My son was never a violent man

[AUUSN 823]

But he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong.

So you don't think the police need to consider different approachs like community policing?

The problem is that with the massive amount of coverage by the media on this subject, police all across the country are now seen as the enemy. How many stories of cops doing great things in the communities are shown on the news compared to the stories where they shoot somebody?You don't see them because those don't generate clicks. The bad stuff does. No amount of community policing will help if the media keeps showing the 1 time out of 100 where a cop has to use his weapon.Until the news media realizes that they are the problem, nothing will help the Police's image.

Let's try this.What did you mean by: "he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong."It sounded like community policing, walking around, getting to know the people you police. To Improve policing necessarily means changing from what you are doing. Frankly, that's a strange perception to take on it. It sounds like someone who doesn't recognize the need for a different approach. Do you feel that changes are needed in places like Ferguson and/or other places with community/police relations are poor?And those conditions exist regardless of media coverage of the problem. Pointing a finger at media is not facing the actual problem.

And what I'm promoting is already happening: Measurable SuccessDrawing upon the principles of community-oriented and intelligence-led policing, integrated with the military counterinsurgency model and lessons learned at Avghani, law enforcement in Springfield has made great inroads over the past year with limited resources. The agency has

• established weekly community meetings at Edgewater Apartments;
  
• developed the C³ Policing Initiative and mission statement;⁶
  
• recruited faith-based groups as active participants;
  
• conducted several neighborhood walks to establish and maintain contact with residents of the North End region;
  
• distributed materials, printed in both English and Spanish, with information on available social and educational programs to assist residents and the community;
  
• provided public service announcements on a local Spanish speaking radio station;
  
• promoted and expanded the Text-A-Tip program;
  
• established a Street Leader program whereby vetted community residents report criminal or gang-related activity to law enforcement;
  
• partnered with the Springfield Department of Public Works and local schools to clean blighted areas and erect signage announcing the anticrime initiative;
  
• partnered with local schools to provide information discouraging gang involvement to students;
  
• established rapport with local youth community;
  
• through cooperative efforts with area social support agencies such as the YMCA and the Massachusetts Career Development Institute, provided counseling, mentoring, education, and training opportunities to youths formerly involved with gang activity;
  
• established a program to remove gang graffiti markings from the North End community;
  
• conducted high-profile law enforcement sweeps targeting those involved in illegal narcotics, gang, and weapons violations;
  
• collected significant information and intelligence relating to criminal activity in the community;
  
• developed and continue to publish weekly intelligence summary reports for distribution to Springfield police and state police officers and specialized support units; and
  
• established communication between support agencies and units. http://www.policechi...&issue_id=92011
  

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[tgr4lfe 220]

But he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong.

So you don't think the police need to consider different approachs like community policing?

The problem is that with the massive amount of coverage by the media on this subject, police all across the country are now seen as the enemy. How many stories of cops doing great things in the communities are shown on the news compared to the stories where they shoot somebody?

You don't see them because those don't generate clicks. The bad stuff does. No amount of community policing will help if the media keeps showing the 1 time out of 100 where a cop has to use his weapon.

Until the news media realizes that they are the problem, nothing will help the Police's image.

Let's try this.

What did you mean by: "he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong."

It sounded like community policing, walking around, getting to know the people you police. To Improve policing necessarily means changing from what you are doing.

Frankly, that's a strange perception to take on it. It sounds like someone who doesn't recognize the need for a different approach. Do you feel that changes are needed in places like Ferguson and/or other places with community/police relations are poor?

And those conditions exist regardless of media coverage of the problem. Pointing a finger at media is not facing the actual problem.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. You no nothing about law enforcement. 461 people were killed by police in 2013 during arrest is promoted by the anti-police crowd, what is failed to be mentioned is that police made 12.2 MILLION arrests in 2013, meaning that 99.9962% of the time, police were able to take people into custody without a death occurring.

[AURaptor 1,121]

You trying to jumble up and manipulate words again. If you can't cite a time I've spoken to you about intelligence minus the times you said I was confused then you're lying.

I trying ? Really? No, I not trying. Do I have to do the math, or can I just flat out tell you that I am not lying, you can't prove that I'm lying, and , once again, you not agreeing with me doesn't make me a liar.

Yes what I said was tied up in this topic, but once again you came into the SAE thread and started talking about Jameis Winston.

I didn't START talking about J.W., did I ? ( * EDIT * No, I did NOT start out talking about JW. In fact, on page 1 of that thread, I talked SPECIFICALLY about the SAEs. It wasn't until 5 pages later, as the discussion raged on for a while, that I did bring up JW, but only as a COMPARISON to what happened to the SAE's, as 2 had been expelled since the story broke ) I just had an idea that a school did nothing to an athlete, but then another school did far worse to non athletes, who weren't even in a public setting, might be an interesting side by side.

AUUSN mentioned to you it had nothing to do with the topic, then PT mentioned the two policemen being shot and you quoted him as well. So my point is you came in a thread and mentioned things that didn't have anything to do with topic and didn't have a problem with it. Someone else did in the same thread and you didn't have a problem with it. So I don't see any need of you trying to police and chastise me. Because I'm sure that's not the only time you've done so.

I generally ignore USN guy, as a rule. If I respond to something PT said, or anyone else said, then so what ? The difference, I started the thread on Mr never violent son , as I thought it worth mentioning. If you don't, that's fine. Just don't reply. See how easy that was ?

Lastly once again if you don't try to tell me I'm confused I don't mention that I'm intelligent enough not to confuse myself (lol at how it makes you upset about my profession) and since you insulted my intelligence once again, I've done enough in my young life to prove I'm intelligent, you haven't offered anything on this board that ONE person here feels that you're on a higher level of intelligence that we are in awe. You're looked at as a regular guy like most here. Nobody says that Auraptor is a genius man....

Is misreading what others say a natural talent, or did you have to work on it ?

Hell, even my mom never called me a genius. Why the hell would you think I felt myself as one ?

[AUUSN 823]

It took some shoe leather, but the officers embedded themselves in the hearts and minds of their community, and eventually began holding neighborhood meetings that brought many community leaders together, some for the first time. That led to the creation of a “walking school bus,” where officers escort neighborhood kids to school in areas where that sort of activity used to be considered dangerous, creating a strong visual of police taking back the streets from gangs.

Thanks to these tactics, Stahl noted that violent crime in the worst parts of Springfield fell 25 percent in 2012, while drug arrests dropped roughly 50 percent.

“If the government is not going to do it, and individuals are not going to do it, why can’t police partner up with the community and say, ‘Hey, here’s a plan. This is what we want to do to help’?” Katone said. “Because the status quo of traditional policing, it just ain’t gonna work.” http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/police-in-springfield-mass-adopt-iraq-style-counterinsurgency-tactics/

[cole256 17,039]

Lol. Oh you crown your intelligence off of typos.....lmao. But yes absolutely if you say I become offended when someone disagree with me and I don't YOU ARE LYING. No doubt about it. And the way you are avoiding to acknowledge the direct correlation between you constantly telling me I'm confusing myself and my reply I'm intelligent enough not to confuse myself is absolutely hilarious. But keep talking it up lol.

No you're a nobody you can't tell me what to reply to. Yes you did the same thing you're preaching to me about so shut up.

Someone who constantly wants to talk down to others feel they are enlightened. Just want to make sure that you know NOBODY thinks that you are.

[AURaptor 1,121]

You're actually not very smart at all. Thanks for proving it

Yes you did the same thing you're preaching to me about so shut up.

Even after I showed you that I did no such thing, you still insist that I did ?

Prove it, or apologize

And no, I'll not shut up.

[Weegle777 78]

But he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong.

So you don't think the police need to consider different approachs like community policing?

The problem is that with the massive amount of coverage by the media on this subject, police all across the country are now seen as the enemy. How many stories of cops doing great things in the communities are shown on the news compared to the stories where they shoot somebody?

You don't see them because those don't generate clicks. The bad stuff does. No amount of community policing will help if the media keeps showing the 1 time out of 100 where a cop has to use his weapon.

Until the news media realizes that they are the problem, nothing will help the Police's image.

Let's try this.

What did you mean by: "he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong."

It sounded like community policing, walking around, getting to know the people you police. To Improve policing necessarily means changing from what you are doing.

Frankly, that's a strange perception to take on it. It sounds like someone who doesn't recognize the need for a different approach. Do you feel that changes are needed in places like Ferguson and/or other places with community/police relations are poor?

And those conditions exist regardless of media coverage of the problem. Pointing a finger at media is not facing the actual problem.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. You no nothing about law enforcement. 461 people were killed by police in 2013 during arrest is promoted by the anti-police crowd, what is failed to be mentioned is that police made 12.2 MILLION arrests in 2013, meaning that 99.9962% of the time, police were able to take people into custody without a death occurring.

Exactly. This is what I am talking about. When you look through the lens of a camera, what you see is what it's pointed toward. That is what the public sees, therefore police are evil. Look broadly. There are thousands of police men and women who help thousands of citizens every day. These shootings are small in comparison.

[Weegle777 78]

Don't get me wrong AUUSN, I am not saying that what you are saying isn't a good idea, and I apologize for my snippy post, police need to get to know who they police, but what I am saying is that the issue isn't as widespread as the media would have us believe.

[cole256 17,039]

You're actually not very smart at all. Thanks for proving it

Yes you did the same thing you're preaching to me about so shut up.

Even after I showed you that I did no such thing, you still insist that I did ?

:laugh:/>

Prove it, or apologize

And no, I'll not shut up.

You interjected an idea and so did I. You proved nothing. No actually I've already asked you to cite where I was offended or brought up anything about my intelligence before you made a claim that I was confused. And also let's not forget you said I do that all the time to a point where you said it was a tactic that I used. So once again cite it. I like the apologize part though. So it's on record I asked you that first, today, in this thread.

You may as well shut up regarding me because your words mean absolutely nothing.

As far as I'm not intelligent....Ok. What do you do again? I've asked this a couple of times. I was just wondering where you get your false confidence from. But you telling me I'm not intelligence is about the same as you telling me I can't hoop......I'm sure you have no talent, potential, our expertise to rate me either way so....

[AUUSN 823]

Don't get me wrong AUUSN, I am not saying that what you are saying isn't a good idea, and I apologize for my snippy post, police need to get to know who they police, but what I am saying is that the issue isn't as widespread as the media would have us believe.

I hear you and the type of policing I'm promoting would'nt work everywhere.

[AURaptor 1,121]

You interjected an idea and so did I. You proved nothing.

Actually, I did. I proved your claim that I "started " with Jameis in that other thread to be false. AND, I directly tied it to the current thread, where as you did nothing of the sort.

No actually I've already asked you to cite where I was offended or brought up anything about my intelligence before you made a claim that I was confused. And also let's not forget you said I do that all the time to a point where you said it was a tactic that I used. So once again cite it. I like the apologize part though. So it's on record I asked you that first, today, in this thread.

You can ask all you like.

You may as well shut up regarding me because your words mean absolutely nothing.

The ignore feature is yours to use, genius.

As far as I'm not intelligent....Ok. What do you do again? I've asked this a couple of times. I was just wondering where you get your false confidence from. But you telling me I'm not intelligence is about the same as you telling me I can't hoop......I'm sure you have no talent, potential, our expertise to rate me either way so....

And you're petty as well.

But my comment has zero do to w/ confidence, false or otherwise. I'm just observing from what you say here, and what you DON'T say, how you're willing to dodge topics and direct questions, when even asked in a polite, non threatening manner.

Consider yourself rated.

[AUFAN78 3,889]

But he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong.

So you don't think the police need to consider different approachs like community policing?

The problem is that with the massive amount of coverage by the media on this subject, police all across the country are now seen as the enemy. How many stories of cops doing great things in the communities are shown on the news compared to the stories where they shoot somebody?

You don't see them because those don't generate clicks. The bad stuff does. No amount of community policing will help if the media keeps showing the 1 time out of 100 where a cop has to use his weapon.

Until the news media realizes that they are the problem, nothing will help the Police's image.

Let's try this.

What did you mean by: "he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong."

It sounded like community policing, walking around, getting to know the people you police. To Improve policing necessarily means changing from what you are doing.

Frankly, that's a strange perception to take on it. It sounds like someone who doesn't recognize the need for a different approach. Do you feel that changes are needed in places like Ferguson and/or other places with community/police relations are poor?

And those conditions exist regardless of media coverage of the problem. Pointing a finger at media is not facing the actual problem.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. You no nothing about law enforcement. 461 people were killed by police in 2013 during arrest is promoted by the anti-police crowd, what is failed to be mentioned is that police made 12.2 MILLION arrests in 2013, meaning that 99.9962% of the time, police were able to take people into custody without a death occurring.

Exactly. This is what I am talking about. When you look through the lens of a camera, what you see is what it's pointed toward. That is what the public sees, therefore police are evil. Look broadly. There are thousands of police men and women who help thousands of citizens every day. These shootings are small in comparison.

Look broadly? What news source does that? Why don't they?

Does the audience have the ability to look broadly? Do they?

Great point about the lens of the camera. Why is it pointed in this particular direction?

BTW, Thanks for the stats tgr4lfe. Doubt seriously we'd see them in our daily dose.

[homersapien 11,353]

But he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong.

So you don't think the police need to consider different approachs like community policing?

The problem is that with the massive amount of coverage by the media on this subject, police all across the country are now seen as the enemy. How many stories of cops doing great things in the communities are shown on the news compared to the stories where they shoot somebody?

You don't see them because those don't generate clicks. The bad stuff does. No amount of community policing will help if the media keeps showing the 1 time out of 100 where a cop has to use his weapon.

Until the news media realizes that they are the problem, nothing will help the Police's image.

Let's try this.

What did you mean by: "he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong."

It sounded like community policing, walking around, getting to know the people you police. To Improve policing necessarily means changing from what you are doing.

Frankly, that's a strange perception to take on it. It sounds like someone who doesn't recognize the need for a different approach. Do you feel that changes are needed in places like Ferguson and/or other places with community/police relations are poor?

And those conditions exist regardless of media coverage of the problem. Pointing a finger at media is not facing the actual problem.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. You no nothing about law enforcement. 461 people were killed by police in 2013 during arrest is promoted by the anti-police crowd, what is failed to be mentioned is that police made 12.2 MILLION arrests in 2013, meaning that 99.9962% of the time, police were able to take people into custody without a death occurring.

Wow. Don't know what you heard but it's certainly not what I said. Not even close.

My post was directed toward Weegle's begging-the-question language.

And I do "no" there are communities in which the police are considered as adversaries, if not enemies. I think the community policing approach sounds like a good model to address that problem.

So, if you want to use statistics to deny there's a problem anywhere, then just say so. That's apparently what you believe.

Oh, and obviously, there's an infinity of things in my post that were "failed to be mentioned". :-\

[autigeremt 6,569]

But he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong.

So you don't think the police need to consider different approachs like community policing?

The problem is that with the massive amount of coverage by the media on this subject, police all across the country are now seen as the enemy. How many stories of cops doing great things in the communities are shown on the news compared to the stories where they shoot somebody?

You don't see them because those don't generate clicks. The bad stuff does. No amount of community policing will help if the media keeps showing the 1 time out of 100 where a cop has to use his weapon.

Until the news media realizes that they are the problem, nothing will help the Police's image.

Let's try this.

What did you mean by: "he and the rest of the military tried to tell the police that they were doing their jobs all wrong."

It sounded like community policing, walking around, getting to know the people you police. To Improve policing necessarily means changing from what you are doing.

Frankly, that's a strange perception to take on it. It sounds like someone who doesn't recognize the need for a different approach. Do you feel that changes are needed in places like Ferguson and/or other places with community/police relations are poor?

And those conditions exist regardless of media coverage of the problem. Pointing a finger at media is not facing the actual problem.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. You no nothing about law enforcement. 461 people were killed by police in 2013 during arrest is promoted by the anti-police crowd, what is failed to be mentioned is that police made 12.2 MILLION arrests in 2013, meaning that 99.9962% of the time, police were able to take people into custody without a death occurring.

Wow. Don't know what you heard but it's certainly not what I said. Not even close.

My post was directed toward Weegle's begging-the-question language.

And I do "no" there are communities in which the police are considered as adversaries, if not enemies. I think the community policing approach sounds like a good model to address that problem.

So, if you want to use statistics to deny there's a problem anywhere, then just say so. That's apparently what you believe.

Oh, and obviously, there's an infinity of things in my post that were "failed to be mentioned". :-\/>

Popcorn. Check

Drink. Check

"No". Check

Tab please. Lol

[AUFAN78 3,889]

I heard this discussed today and frankly don't know the answer. Maybe you do.

If you recall, there was a recent case where an Auburn cop was terminated. I can't recall the specifics but, I believe many thought it was related to ticket quota's.

If the same quota approach was employed at Ferguson what would the results of tickets issued be by race? The caller cited an approximate 70% African American population. Given that fact one might envision 7 in 10.

What are the actual stats in Ferguson by %?

I also found it interesting that the caller intimated the quota system is commonplace. Hopefully one of our LEO's can confirm or deny.