Christian florist refuses deal from Wash. state att. general

[TheBlueVue 177]

What I want to see is how the liberals react when the militant gay rights agenda clashes with the militant mulsim agenda. Right now they can support both because they are both anti christian and anti jew. Eventually the two will but heads. Now I know who is going to win that confrontation, the muslims, but it will be interesting to watch the libs try to figure out who they support.

What I want to see is how the liberals react when the militant gay rights agenda clashes with the militant mulsim agenda. Right now they can support both because they are both anti christian and anti jew. Eventually the two will but heads. Now I know who is going to win that confrontation, the muslims, but it will be interesting to watch the libs try to figure out who they support.

It IS a fascination dynamic in play. In countries where Muslims are in the minority they relentlessly fight for tolerance and equal rights. Not so surprisingly, in countries where Muslims are in the majority, there are no rights for minorities like christians, jews and gays.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

What I want to see is how the liberals react when the militant gay rights agenda clashes with the militant mulsim agenda. Right now they can support both because they are both anti christian and anti jew. Eventually the two will but heads. Now I know who is going to win that confrontation, the muslims, but it will be interesting to watch the libs try to figure out who they support.

There are armed gay rights terrorists now??? Time to build a fallout shelter for sure

Well at one time I thought you might be a little different but I see now I was wrong. Oh well. I'll try to explain. I'm not talking about violent people. I'm talking about the constant demands that they make. They are never satisfied. Getting states to recognize their marriage is not enough. They don't ask to be tolerated. They demand that you accept them. Eventually they'll demand that churches accept them and that gay clergy be hired. I will not be surprised to see them demand that sermons preaching against homosexuality be labled as hate speech. If you say you are against homosexuality then you are accused of hating gays. There have been hints of this out in San Francisco. Now the question is will they make these same demands of Mulsims that they make of Christians? I'm betting they will and the muslims won't tolerate it. You saw the little tweet where they talked about throwing homosexuals off the tower of Pisa. Now it's a bit amusing because they seem to think it was in Rome and they misspelled it but make no mistake about it, homosexuality is not even tolerated, much less accepted by Islam and they won't hesitate to kill you or run you off if you are one.

Go to any European city and see how things are now. Paris, London, Amsterdam any one you can think of and you'll find what I'm talking about. Liberals have been appeasing these people all across the continent for years and they just keep demanding more. The gays have been much the same way here in this country, demanding and getting more. They are like the militant feminists that hate men. Islam treats women like property and a man can do with a woman whatever he pleases but you never hear the NOW gang speak out against them. Eventually all these preferred groups will clash and libs will be forced to choose. Standing on the sideline won't be an option. I will be watching with great interest to see what they do.

It is painfully obvious that your political thinking is based in irrational fears and bigoted prejudices. Please, please post more often. No one has the ability to discredit your thinking as much as you, yourself.

[aubfaninga 16]

What I want to see is how the liberals react when the militant gay rights agenda clashes with the militant mulsim agenda. Right now they can support both because they are both anti christian and anti jew. Eventually the two will but heads. Now I know who is going to win that confrontation, the muslims, but it will be interesting to watch the libs try to figure out who they support.

There are armed gay rights terrorists now??? Time to build a fallout shelter for sure

Well at one time I thought you might be a little different but I see now I was wrong. Oh well. I'll try to explain. I'm not talking about violent people. I'm talking about the constant demands that they make. They are never satisfied. Getting states to recognize their marriage is not enough. They don't ask to be tolerated. They demand that you accept them. Eventually they'll demand that churches accept them and that gay clergy be hired. I will not be surprised to see them demand that sermons preaching against homosexuality be labled as hate speech. If you say you are against homosexuality then you are accused of hating gays. There have been hints of this out in San Francisco. Now the question is will they make these same demands of Mulsims that they make of Christians? I'm betting they will and the muslims won't tolerate it. You saw the little tweet where they talked about throwing homosexuals off the tower of Pisa. Now it's a bit amusing because they seem to think it was in Rome and they misspelled it but make no mistake about it, homosexuality is not even tolerated, much less accepted by Islam and they won't hesitate to kill you or run you off if you are one.

Go to any European city and see how things are now. Paris, London, Amsterdam any one you can think of and you'll find what I'm talking about. Liberals have been appeasing these people all across the continent for years and they just keep demanding more. The gays have been much the same way here in this country, demanding and getting more. They are like the militant feminists that hate men. Islam treats women like property and a man can do with a woman whatever he pleases but you never hear the NOW gang speak out against them. Eventually all these preferred groups will clash and libs will be forced to choose. Standing on the sideline won't be an option. I will be watching with great interest to see what they do.

It is painfully obvious that your political thinking is based in irrational fears and bigoted prejudices. Please, please post more often. No one has the ability to discredit your thinking as much as you, yourself.

He is definately something special.

I am against SSM but to think Pro gay rights is militant toward my faith is a little dramatic.

[Weegle777 78]

This is directed to believers:

If you refuse to sell your product to a person that lives the homosexual life, because you think it "conflicts with your beliefs", then you should refuse to sell your product to those who have been divorced, those who have stolen, those who have lied, those who have taken a life, those who have looked at porn, those who have done good things for others, those who have been angry at others, and so on. It's very hypocritical.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

This is directed to believers:

If you refuse to sell your product to a person that lives the homosexual life, because you think it "conflicts with your beliefs",

Full stop. No one is asking for the right to do this. Even the florist in question clearly states that she serves gay customers and has happily served them for years (the couple who sued her included).

[icanthearyou 4,462]

This is directed to believers:

If you refuse to sell your product to a person that lives the homosexual life, because you think it "conflicts with your beliefs", then you should refuse to sell your product to those who have been divorced, those who have stolen, those who have lied, those who have taken a life, those who have looked at porn, those who have done good things for others, those who have been angry at others, and so on. It's very hypocritical.

For the most part, Weegs, I agree. In order for your "beliefs" to be legitimate and valid, I think you have to put up a sign that reads, "we will only serve those who believe in Christ and, never intend to commit any sin, ever again".

I do not believe that is reasonable or, respects the rights of others under the law. However, if like minded people want to live on a commune and practice such beliefs, would that be acceptable?

Frankly, I would just go somewhere else but, in such a litigious society, I see how this molehill becomes a mountain. Not that I see the issue of gay rights being a molehill but rather, the desire for everyone to immediately "fall in line".

[Weegle777 78]

Fall in line with what?

[Weegle777 78]

This is directed to believers:

If you refuse to sell your product to a person that lives the homosexual life, because you think it "conflicts with your beliefs",

Full stop. No one is asking for the right to do this. Even the florist in question clearly states that she serves gay customers and has happily served them for years (the couple who sued her included).

Then what's the problem?

[TitanTiger 20,472]

This is directed to believers:

If you refuse to sell your product to a person that lives the homosexual life, because you think it "conflicts with your beliefs",

Full stop. No one is asking for the right to do this. Even the florist in question clearly states that she serves gay customers and has happily served them for years (the couple who sued her included).

Then what's the problem?

Have you really not read her complaint or that of others forced into this situation? Or the many debates that have been had on this very forum over this issue?

[Weegle777 78]

Really? Of course.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

Really? Of course.

Then you should know why there is still a problem in her view.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

Fall in line with what?

Wow! That is a much better, and much deeper question, than it appears on the surface. I was offended by my own immediate response. Perhaps it is more than just being litigious. I am going to have to think about it.

[Weegle777 78]

Really? Of course.

Then you should know why there is still a problem in her view.

Could it be that she has an erroneous, religiously institutionalized view?

[cooltigger21 0]

Really? Of course.

Then you should know why there is still a problem in her view.

Could it be that she has an erroneous, religiously institutionalized view?

Well she has that right whether you agree with the view or not. She is simply refusing to be a participant in the event. The state is forcing her to violate her beliefs and they don't have the authority to do that.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

Really? Of course.

Then you should know why there is still a problem in her view.

Could it be that she has an erroneous, religiously institutionalized view?

Could it be that you still don't understand the nature of her objection?

[AUTUmike 79]

A Christian florist who was cited as being discriminatory for refusing to provide flowers for a same sex wedding has refused to take a deal for the Atty. General.

Leftists keep pushing their agenda of forced acceptance. They talk of tolerance and diversity but they are the most intolerant bunch you'll ever see. You can have your religious beliefs but you can't act on them outside of your home. http://www.foxnews.c...ont-betray-her/

That's exactly what many Christians were saying to resist integration.

homer your nonsensical arguments wear thin after a while. Liberals will go out of their way to trample rights of Christians but will bend over backwards to accommodate a Muslim. Right now they go after businesses. Its rather ironic because all these moral perversions that liberals love to promote will not be tolerated at all if Islam keeps marching forward like it is now.

Please explain how that argument was in any way "nonsensical."

A public business simply cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, sexuality, etc.

If i open an all male athletic club, i can discriminate.

Private businesses can discriminate. There is nothing stopping them.

No shoes, No shirt, No business?

Cash Only?

No Checks?

No drinking on premises?

No smoking?

No one under 18 admitted?

Businesses discriminate all the time.

Factually, wrong. Businesses cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, or sexuality. Your emboldened list does not at all constitute discrimination of a particular set of people--it applies to all. If, for example, a business attempted to only allow latino patrons to smoke, then that would be discriminatory.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

A Christian florist who was cited as being discriminatory for refusing to provide flowers for a same sex wedding has refused to take a deal for the Atty. General.

Leftists keep pushing their agenda of forced acceptance. They talk of tolerance and diversity but they are the most intolerant bunch you'll ever see. You can have your religious beliefs but you can't act on them outside of your home. http://www.foxnews.c...ont-betray-her/

That's exactly what many Christians were saying to resist integration.

homer your nonsensical arguments wear thin after a while. Liberals will go out of their way to trample rights of Christians but will bend over backwards to accommodate a Muslim. Right now they go after businesses. Its rather ironic because all these moral perversions that liberals love to promote will not be tolerated at all if Islam keeps marching forward like it is now.

Please explain how that argument was in any way "nonsensical."

A public business simply cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, sexuality, etc.

If i open an all male athletic club, i can discriminate.

Private businesses can discriminate. There is nothing stopping them.

No shoes, No shirt, No business?

Cash Only?

No Checks?

No drinking on premises?

No smoking?

No one under 18 admitted?

Businesses discriminate all the time.

Factually, wrong. Businesses cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, or sexuality. Your emboldened list does not at all constitute discrimination of a particular set of people--it applies to all. If, for example, a business attempted to only allow latino patrons to smoke, then that would be discriminatory.

Curves only allows women to join.

[DKW 86 7,419]

A Christian florist who was cited as being discriminatory for refusing to provide flowers for a same sex wedding has refused to take a deal for the Atty. General.

Leftists keep pushing their agenda of forced acceptance. They talk of tolerance and diversity but they are the most intolerant bunch you'll ever see. You can have your religious beliefs but you can't act on them outside of your home. http://www.foxnews.c...ont-betray-her/

That's exactly what many Christians were saying to resist integration.

homer your nonsensical arguments wear thin after a while. Liberals will go out of their way to trample rights of Christians but will bend over backwards to accommodate a Muslim. Right now they go after businesses. Its rather ironic because all these moral perversions that liberals love to promote will not be tolerated at all if Islam keeps marching forward like it is now.

Please explain how that argument was in any way "nonsensical."

A public business simply cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, sexuality, etc.

If i open an all male athletic club, i can discriminate.

Private businesses can discriminate. There is nothing stopping them.

No shoes, No shirt, No business?

Cash Only?

No Checks?

No drinking on premises?

No smoking?

No one under 18 admitted?

Businesses discriminate all the time.

Factually, wrong. Businesses cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, or sexuality. Your emboldened list does not at all constitute discrimination of a particular set of people--it applies to all. If, for example, a business attempted to only allow latino patrons to smoke, then that would be discriminatory.

Curves only allows women to join.

He missed the opening points and focused on the secondary points. But back to his point, i did skip over sexual orientation and race. Those are not allowed nor should be. My primary point was that businesses DO discriminate and get away with it, just not in those two areas.

[Weegle777 78]

Really? Of course.

Then you should know why there is still a problem in her view.

Could it be that she has an erroneous, religiously institutionalized view?

Could it be that you still don't understand the nature of her objection?

Well explain what I supposedly don't understand.

[Aufan59 61]

Well explain what I supposedly don't understand.

The argument is that it is not discrimination, because she has previously served and will continue to serve homosexuals, just not homosexual weddings.

I understand your confusion, it is complete nonsense.

It would be like a store having a no black Friday, and claiming it is not discriminatory because they do serve blacks on the other days.

[homersapien 11,366]

A Christian florist who was cited as being discriminatory for refusing to provide flowers for a same sex wedding has refused to take a deal for the Atty. General.

Leftists keep pushing their agenda of forced acceptance. They talk of tolerance and diversity but they are the most intolerant bunch you'll ever see. You can have your religious beliefs but you can't act on them outside of your home. http://www.foxnews.c...ont-betray-her/

That's exactly what many Christians were saying to resist integration.

homer your nonsensical arguments wear thin after a while. Liberals will go out of their way to trample rights of Christians but will bend over backwards to accommodate a Muslim. Right now they go after businesses. Its rather ironic because all these moral perversions that liberals love to promote will not be tolerated at all if Islam keeps marching forward like it is now.

Please explain how that argument was in any way "nonsensical."

A public business simply cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, sexuality, etc.

If i open an all male athletic club, i can discriminate.

Private businesses can discriminate. There is nothing stopping them.

No shoes, No shirt, No business?

Cash Only?

No Checks?

No drinking on premises?

No smoking?

No one under 18 admitted?

Businesses discriminate all the time.

Factually, wrong. Businesses cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, or sexuality. Your emboldened list does not at all constitute discrimination of a particular set of people--it applies to all. If, for example, a business attempted to only allow latino patrons to smoke, then that would be discriminatory.

Correct, but too nuanced to stick.

[homersapien 11,366]

A Christian florist who was cited as being discriminatory for refusing to provide flowers for a same sex wedding has refused to take a deal for the Atty. General.

Leftists keep pushing their agenda of forced acceptance. They talk of tolerance and diversity but they are the most intolerant bunch you'll ever see. You can have your religious beliefs but you can't act on them outside of your home. http://www.foxnews.c...ont-betray-her/

That's exactly what many Christians were saying to resist integration.

homer your nonsensical arguments wear thin after a while. Liberals will go out of their way to trample rights of Christians but will bend over backwards to accommodate a Muslim. Right now they go after businesses. Its rather ironic because all these moral perversions that liberals love to promote will not be tolerated at all if Islam keeps marching forward like it is now.

Please explain how that argument was in any way "nonsensical."

A public business simply cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, sexuality, etc.

If i open an all male athletic club, i can discriminate.

Private businesses can discriminate. There is nothing stopping them.

No shoes, No shirt, No business?

Cash Only?

No Checks?

No drinking on premises?

No smoking?

No one under 18 admitted?

Businesses discriminate all the time.

Factually, wrong. Businesses cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, or sexuality. Your emboldened list does not at all constitute discrimination of a particular set of people--it applies to all. If, for example, a business attempted to only allow latino patrons to smoke, then that would be discriminatory.

Curves only allows women to join.

Has anyone tested their policy?

[homersapien 11,366]

Well explain what I supposedly don't understand.

The argument is that it is not discrimination, because she has previously served and will continue to serve homosexuals, just not homosexual weddings.

I understand your confusion, it is complete nonsense.

It would be like a store having a no black Friday, and claiming it is not discriminatory because they do serve blacks on the other days.

Or more like a no black product. Blacks can't buy "wedding" cakes.

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

In this case it seems she has no problem allowing anyone to be her clients. She just does not want to supply for a wedding. Long as she views it this way for all other marriages (like polygamy or something else also) then I don't have a problem with that.

Stick a sign in the window, All clients welcome but will only service heterosexual weddings. Like the people that didn't want to host the actual wedding somewhere else, but had no issue with holding the reception or any other services the couple would of wished for.

Like if you are a devout Catholic gyno. Notify the public you do not prescribe birth control before hand.

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

A Christian florist who was cited as being discriminatory for refusing to provide flowers for a same sex wedding has refused to take a deal for the Atty. General.

Leftists keep pushing their agenda of forced acceptance. They talk of tolerance and diversity but they are the most intolerant bunch you'll ever see. You can have your religious beliefs but you can't act on them outside of your home. http://www.foxnews.c...ont-betray-her/

That's exactly what many Christians were saying to resist integration.

homer your nonsensical arguments wear thin after a while. Liberals will go out of their way to trample rights of Christians but will bend over backwards to accommodate a Muslim. Right now they go after businesses. Its rather ironic because all these moral perversions that liberals love to promote will not be tolerated at all if Islam keeps marching forward like it is now.

Please explain how that argument was in any way "nonsensical."

A public business simply cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, sexuality, etc.

If i open an all male athletic club, i can discriminate.

Private businesses can discriminate. There is nothing stopping them.

No shoes, No shirt, No business?

Cash Only?

No Checks?

No drinking on premises?

No smoking?

No one under 18 admitted?

Businesses discriminate all the time.

Factually, wrong. Businesses cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, race, or sexuality. Your emboldened list does not at all constitute discrimination of a particular set of people--it applies to all. If, for example, a business attempted to only allow latino patrons to smoke, then that would be discriminatory.

Curves only allows women to join.

Has anyone tested their policy?

Hey. Lets test the ultimate. Let's go through sorority rush at Auburn this Fall man!

I actually understand why women prefer to have their own workout facilities to be honest.