cooltigger21 0 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Meridith Shiner believes that the idea of our rights are not God given but come from man. I know Yahoo isn't considered a major or mainstream news outlet but a lot of people, especially young people go to places like this for their news. I actually feel sorry for her because wherever she went to school, they really did her a major disservice. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2015/03/23/yahoo-political-reporter-cruz-talking-about-god-given-rights-bizarre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,469 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 He's in good company. Practically all our founders also believed our rights are derived from God and not mere man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,121 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 But.. govt is the ONE thing we ALL belong to ! Right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBags7277 734 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 As Orwell put it, in a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufan59 51 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Arguing who gives us rights is pointless. What matters is who protects those rights. Man, and law created by man, does the best job at protecting those rights. Would we even need laws like the Bill of Rights if some supernatural force protected our rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mims44 1,864 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Actually the wording is "endowed by their creator" I've always thought that they were being forward thinking when writing this, since saying creator covers all bases. Any belief has a creator or creators. It stops any argument that could have came up if they used God/YHWH/Elohim/Shiva/etc since that would have given license to others to restrict rights based on their belief system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Actually the wording is "endowed by their creator" I've always thought that they were being forward thinking when writing this, since saying creator covers all bases. Any belief has a creator or creators. It stops any argument that could have came up if they used God/YHWH/Elohim/Shiva/etc since that would have given license to others to restrict rights based on their belief system. OK Yeah. We're sort of splitting hairs but that's a good way to put it. I see more and more examples of the idea that these rights come from man rather than their creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,456 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Even if you don't "believe" in God...He believes in You. We are given or rights by THE Creator... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufan59 51 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Even if you don't "believe" in God...He believes in You. We are given or rights by THE Creator... THE Creator can give us rights, but they are irrelevant if man can take them away. How relevant was "God a given rights to freedom" to slaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,352 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 God was kind of slow to warm up to women, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,121 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Even if you don't "believe" in God...He believes in You. We are given or rights by THE Creator... Who are you to speak for V'ger ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,410 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 God was kind of slow to warm up to women, too. You mean stupid ole man was slow to realize the obvious lesson from the Garden of Eden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubfaninga 16 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 God was kind of slow to warm up to women, too. ;D/> :-\ You have a better example of the treatment of slaves and women from 4000 years ago that you care to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mims44 1,864 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 God was kind of slow to warm up to women, too. ;D/> :-\You have a better example of the treatment of slaves and women from 4000 years ago that you care to share? Throughout multiple threads I've posted quite a few from the Old Testament that clearly puts women below men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Old Testament. Why do people keep bringing up an old covenant that has been done away with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubfaninga 16 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 God was kind of slow to warm up to women, too. ;D/> :-\/>You have a better example of the treatment of slaves and women from 4000 years ago that you care to share? Throughout multiple threads I've posted quite a few from the Old Testament that clearly puts women below men. You have posted things that clearly shows that the GOD of Abraham sees a clear distinction between a man and a woman. Nothing more and nothing less!There is nothing written that speaks of GOD putting women below men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubfaninga 16 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Old Testament. Why do people keep bringing up an old covenant that has been done away with? Why are you so ashamed of the god written about in Exodus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mims44 1,864 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Old Testament. Why do people keep bringing up an old covenant that has been done away with? If it holds no religious importance then it would not be included in your peoples holy book. Looking through the old testament I don't even see notes alongside the scripture that says "ignore this, not for christian beliefs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Old Testament. Why do people keep bringing up an old covenant that has been done away with? Why are you so ashamed of the god written about in Exodus? I'm not, but I am smart enough to understand why Jesus came here. And I understand the significance of what He did. The old covenant is of no value to me other than to give me a historical context of biblical figures and events and for me to derive wisdom from. I am under the New Covenant. Not the old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Old Testament. Why do people keep bringing up an old covenant that has been done away with? If it holds no religious importance then it would not be included in your peoples holy book. Looking through the old testament I don't even see notes alongside the scripture that says "ignore this, not for christian beliefs" I didn't say that it wasn't important, I said that it has been done away with. The New Covenant replaced the old. Your second statement is just funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubfaninga 16 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Old Testament. Why do people keep bringing up an old covenant that has been done away with? Why are you so ashamed of the god written about in Exodus? I'm not, but I am smart enough to understand why Jesus came here. And I understand the significance of what He did. The old covenant is of no value to me other than to give me a historical context of biblical figures and events and for me to derive wisdom from. I am under the New Covenant. Not the old. So allow me to play devils advocate then. The old testament testifies that GOD chose 3 people to lead Israel from bondage. 2 men and 1 women. The New Testament has Jesus choosing 12 apostles, then 1 replacement, and Paul with his 3 sidekicks. All male. The old testament never says that women should remain silent yet the New testament does. The old testament shows a women as a judge while the new testament shows a women washing feet. The testament has entire books written around women while the new testament has not even a letter. The Old Testament shows that women can claim inheritance and has laws that protect Women. The new is silent. What say you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Old Testament. Why do people keep bringing up an old covenant that has been done away with? Why are you so ashamed of the god written about in Exodus? I'm not, but I am smart enough to understand why Jesus came here. And I understand the significance of what He did. The old covenant is of no value to me other than to give me a historical context of biblical figures and events and for me to derive wisdom from. I am under the New Covenant. Not the old. So allow me to play devils advocate then. The old testament testifies that GOD chose 3 people to lead Israel from bondage. 2 men and 1 women. The New Testament has Jesus choosing 12 apostles, then 1 replacement, and Paul with his 3 sidekicks. All male. The old testament never says that women should remain silent yet the New testament does. The old testament shows a women as a judge while the new testament shows a women washing feet. The testament has entire books written around women while the new testament has not even a letter. The Old Testament shows that women can claim inheritance and has laws that protect Women. The new is silent. What say you? What specifically are you referencing? Paul states in Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,456 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Even if you don't "believe" in God...He believes in You. We are given or rights by THE Creator... THE Creator can give us rights, but they are irrelevant if man can take them away. How relevant was "God a given rights to freedom" to slaves? if I read my Bible correctly, and I did, God freed some Jewish slaves too!! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,802 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Even if you don't "believe" in God...He believes in You. We are given or rights by THE Creator... Who are you to speak for V'ger ? Who would listen to V'ger when the Cyclon God is speaking to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,410 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 And with that, i am off to find something to occupy my mind...Yall are too funny . V'ger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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