Indiana backlash grows ahead of Final Four

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Gays Hate America And Other Right-Wing Talking Points On Indiana

Right-wing talking heads have had a busy week defending Indiana's anti-LGBT "religious liberty" law, which critics say would allow business-owners to deny services to gay, lesbian and transgender people. They've also gone on the offensive, calling LGBT people everything from terrorists to America-haters. Here's a roundup of the most ridiculous reactions to the controversy:

LGBT Folk Are The REAL Bullies

Despite the fact that 83 percent of Americans identify as Christian -- that's 265 million people -- and LGBT folks account for around 3 percent of the population, one of the religious right's main talking points is that "religious liberty" is under attack by fascist LGBT people. And by under attack, they mean they are being forced to provide services to LGBT people on the same terms as they provide services to everyone else.

You have to give Fox News credit. They were able to find a gay conservative willing to spout this talking point. Speaking to Tucker Carlson, conservative radio host Tammy Bruce said, "[G]ay liberals have turned into bullies when our work is to stop that kind of behavior."

Scratch That; They're Terrorists

On "Fox & Friends," Bill O'Reilly went even further, comparing the outcry over Indiana's anti-LGBT law to the persecution of Christians in Kenya. "If you link everything together we just heard about terror attack in Kenya on Christians," O'Reilly said. "In the U.S. and in Western Europe you have a civil war between the secular progressives and traditional religious people. In both cases, Christians are targets."

In [insert Middle Eastern Country Here] They Kill Gays!

Another group right-wingers think have it made in the shade with Kool-Aid compared to conservative Christians are Muslims. So whenever LGBT people have the nerve to protest discrimination, they first have to condemn the violent treatment of gays in some Muslim countries, then be thankful they're not being thrown off roofs here in America.

Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas thinks gays should take the passage of discriminatory legislation in

stride because, he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, "In Iran, they hang you for the crime of being gay." So just be thankful, alright?

Opponents of Indiana Law Hate America

You'd think he's joking but he's not. Conservative radio host Mark Levin thinks that opponents of the Indiana law don't just hate Christians. "The people who oppose these laws hate liberty; they hate the Constitution," he said on his show earlier this week. "I'll go even further: They Hate America."

LGBT People Want To Close Down All The Churches

Mike Huckabee has LGBT people all figured out. According to the Fox host, "It won’t stop until there are no more churches, until there are no more people who are spreading the Gospel [...] and I’m talking now about the unabridged, unapologetic Gospel that is really God’s truth."

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be sure to click on the link to view the supporting video clips.

That's exactly what these people are after. You honestly think that all they are after is "equality" That is sadly naive. I said it before and I'll say it again. If we had Supreme court rulings or legislation that legalized SSM in all 50 states and made refusal to lend your talents to these events illegal, these people would not be satisfied with that.

No leftist activist is ever satisfied with things. They win one thing and then turn around and demand more. It never stops. There's already a group in Wyoming calling for churches that oppose SSM to have their tax exempt status taken away. That's only a small minority right now but you can bet they will start to gain more to their side as time goes on if we continue at the present pace. You said it yourself homer. If my religious freedom conflicts with something else outside the walls of the church then my religious freedom must lose. That's not religious freedom. The constitution says free exercise. Exercising my freedom doesn't end when I walk out the doors of the church building. Your inordinate fear of churches is really starting to get to you.

SSM and gay weddings and gay rights in general are just the latest in a long string of issues used by left wing activists for attacking traditional values in America. They use the same tactics on the environment, race, gun control, health care, taxes and anything else you can think of. This is just the flavor of the moment. These are alinskyites and they are following the playbook perfectly. These people have more in common with Lennin and Stalin than they do with Jefferson and Madison.

Good points CT. Im persuaded to believe that most of this extreme vitriol isn't even coming from members of the LGBT but rather extremist secular progressive activists who prefer to use brute political force to destroy opposition to their ideology. Its all about power and control and, it just so happens the cudgel, in this case, with which they're using to pound conservatism and all of its manifestations into submission, is gay marriage. However, this isn't even about gay marriage but more of a tactical strategy to sustain divisions that politically benefits the left which is the entire basis of the grievance industry which those on the left so eagerly propagate and gladly support.

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Shut it down!!! Hahahahaha

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

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Gays Hate America And Other Right-Wing Talking Points On Indiana

Right-wing talking heads have had a busy week defending Indiana's anti-LGBT "religious liberty" law, which critics say would allow business-owners to deny services to gay, lesbian and transgender people. They've also gone on the offensive, calling LGBT people everything from terrorists to America-haters. Here's a roundup of the most ridiculous reactions to the controversy:

LGBT Folk Are The REAL Bullies

Despite the fact that 83 percent of Americans identify as Christian -- that's 265 million people -- and LGBT folks account for around 3 percent of the population, one of the religious right's main talking points is that "religious liberty" is under attack by fascist LGBT people. And by under attack, they mean they are being forced to provide services to LGBT people on the same terms as they provide services to everyone else.

You have to give Fox News credit. They were able to find a gay conservative willing to spout this talking point. Speaking to Tucker Carlson, conservative radio host Tammy Bruce said, "[G]ay liberals have turned into bullies when our work is to stop that kind of behavior."

Scratch That; They're Terrorists

On "Fox & Friends," Bill O'Reilly went even further, comparing the outcry over Indiana's anti-LGBT law to the persecution of Christians in Kenya. "If you link everything together we just heard about terror attack in Kenya on Christians," O'Reilly said. "In the U.S. and in Western Europe you have a civil war between the secular progressives and traditional religious people. In both cases, Christians are targets."

In [insert Middle Eastern Country Here] They Kill Gays!

Another group right-wingers think have it made in the shade with Kool-Aid compared to conservative Christians are Muslims. So whenever LGBT people have the nerve to protest discrimination, they first have to condemn the violent treatment of gays in some Muslim countries, then be thankful they're not being thrown off roofs here in America.

Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas thinks gays should take the passage of discriminatory legislation in

stride because, he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, "In Iran, they hang you for the crime of being gay." So just be thankful, alright?

Opponents of Indiana Law Hate America

You'd think he's joking but he's not. Conservative radio host Mark Levin thinks that opponents of the Indiana law don't just hate Christians. "The people who oppose these laws hate liberty; they hate the Constitution," he said on his show earlier this week. "I'll go even further: They Hate America."

LGBT People Want To Close Down All The Churches

Mike Huckabee has LGBT people all figured out. According to the Fox host, "It won’t stop until there are no more churches, until there are no more people who are spreading the Gospel [...] and I’m talking now about the unabridged, unapologetic Gospel that is really God’s truth."

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be sure to click on the link to view the supporting video clips.

That's exactly what these people are after. You honestly think that all they are after is "equality" That is sadly naive. I said it before and I'll say it again. If we had Supreme court rulings or legislation that legalized SSM in all 50 states and made refusal to lend your talents to these events illegal, these people would not be satisfied with that.

No leftist activist is ever satisfied with things. They win one thing and then turn around and demand more. It never stops. There's already a group in Wyoming calling for churches that oppose SSM to have their tax exempt status taken away. That's only a small minority right now but you can bet they will start to gain more to their side as time goes on if we continue at the present pace. You said it yourself homer. If my religious freedom conflicts with something else outside the walls of the church then my religious freedom must lose. That's not religious freedom. The constitution says free exercise. Exercising my freedom doesn't end when I walk out the doors of the church building. Your inordinate fear of churches is really starting to get to you.

SSM and gay weddings and gay rights in general are just the latest in a long string of issues used by left wing activists for attacking traditional values in America. They use the same tactics on the environment, race, gun control, health care, taxes and anything else you can think of. This is just the flavor of the moment. These are alinskyites and they are following the playbook perfectly. These people have more in common with Lennin and Stalin than they do with Jefferson and Madison.

You all that from both sides. It isn't just a left thing.

You got Lebera or whatever his name was that said Fox news was too gay friendly and should apologize to all conservative. You got guys like Nugent that will blame anything he can on someone on the left, military suicides result due to Obama. You got Lawrence Jones that was allowed into a Muslim meeting for a period of time and just cause they didn't want to let him be party to all their business everything they did was a act and plot to destroy America. You got guys like O'Keefe and his new recent thing, where he put Muslims in demonstrations against the police and tried to incite them to incite the crowd into violence. You got that crazy lady that ran that Jesus Camp and was arming youth as soldiers to fight. You had the guy in Birmingham that walked in purposefully with his gun into a voting station despite weapons clearly being disallowed there.

Are there people that would like to wipe out the church..........yes. Are there people that would like to force church on people............yes. Are there people that force no guns...............yes. Are there people that think I should be able to take my gun everywhere...............yes. It can go on and on and on. There is two sides to this game. Are there individuals on the left that would love to just have the run of the mill and do anything and everything they please.............absolutely. Are there individuals on the right that want the same thing..................absolutely. There is a ton of it that is nothing more than just a power play by both sides in many incidents. Sure there are those on the left that would love to attack and destroy traditional values, just like there are those on the right that would love to jam them down peoples throats and make them submit to them.

I said it once I will say it again. I got no issues with them voting that certain services do not have to provide said service to patrons if it violates their religious beliefs. Just make them put it in signage on the door so there is no confusion and make sure the claim is legitimate. Then don't let these people participate in the fields of service such as medicine, military, police, fire etc. As it would not be fair to ask them to go against that belief and it is unfair for them to knowingly enter a profession that could involve a persons life if their religious belief interferes with any part of the job.

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Gays Hate America And Other Right-Wing Talking Points On Indiana

Right-wing talking heads have had a busy week defending Indiana's anti-LGBT "religious liberty" law, which critics say would allow business-owners to deny services to gay, lesbian and transgender people. They've also gone on the offensive, calling LGBT people everything from terrorists to America-haters. Here's a roundup of the most ridiculous reactions to the controversy:

LGBT Folk Are The REAL Bullies

Despite the fact that 83 percent of Americans identify as Christian -- that's 265 million people -- and LGBT folks account for around 3 percent of the population, one of the religious right's main talking points is that "religious liberty" is under attack by fascist LGBT people. And by under attack, they mean they are being forced to provide services to LGBT people on the same terms as they provide services to everyone else.

You have to give Fox News credit. They were able to find a gay conservative willing to spout this talking point. Speaking to Tucker Carlson, conservative radio host Tammy Bruce said, "[G]ay liberals have turned into bullies when our work is to stop that kind of behavior."

Scratch That; They're Terrorists

On "Fox & Friends," Bill O'Reilly went even further, comparing the outcry over Indiana's anti-LGBT law to the persecution of Christians in Kenya. "If you link everything together we just heard about terror attack in Kenya on Christians," O'Reilly said. "In the U.S. and in Western Europe you have a civil war between the secular progressives and traditional religious people. In both cases, Christians are targets."

In [insert Middle Eastern Country Here] They Kill Gays!

Another group right-wingers think have it made in the shade with Kool-Aid compared to conservative Christians are Muslims. So whenever LGBT people have the nerve to protest discrimination, they first have to condemn the violent treatment of gays in some Muslim countries, then be thankful they're not being thrown off roofs here in America.

Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas thinks gays should take the passage of discriminatory legislation in

stride because, he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, "In Iran, they hang you for the crime of being gay." So just be thankful, alright?

Opponents of Indiana Law Hate America

You'd think he's joking but he's not. Conservative radio host Mark Levin thinks that opponents of the Indiana law don't just hate Christians. "The people who oppose these laws hate liberty; they hate the Constitution," he said on his show earlier this week. "I'll go even further: They Hate America."

LGBT People Want To Close Down All The Churches

Mike Huckabee has LGBT people all figured out. According to the Fox host, "It won’t stop until there are no more churches, until there are no more people who are spreading the Gospel [...] and I’m talking now about the unabridged, unapologetic Gospel that is really God’s truth."

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be sure to click on the link to view the supporting video clips.

That's exactly what these people are after. You honestly think that all they are after is "equality" That is sadly naive. I said it before and I'll say it again. If we had Supreme court rulings or legislation that legalized SSM in all 50 states and made refusal to lend your talents to these events illegal, these people would not be satisfied with that.

No leftist activist is ever satisfied with things. They win one thing and then turn around and demand more. It never stops. There's already a group in Wyoming calling for churches that oppose SSM to have their tax exempt status taken away. That's only a small minority right now but you can bet they will start to gain more to their side as time goes on if we continue at the present pace. You said it yourself homer. If my religious freedom conflicts with something else outside the walls of the church then my religious freedom must lose. That's not religious freedom. The constitution says free exercise. Exercising my freedom doesn't end when I walk out the doors of the church building. Your inordinate fear of churches is really starting to get to you.

SSM and gay weddings and gay rights in general are just the latest in a long string of issues used by left wing activists for attacking traditional values in America. They use the same tactics on the environment, race, gun control, health care, taxes and anything else you can think of. This is just the flavor of the moment. These are alinskyites and they are following the playbook perfectly. These people have more in common with Lennin and Stalin than they do with Jefferson and Madison.

You all that from both sides. It isn't just a left thing.

You got Lebera or whatever his name was that said Fox news was too gay friendly and should apologize to all conservative. You got guys like Nugent that will blame anything he can on someone on the left, military suicides result due to Obama. You got Lawrence Jones that was allowed into a Muslim meeting for a period of time and just cause they didn't want to let him be party to all their business everything they did was a act and plot to destroy America. You got guys like O'Keefe and his new recent thing, where he put Muslims in demonstrations against the police and tried to incite them to incite the crowd into violence. You got that crazy lady that ran that Jesus Camp and was arming youth as soldiers to fight. You had the guy in Birmingham that walked in purposefully with his gun into a voting station despite weapons clearly being disallowed there.

Are there people that would like to wipe out the church..........yes. Are there people that would like to force church on people............yes. Are there people that force no guns...............yes. Are there people that think I should be able to take my gun everywhere...............yes. It can go on and on and on. There is two sides to this game. Are there individuals on the left that would love to just have the run of the mill and do anything and everything they please.............absolutely. Are there individuals on the right that want the same thing..................absolutely. There is a ton of it that is nothing more than just a power play by both sides in many incidents. Sure there are those on the left that would love to attack and destroy traditional values, just like there are those on the right that would love to jam them down peoples throats and make them submit to them.

I said it once I will say it again. I got no issues with them voting that certain services do not have to provide said service to patrons if it violates their religious beliefs. Just make them put it in signage on the door so there is no confusion and make sure the claim is legitimate. Then don't let these people participate in the fields of service such as medicine, military, police, fire etc. As it would not be fair to ask them to go against that belief and it is unfair for them to knowingly enter a profession that could involve a persons life if their religious belief interferes with any part of the job.

No need for signage. They don"t want to serve you, walk away. Someone else does. Really simple if no hate involved.

Who put someones life in danger? I think I missed the story?

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Hmmmm. Is this where the "party over country" thing come from emt?

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Gays Hate America And Other Right-Wing Talking Points On Indiana

Right-wing talking heads have had a busy week defending Indiana's anti-LGBT "religious liberty" law, which critics say would allow business-owners to deny services to gay, lesbian and transgender people. They've also gone on the offensive, calling LGBT people everything from terrorists to America-haters. Here's a roundup of the most ridiculous reactions to the controversy:

LGBT Folk Are The REAL Bullies

Despite the fact that 83 percent of Americans identify as Christian -- that's 265 million people -- and LGBT folks account for around 3 percent of the population, one of the religious right's main talking points is that "religious liberty" is under attack by fascist LGBT people. And by under attack, they mean they are being forced to provide services to LGBT people on the same terms as they provide services to everyone else.

You have to give Fox News credit. They were able to find a gay conservative willing to spout this talking point. Speaking to Tucker Carlson, conservative radio host Tammy Bruce said, "[G]ay liberals have turned into bullies when our work is to stop that kind of behavior."

Scratch That; They're Terrorists

On "Fox & Friends," Bill O'Reilly went even further, comparing the outcry over Indiana's anti-LGBT law to the persecution of Christians in Kenya. "If you link everything together we just heard about terror attack in Kenya on Christians," O'Reilly said. "In the U.S. and in Western Europe you have a civil war between the secular progressives and traditional religious people. In both cases, Christians are targets."

In [insert Middle Eastern Country Here] They Kill Gays!

Another group right-wingers think have it made in the shade with Kool-Aid compared to conservative Christians are Muslims. So whenever LGBT people have the nerve to protest discrimination, they first have to condemn the violent treatment of gays in some Muslim countries, then be thankful they're not being thrown off roofs here in America.

Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas thinks gays should take the passage of discriminatory legislation in

stride because, he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, "In Iran, they hang you for the crime of being gay." So just be thankful, alright?

Opponents of Indiana Law Hate America

You'd think he's joking but he's not. Conservative radio host Mark Levin thinks that opponents of the Indiana law don't just hate Christians. "The people who oppose these laws hate liberty; they hate the Constitution," he said on his show earlier this week. "I'll go even further: They Hate America."

LGBT People Want To Close Down All The Churches

Mike Huckabee has LGBT people all figured out. According to the Fox host, "It won’t stop until there are no more churches, until there are no more people who are spreading the Gospel [...] and I’m talking now about the unabridged, unapologetic Gospel that is really God’s truth."

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be sure to click on the link to view the supporting video clips. ;)/>

That's exactly what these people are after. You honestly think that all they are after is "equality" That is sadly naive. I said it before and I'll say it again. If we had Supreme court rulings or legislation that legalized SSM in all 50 states and made refusal to lend your talents to these events illegal, these people would not be satisfied with that.

No leftist activist is ever satisfied with things. They win one thing and then turn around and demand more. It never stops. There's already a group in Wyoming calling for churches that oppose SSM to have their tax exempt status taken away. That's only a small minority right now but you can bet they will start to gain more to their side as time goes on if we continue at the present pace. You said it yourself homer. If my religious freedom conflicts with something else outside the walls of the church then my religious freedom must lose. That's not religious freedom. The constitution says free exercise. Exercising my freedom doesn't end when I walk out the doors of the church building. Your inordinate fear of churches is really starting to get to you.

SSM and gay weddings and gay rights in general are just the latest in a long string of issues used by left wing activists for attacking traditional values in America. They use the same tactics on the environment, race, gun control, health care, taxes and anything else you can think of. This is just the flavor of the moment. These are alinskyites and they are following the playbook perfectly. These people have more in common with Lennin and Stalin than they do with Jefferson and Madison.

You all that from both sides. It isn't just a left thing.

You got Lebera or whatever his name was that said Fox news was too gay friendly and should apologize to all conservative. You got guys like Nugent that will blame anything he can on someone on the left, military suicides result due to Obama. You got Lawrence Jones that was allowed into a Muslim meeting for a period of time and just cause they didn't want to let him be party to all their business everything they did was a act and plot to destroy America. You got guys like O'Keefe and his new recent thing, where he put Muslims in demonstrations against the police and tried to incite them to incite the crowd into violence. You got that crazy lady that ran that Jesus Camp and was arming youth as soldiers to fight. You had the guy in Birmingham that walked in purposefully with his gun into a voting station despite weapons clearly being disallowed there.

Are there people that would like to wipe out the church..........yes. Are there people that would like to force church on people............yes. Are there people that force no guns...............yes. Are there people that think I should be able to take my gun everywhere...............yes. It can go on and on and on. There is two sides to this game. Are there individuals on the left that would love to just have the run of the mill and do anything and everything they please.............absolutely. Are there individuals on the right that want the same thing..................absolutely. There is a ton of it that is nothing more than just a power play by both sides in many incidents. Sure there are those on the left that would love to attack and destroy traditional values, just like there are those on the right that would love to jam them down peoples throats and make them submit to them.

I said it once I will say it again. I got no issues with them voting that certain services do not have to provide said service to patrons if it violates their religious beliefs. Just make them put it in signage on the door so there is no confusion and make sure the claim is legitimate. Then don't let these people participate in the fields of service such as medicine, military, police, fire etc. As it would not be fair to ask them to go against that belief and it is unfair for them to knowingly enter a profession that could involve a persons life if their religious belief interferes with any part of the job.

No need for signage. They don"t want to serve you, walk away. Someone else does. Really simple if no hate involved.

Who put someones life in danger? I think I missed the story?

You must accept. resistance is futile

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

Hmmmm. Is this where the "party over country" thing come from emt?

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Gays Hate America And Other Right-Wing Talking Points On Indiana

Right-wing talking heads have had a busy week defending Indiana's anti-LGBT "religious liberty" law, which critics say would allow business-owners to deny services to gay, lesbian and transgender people. They've also gone on the offensive, calling LGBT people everything from terrorists to America-haters. Here's a roundup of the most ridiculous reactions to the controversy:

LGBT Folk Are The REAL Bullies

Despite the fact that 83 percent of Americans identify as Christian -- that's 265 million people -- and LGBT folks account for around 3 percent of the population, one of the religious right's main talking points is that "religious liberty" is under attack by fascist LGBT people. And by under attack, they mean they are being forced to provide services to LGBT people on the same terms as they provide services to everyone else.

You have to give Fox News credit. They were able to find a gay conservative willing to spout this talking point. Speaking to Tucker Carlson, conservative radio host Tammy Bruce said, "[G]ay liberals have turned into bullies when our work is to stop that kind of behavior."

Scratch That; They're Terrorists

On "Fox & Friends," Bill O'Reilly went even further, comparing the outcry over Indiana's anti-LGBT law to the persecution of Christians in Kenya. "If you link everything together we just heard about terror attack in Kenya on Christians," O'Reilly said. "In the U.S. and in Western Europe you have a civil war between the secular progressives and traditional religious people. In both cases, Christians are targets."

In [insert Middle Eastern Country Here] They Kill Gays!

Another group right-wingers think have it made in the shade with Kool-Aid compared to conservative Christians are Muslims. So whenever LGBT people have the nerve to protest discrimination, they first have to condemn the violent treatment of gays in some Muslim countries, then be thankful they're not being thrown off roofs here in America.

Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas thinks gays should take the passage of discriminatory legislation in

stride because, he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, "In Iran, they hang you for the crime of being gay." So just be thankful, alright?

Opponents of Indiana Law Hate America

You'd think he's joking but he's not. Conservative radio host Mark Levin thinks that opponents of the Indiana law don't just hate Christians. "The people who oppose these laws hate liberty; they hate the Constitution," he said on his show earlier this week. "I'll go even further: They Hate America."

LGBT People Want To Close Down All The Churches

Mike Huckabee has LGBT people all figured out. According to the Fox host, "It won’t stop until there are no more churches, until there are no more people who are spreading the Gospel [...] and I’m talking now about the unabridged, unapologetic Gospel that is really God’s truth."

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be sure to click on the link to view the supporting video clips.

That's exactly what these people are after. You honestly think that all they are after is "equality" That is sadly naive. I said it before and I'll say it again. If we had Supreme court rulings or legislation that legalized SSM in all 50 states and made refusal to lend your talents to these events illegal, these people would not be satisfied with that.

No leftist activist is ever satisfied with things. They win one thing and then turn around and demand more. It never stops. There's already a group in Wyoming calling for churches that oppose SSM to have their tax exempt status taken away. That's only a small minority right now but you can bet they will start to gain more to their side as time goes on if we continue at the present pace. You said it yourself homer. If my religious freedom conflicts with something else outside the walls of the church then my religious freedom must lose. That's not religious freedom. The constitution says free exercise. Exercising my freedom doesn't end when I walk out the doors of the church building. Your inordinate fear of churches is really starting to get to you.

SSM and gay weddings and gay rights in general are just the latest in a long string of issues used by left wing activists for attacking traditional values in America. They use the same tactics on the environment, race, gun control, health care, taxes and anything else you can think of. This is just the flavor of the moment. These are alinskyites and they are following the playbook perfectly. These people have more in common with Lennin and Stalin than they do with Jefferson and Madison.

You all that from both sides. It isn't just a left thing.

You got Lebera or whatever his name was that said Fox news was too gay friendly and should apologize to all conservative. You got guys like Nugent that will blame anything he can on someone on the left, military suicides result due to Obama. You got Lawrence Jones that was allowed into a Muslim meeting for a period of time and just cause they didn't want to let him be party to all their business everything they did was a act and plot to destroy America. You got guys like O'Keefe and his new recent thing, where he put Muslims in demonstrations against the police and tried to incite them to incite the crowd into violence. You got that crazy lady that ran that Jesus Camp and was arming youth as soldiers to fight. You had the guy in Birmingham that walked in purposefully with his gun into a voting station despite weapons clearly being disallowed there.

Are there people that would like to wipe out the church..........yes. Are there people that would like to force church on people............yes. Are there people that force no guns...............yes. Are there people that think I should be able to take my gun everywhere...............yes. It can go on and on and on. There is two sides to this game. Are there individuals on the left that would love to just have the run of the mill and do anything and everything they please.............absolutely. Are there individuals on the right that want the same thing..................absolutely. There is a ton of it that is nothing more than just a power play by both sides in many incidents. Sure there are those on the left that would love to attack and destroy traditional values, just like there are those on the right that would love to jam them down peoples throats and make them submit to them.

I said it once I will say it again. I got no issues with them voting that certain services do not have to provide said service to patrons if it violates their religious beliefs. Just make them put it in signage on the door so there is no confusion and make sure the claim is legitimate. Then don't let these people participate in the fields of service such as medicine, military, police, fire etc. As it would not be fair to ask them to go against that belief and it is unfair for them to knowingly enter a profession that could involve a persons life if their religious belief interferes with any part of the job.

No need for signage. They don"t want to serve you, walk away. Someone else does. Really simple if no hate involved.

Who put someones life in danger? I think I missed the story?

Don't make them have to go in and find out they don't want to serve you. That way they can just look at the door and walk away. Save everyone the time.

Doctors can refuse service for example. Far as say police and stuff, lets just go ahead and get it out of the way. You think the homosexual community is very trusting of the San Fran cops at the moment? Perhaps one of the homophobic cops would ignore the call if it was know to involve homosexual individuals. Mean heck some Cops will ignore calls for girls, cofee, shopping, etc and lie about like these in Dade Country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkvh0aX9UOI

I'm sure the above video is hacked, edited, and completely not true and just tin foiled as the police are always there when called and unbiased.

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Now we are getting into the truly absurd, as if we weren't already.

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2/3rds of the states had constitutional amendments or laws supporting traditional marriage. Even California has an admendment directly approved by the electorate. why didn't apple leave California and all those other states? same reason they aren't self banning sales in some moslem countries. money

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

money

Ohhhhhh.... you aren't allowed to say that.

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These people give more grief to Indiana and other places like that than they do to a country like Iran, where you can actually be killed just for being homosexual. I just don't understand the mindset that makes you think that a law that lets people not lend their talents to your event is so horrible and that you are so enraged that you seek to force them to do that.

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http://www.albertmohler.com/2015/04/07/this-is-how-religious-liberty-dies-the-new-rules-of-the-secular-left/

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http://www.albertmohler.com/2015/04/07/this-is-how-religious-liberty-dies-the-new-rules-of-the-secular-left/

If they succeed then America is doomed. These leftists are never satisfied.

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http://www.albertmoh...e-secular-left/

If they succeed then America is doomed. These leftists are never satisfied.

Yes, we are the liberal Borg.

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http://www.albertmoh...e-secular-left/

If they succeed then America is doomed. These leftists are never satisfied.

Yes, we are the liberal Borg. ;D/>

truer words were never spoken. That article describes you perfectly.

[homersapien 11,353]

http://www.albertmoh...e-secular-left/

If they succeed then America is doomed. These leftists are never satisfied.

Yes, we are the liberal Borg. ;D/>

truer words were never spoken. That article describes you perfectly.

Submit.

We will assimilate you sooner or later anyway.

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

http://www.albertmoh...e-secular-left/

If they succeed then America is doomed. These leftists are never satisfied.

Yes, we are the liberal Borg. ;D/>

truer words were never spoken. That article describes you perfectly.

Submit.

We will assimilate you sooner or later anyway.

Maybe Iran will develop nuke's, blow up half the world and the entire Star Trek prophecy will come true.

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]RFRA & My Wedding Ring[/b]

It has been some time since I gave thought to the day my soon-to-be husband and I bought our wedding rings. But the spectacle over RFRA—all the panting hysteria of a predatory media and toadying politicians aided by timorous clergy—brings it back with great clarity. And even greater poignancy.

Our wedding date was set. It was time to pick a ring. But where to look for one? How to shop? The two of us were young, broke, and scrappy. It would be some years yet before we could afford to pay retail. Besides, my intended was a combative shopper, born to hondel. He did not believe in fixed prices. There were only asking prices begging to be negotiated.

We started in Manhattan’s diamond district in the west Forties. No diamonds were on our shopping list. But 47^th Street was a place to haggle, draw swords, dicker away until the doomed asking price dropped in exhaustion. His ring was easy. A plain gold band was all. It was mine that took hunting for. I wanted something chaste and spare, low keyed but rich with symbolism. No glitz. Modest but not severe. It had to be unembellished but eloquent—a sort of Grail for my ring finger.

I had no idea what my adjectives might look like in the concrete. So we trooped from stall to stall in the Exchange scouting for . . . what, exactly? Then, finally, there it was. In the showcase of an older jeweler, forearm tattooed with his identification number from a concentration camp, were simple gold bands embossed with phrases from the Tanakh. They were cut in the identical ancient block script familiar to Jesus of Nazareth, who grew in wisdom and study of Torah.

The graphic beauty of the Hebrew characters—heightened by our inability to read them—seemed a visible link to Him in Whom we would marry. One square letter followed another, spacing calculated to encircle the band with no marked beginning or end. The indissolubility of marriage seemed imprinted in the very design. Add the romance of indecipherability. This was my ring!

Next came the contest over cost. The groom-to-be went into gladiatorial mode. The seller was good at the game. It was a lengthy, spirited match. Eventually the two settled on a price. All that was left was to decide on the phrase from a sheet of suggested lines. My heart set on a passage from the Book of Ruth that reads in full:

Ruth said: “Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee; for whither thou goest I will go, where thou lodgest, I will lodge; thy people shall be my people and thy God my God.

Only the central portion (“wither thou goest . . .”) could fit around the ring but the entire antiphon is implicit in the fragment. Ruth’s pledge to Naomi is the purest and most stirring statement of friendship I have ever known. I ached to claim it for myself and wear it for the rest of my life.

Was one of us Jewish? The jeweler wanted to know. Was either of us leaving another religion to become Jewish? No, we were not. Well then, he was sorry but he would not give us that particular quotation. The point was non-negotiable.

The rebuff was a sore let-down but we did not press. We deferred to his prohibition because, in some unspoken way, we understood. The story of Ruth is one of conversion that affirms the Jewish nation. It testifies to peoplehood. The intensity of this man’s concern to honor the sacred core of the text moved us. Here was a man who had suffered the unspeakable for no other reason than he was part of the people Ruth pledged herself to.

There was grace in his refusal. Had he granted me the words I craved, he would, in conscience, have violated the grandeur of them. Ruth’s commitment was not simply to another person but to a covenanted community bound together since the call of Abraham. Her words were his inheritance; he was not free to extend them to us.

Disappointed, I settled for words from the Song of Songs: “I found him whom my soul loveth.” Over the years, my second choice proved to be the better one. The ring is dearer to me than anything else I possess. But I did not feel that then.

What innocents we were. It never entered our minds to challenge the denial. We took for granted the man’s moral right to refuse us; any legal issue, then, was irrelevant. But by today’s lights, we gave in too readily. We could have raised a stink. Demanded our rights as consumers. Bullied the vendor with accusations of anti-Christian bigotry. We did not have to submit to the discomfort of being told we were ineligible for what we desired.

“Something there is that does not love a wall, / That wants it down.” Pace Frost, not every barrier should be cleared away. Not everything is permeable. A nation cannot survive without borders; no culture endures without limits. Walls provide a bulwark against chaos and dissolution. That day in the Diamond Exchange, we stumbled against the very wall a man had clung to in the camps. It was the same one that had kept Jewry from disappearing centuries before modern nation states existed.

Had we been noisy enough, I might have gotten the thing I wanted at the time. But at what price to the commonweal?

How to discern which walls, like dikes, have to be maintained, and which left to crumble? Aggressive shows of grievance are meant to deflect discernment, not advance it. The nervous response of the five Roman Catholic bishops of Indiana cooperated with the machinery of deflection by rushing forward with anodyne assertions of the dignity of all people, all genders, as if that were in the balance. It was not. The bishops were anxious to appease malcontents whose agenda trumped conscience and the rule of law. If the bishops could not attend to the specific content of the bill—which provided standing in court for anyone substantially burdened by demands counter to their religious beliefs —better to have kept quiet.

The way to protect religious liberty is not to bleat for it but to expose the distortions, conjectural ploys, and rabble-rousing used against it. It requires tooth. By contrast, the bishops’ bridge-over-troubled-waters approach signaled to RFRA antagonists that self-serving outbursts really do work. It cooperated with bootlicking politicians in ceding ground that was never in play. Reassurance misapplied is a sentimental concession to demagoguery.

Enough.

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/mullarkey/2015/04/rfra-my-wedding-ring

There was a time where everyone didn't feel the need to litigiously demand their "rights" but gave others the space of their beliefs, even if it inconvenienced them a little. It didn't mean that merchants got to refuse service to people over race or religion or sexual orientation, but it did mean that conscience mattered and not every right needed to be demanded of others. It's an art to learn how to let others be even when we don't like it. But it's an art that needs to be relearned.

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That is a good summary of things. This was my point with the post on slumbering Christians. If you just roll over and give in to the every demand these activists make then they'll just keep right on demanding more. Not ever gay person or liberal is an activist or looking to start a riot as it were. The activists really don't care about gay rights as such. It's just a convenient tool to use in their overall campaign. There is no compromise with them. You have to just defeat them and then everyone else can come to a reasonable compromise for our society.