUSN 823]

OCD much ?

WOW !

Ya, I am OCD much when sad posters misread Fox News articles, start threads, and disparage Marine Security Detachments all in an attempt to score cheap points against their boogey man.

[TheBlueVue 177]

OCD much ?

WOW !

Ya, I am OCD much when sad posters misread Fox News articles, start threads, and disparage Marine Security Detachments all in an attempt to score cheap points against their boogey man.

OCD much ?

WOW !

Ya, I am OCD much when sad posters misread Fox News articles, start threads, and disparage Marine Security Detachments all in an attempt to score cheap points against their boogey man.

Well, there are few certainties in life but one of them is...you'll be here to defend your beloved left wingers missteps endlessly, all day long, day after day, everyday while supposedly being an active duty member of our armed services. Dude, Im retired and don't waste even half the time in here you do. What the hell is your job? I cant imagine those you report to being all that charmed to find out exactly how much time you fritter away arguing endlessly in this obscure forum. If your work ethic is reflective of the entire military we are in deep caca as a nation!

[AURaptor 1,121]

OCD much ?

WOW !

Ya, I am OCD much when sad posters misread Fox News articles, start threads, and disparage Marine Security Detachments all in an attempt to score cheap points against their boogey man.

USN - that NEVER happened.

You're seeing things which simply aren't there.

[AUUSN 823]

OCD much ?

WOW !

Ya, I am OCD much when sad posters misread Fox News articles, start threads, and disparage Marine Security Detachments all in an attempt to score cheap points against their boogey man.

OCD much ?

WOW !

Ya, I am OCD much when sad posters misread Fox News articles, start threads, and disparage Marine Security Detachments all in an attempt to score cheap points against their boogey man.

Well, there are few certainties in life but one of them is...you'll be here to defend your beloved left wingers missteps endlessly, all day long, day after day, everyday while supposedly being an active duty member of our armed services. Dude, Im retired and don't waste even half the time in here you do. What the hell is your job? I cant imagine those you report to being all that charmed to find out exactly how much time you fritter away arguing endlessly in this obscure forum. If your work ethic is reflective of the entire military we are in deep caca as a nation!

[AUUSN 823]

OCD much ?

WOW !

Ya, I am OCD much when sad posters misread Fox News articles, start threads, and disparage Marine Security Detachments all in an attempt to score cheap points against their boogey man.

USN - that NEVER happened.

You're seeing things which simply aren't there.

It was stated on this thread that Secret, classified, sensitive material was left out, in the open for others to find. That act is a crime. Marines are in charge of destroying classified material.

[AURaptor 1,121]

What the hell is your job? I cant imagine those you report to being all that charmed to find out exactly how much time you fritter away arguing endlessly in this obscure forum. If your work ethic is reflective of the entire military we are in deep caca as a nation!

USN, taking a break from his postings @ AUFamily forums.

[AUUSN 823]

What the hell is your job? I cant imagine those you report to being all that charmed to find out exactly how much time you fritter away arguing endlessly in this obscure forum. If your work ethic is reflective of the entire military we are in deep caca as a nation!

USN, taking a break from his postings @ AUFamily forums.

Debate......won. I think we are done here. Yet another lame thread started by the OP shot down in flames.

[AURaptor 1,121]

Just like his Commander OF Chief, USN declares VICTORY ! , then cuts and runs.

[homersapien 11,353]

OCD much ?

WOW !

Ya, I am OCD much when sad posters misread Fox News articles, start threads, and disparage Marine Security Detachments all in an attempt to score cheap points against their boogey man.

OCD much ?

WOW !

Ya, I am OCD much when sad posters misread Fox News articles, start threads, and disparage Marine Security Detachments all in an attempt to score cheap points against their boogey man.

Well, there are few certainties in life but one of them is...you'll be here to defend your beloved left wingers missteps endlessly, all day long, day after day, everyday while supposedly being an active duty member of our armed services. Dude, Im retired and don't waste even half the time in here you do. What the hell is your job? I cant imagine those you report to being all that charmed to find out exactly how much time you fritter away arguing endlessly in this obscure forum. If your work ethic is reflective of the entire military we are in deep caca as a nation!

Ad hominem attack and a compete evasion of the issue on the table.

Why am I not surprised? :-\

[homersapien 11,353]

Just like his Commander OF Chief, USN declares VICTORY ! , then cuts and runs.

Well it's clear that you and Tweedle Dum ran out of arguments way back. (Poo flinging doesn't count as an argument)

[AURaptor 1,121]

I wasn't arguing.

[homersapien 11,353]

I wasn't arguing.

No kidding. :-\

Neither was Blue.

[AURaptor 1,121]

I wasn't arguing.

No kidding. :-\

Neither was Blue.

The only one arguing was USN, by claiming the Marines were being accused of crimes when no such thing was true.

USN was creating a straw man argument, and getting all bent out of shape over his imagined slight.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Yep AUUSN, done and YOU lost this debate and your credibility, if you ever had any. You rant on and on about the info (which I clarified my comments about) but you still won't show where I said anything disparaging about the Marines. ....because YOU CAN'T. So put up or stfu.

[AUUSN 823]

Yep AUUSN, done and YOU lost this debate and your credibility, if you ever had any. You rant on and on about the info (which I clarified my comments about) but you still won't show where I said anything disparaging about the Marines. ....because YOU CAN'T. So put up or stfu.

Holy crap. I won this debate already but if you insist. Did you state that Secret, Classified or Sensitive MATERIAL was left out, not destroyed, in the open for others to find? YES! Is that a crime? YES! Are the Marines in charge of the destruction of classified material at embassies around the world? YES!