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So those of you who say every business must take orders from all customers...what is a scenario that you think it is justified for refusing to do business with a customer? What about a polygamist wedding? How about if I have done business with this customer before and I just don't like working with them? What if a member of MAMBLA wanted a cake celebrating something related to MAMBLA? Whether it is religious or not as a business owner, I should be able to refuse my services to a customer. If you don't believe that then what about those signs that say No Shoes, No Shirt No Service? They are discriminating against people. Why isn't that a big deal to you all? As a business owner, I should be able to not to do work for a potential customer. If I am bad enough, my business will suffer and I will no longer have a business. I don't think a business should discriminate based on the sex or the race of a person but if I am a cake baker and a customer wants something that is inflammatory or racist on a cake, I should be able to refuse that because it is offensive to me.

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So those of you who say every business must take orders from all customers...what is a scenario that you think it is justified for refusing to do business with a customer? What about a polygamist wedding? How about if I have done business with this customer before and I just don't like working with them? What if a member of MAMBLA wanted a cake celebrating something related to MAMBLA? Whether it is religious or not as a business owner, I should be able to refuse my services to a customer. If you don't believe that then what about those signs that say No Shoes, No Shirt No Service? They are discriminating against people. Why isn't that a big deal to you all? As a business owner, I should be able to not to do work for a potential customer. If I am bad enough, my business will suffer and I will no longer have a business. I don't think a business should discriminate based on the sex or the race of a person but if I am a cake baker and a customer wants something that is inflammatory or racist on a cake, I should be able to refuse that because it is offensive to me.

From an earlier discussion of this point:

As far as I am concerned, refusing a "porn themed" wedding doesn't violate anyone's rights. Pornography is a particular activity that determines the nature of the job. It's no different that turning down a wedding photography job that involved sky-diving (for example).

Such conditions or requirements have nothing to do with discriminating against a certain class of people as defined by race, ethnicity, religion or sexuality. Presumably, it you want to turn down a pornographic wedding for a gay couple, you would turn it down for a heterosexual couple, or a black couple or whatever. Thus there is no discrimination. You are treating everyone the same.

(Not to mention that MAMBLA is advocating a practice that is illegal.)

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If you are claiming religious issues then polygamist wedding should be off the menu.

I don't think anyone is arguing they should have to take all business. Just not base it on sex, race, religion.

People refuse service based off difficulties with individuals every day. That isn't discrimination that is simply business. If the other party doesn't like it they can take you to courts if financial wrong occcured. Fact their are patrons that are legally not allowed back into facilities due to their actions. Lol nobody is gonna claim racism or something if your reason for not serving Joe is cause Joe is a dick. Responsible restaurants and bars refuse service to individuals that have too much to drink all the time.

No Shoes............that's a dress code not discrimination. And it is right there in the front for all to see and applies to every individual in the world. Just like places that require jackets or ties. Race, religion, politics, none of that matter. Just what is on your back and what is in your wallet.

Honestly. Noone is going to be upset if you don't cater the child pornography festival(since its highly illegal) at Bob's house or the KKK rally over at Jims. Or you don't make a specialty penis shaped pizza.

But if you want to claim I can't do this due to religion then I think you should have to put up a sign that says it and you should be consistent in that philosophy.

Then you don't have a woman waste her one insurance paid for gyno visit of the year on a doctor that happens to be Catholic and only after the visit says........sorry I don't prescribe birth control. Or people meeting with and agreeing and making an appointment for a infant, only to get to the appointment to find out its not the doctor you chose... she had prayed on it.. but then didn't tell them so the practice would still get the business.

I'm all for it. Put that sign up and lets leave it at that. Dr. Jim OBGYN is a devout Catholic... no methods of birth control will be prescribed due to religious practices. Someone calls for an appointment. BTW Mrs. Jones we must inform you that as a Catholic Dr. Jim will not provide a prescription for birth control due to religious practices. Would you still like to make an appointment?

If you truely do not want to cater gay weddings cause of religious beliefs I am fine with that. Just put that sign in the window that says Jill's Bakery is a Christian business and while we welcome all patrons, due to religious beliefs will not cater conflicting events (or just list them). Please inquire inside if you have questions.

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This entire charade is not about gay rights.

I agree. In our fast paced lives, many tend to rely on MSM and go along for convenience. Unfortunately, this often guides ones conscience.
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So those of you who say every business must take orders from all customers...what is a scenario that you think it is justified for refusing to do business with a customer? What about a polygamist wedding? How about if I have done business with this customer before and I just don't like working with them? What if a member of MAMBLA wanted a cake celebrating something related to MAMBLA? Whether it is religious or not as a business owner, I should be able to refuse my services to a customer. If you don't believe that then what about those signs that say No Shoes, No Shirt No Service? They are discriminating against people. Why isn't that a big deal to you all? As a business owner, I should be able to not to do work for a potential customer. If I am bad enough, my business will suffer and I will no longer have a business. I don't think a business should discriminate based on the sex or the race of a person but if I am a cake baker and a customer wants something that is inflammatory or racist on a cake, I should be able to refuse that because it is offensive to me.

From an earlier discussion of this point:

As far as I am concerned, refusing a "porn themed" wedding doesn't violate anyone's rights. Pornography is a particular activity that determines the nature of the job. It's no different that turning down a wedding photography job that involved sky-diving (for example).

Such conditions or requirements have nothing to do with discriminating against a certain class of people as defined by race, ethnicity, religion or sexuality. Presumably, it you want to turn down a pornographic wedding for a gay couple, you would turn it down for a heterosexual couple, or a black couple or whatever. Thus there is no discrimination. You are treating everyone the same.

(Not to mention that MAMBLA is advocating a practice that is illegal.)

The point is you are refusing work due to your beliefs...if you are stating that you are discriminating due to sexuality then that is a different point and then you have to accept people who do polygamy and all other types of sexuality. By saying that you have to do the work then you cannot discriminate at all so where do you draw the line? Also, before you go down the road that gay marriage is different than the others (i.e. accepted), it isn't in all states. Business should have the right to refuse business. The success of that business will based on what they do and how they treat their customers. If the local population doesn't believe what that business is doing then that business will fail. And I am not advocating being racist in business before you go down that tangent. But based on religious beliefs it should be fine not to support gay marriage with your business if you religiously object to it. And the government shouldn't force you to take that business.
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My question would be why would a gay couple go into a muslim bakery for any reason at all, much less ask them to bake a wedding cake? There comes a time when one has to let their common sense take over. The lesbian couple who brought this mess on the bakery in the State of Washington---are you going to tell me they couldn't find another bakery that would take their money and bake the damn cake? If not, why didn't they sue all of them, instead of just the one? As far as the property owners in Maine, who have that farm they rent out for weddings, receptions, etc: the owner stated that they have hired their property out for gay wedding receptions, but have problems renting it out for gay weddings. To me, that's a problem for them. If you rent it out for receptions, you are, in fact, approving of gay marriages.

As a gay man, I will say this---sometimes, we are our own worst enemy.

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My question would be why would a gay couple go into a muslim bakery for any reason at all, much less ask them to bake a wedding cake? There comes a time when one has to let their common sense take over. The lesbian couple who brought this mess on the bakery in the State of Washington---are you going to tell me they couldn't find another bakery that would take their money and bake the damn cake? If not, why didn't they sue all of them, instead of just the one? As far as the property owners in Maine, who have that farm they rent out for weddings, receptions, etc: the owner stated that they have hired their property out for gay wedding receptions, but have problems renting it out for gay weddings. To me, that's a problem for them. If you rent it out for receptions, you are, in fact, approving of gay marriages.

As a gay man, I will say this---sometimes, we are our own worst enemy.

Randy, it's about a bunch of leftist radical activists who have taken on this particular issue since it's hot right now. They use it to push their leftist activist agenda just like they do with gun control, environmentalism and every other issue out there. People just can't let people be. They have to force their agenda on the country and if you don't agree with them they'll bring the hammer of government down to bear on you.
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So those of you who say every business must take orders from all customers...what is a scenario that you think it is justified for refusing to do business with a customer? What about a polygamist wedding? How about if I have done business with this customer before and I just don't like working with them? What if a member of MAMBLA wanted a cake celebrating something related to MAMBLA? Whether it is religious or not as a business owner, I should be able to refuse my services to a customer. If you don't believe that then what about those signs that say No Shoes, No Shirt No Service? They are discriminating against people. Why isn't that a big deal to you all? As a business owner, I should be able to not to do work for a potential customer. If I am bad enough, my business will suffer and I will no longer have a business. I don't think a business should discriminate based on the sex or the race of a person but if I am a cake baker and a customer wants something that is inflammatory or racist on a cake, I should be able to refuse that because it is offensive to me.

From an earlier discussion of this point:

As far as I am concerned, refusing a "porn themed" wedding doesn't violate anyone's rights. Pornography is a particular activity that determines the nature of the job. It's no different that turning down a wedding photography job that involved sky-diving (for example).

Such conditions or requirements have nothing to do with discriminating against a certain class of people as defined by race, ethnicity, religion or sexuality. Presumably, it you want to turn down a pornographic wedding for a gay couple, you would turn it down for a heterosexual couple, or a black couple or whatever. Thus there is no discrimination. You are treating everyone the same.

(Not to mention that MAMBLA is advocating a practice that is illegal.)

The point is you are refusing work due to your beliefs...if you are stating that you are discriminating due to sexuality then that is a different point and then you have to accept people who do polygamy and all other types of sexuality. By saying that you have to do the work then you cannot discriminate at all so where do you draw the line? Also, before you go down the road that gay marriage is different than the others (i.e. accepted), it isn't in all states. Business should have the right to refuse business. The success of that business will based on what they do and how they treat their customers. If the local population doesn't believe what that business is doing then that business will fail. And I am not advocating being racist in business before you go down that tangent. But based on religious beliefs it should be fine not to support gay marriage with your business if you religiously object to it. And the government shouldn't force you to take that business.

Polygamy is not a sexuality. I stopped there.

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My question would be why would a gay couple go into a muslim bakery for any reason at all, much less ask them to bake a wedding cake? There comes a time when one has to let their common sense take over. The lesbian couple who brought this mess on the bakery in the State of Washington---are you going to tell me they couldn't find another bakery that would take their money and bake the damn cake? If not, why didn't they sue all of them, instead of just the one? As far as the property owners in Maine, who have that farm they rent out for weddings, receptions, etc: the owner stated that they have hired their property out for gay wedding receptions, but have problems renting it out for gay weddings. To me, that's a problem for them. If you rent it out for receptions, you are, in fact, approving of gay marriages.

As a gay man, I will say this---sometimes, we are our own worst enemy.

Randy, it's about a bunch of leftist radical activists who have taken on this particular issue since it's hot right now. They use it to push their leftist activist agenda just like they do with gun control, environmentalism and every other issue out there. People just can't let people be. They have to force their agenda on the country and if you don't agree with them they'll bring the hammer of government down to bear on you.

Oh give us a break with all that. Like the right never pushes it issues. Like only the left does it.

Look at the open carry guys in Texas. Hey I'm going to pick up milk at target, let me strap on my AK47. Then Target simply requests not to bring guns into their establishment and gun owners get pissed. Church in Alabama said and posted a sign not to bring guns into it's building during elections. Guy says screw that and purposefully brings it in on display.

Or the cop. Hey I'm gonna sign up for this special unit full well knowing what they do but I'm gonna ask for a exemption to it when they time comes.

Right is just as bad at the whole give me my rights but let me step on others as anyone. That is my issue with many on the right atm, they have a let me have my cake and eat it also mentality.

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Randy, it's about a bunch of leftist radical activists who have taken on this particular issue since it's hot right now. They use it to push their leftist activist agenda just like they do with gun control, environmentalism and every other issue out there. People just can't let people be. They have to force their agenda on the country and if you don't agree with them they'll bring the hammer of government down to bear on you.

Oh give us a break with all that. Like the right never pushes it issues. Like only the left does it.

Look at the open carry guys in Texas. Hey I'm going to pick up milk at target, let me strap on my AK47. Then Target simply requests not to bring guns into their establishment and gun owners get pissed. Church in Alabama said and posted a sign not to bring guns into it's building during elections. Guy says screw that and purposefully brings it in on display.

Or the cop. Hey I'm gonna sign up for this special unit full well knowing what they do but I'm gonna ask for a exemption to it when they time comes.

Right is just as bad at the whole give me my rights but let me step on others as anyone. That is my issue with many on the right atm, they have a let me have my cake and eat it also mentality.

Now now. Don't start messing with Tigger's world. He's quite comfortable in there.

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If you are claiming religious issues then polygamist wedding should be off the menu.

I don't think anyone is arguing they should have to take all business. Just not base it on sex, race, religion.

People refuse service based off difficulties with individuals every day. That isn't discrimination that is simply business. If the other party doesn't like it they can take you to courts if financial wrong occcured. Fact their are patrons that are legally not allowed back into facilities due to their actions. Lol nobody is gonna claim racism or something if your reason for not serving Joe is cause Joe is a dick. Responsible restaurants and bars refuse service to individuals that have too much to drink all the time.

No Shoes............that's a dress code not discrimination. And it is right there in the front for all to see and applies to every individual in the world. Just like places that require jackets or ties. Race, religion, politics, none of that matter. Just what is on your back and what is in your wallet.

Honestly. Noone is going to be upset if you don't cater the child pornography festival(since its highly illegal) at Bob's house or the KKK rally over at Jims. Or you don't make a specialty penis shaped pizza.

But if you want to claim I can't do this due to religion then I think you should have to put up a sign that says it and you should be consistent in that philosophy.

Then you don't have a woman waste her one insurance paid for gyno visit of the year on a doctor that happens to be Catholic and only after the visit says........sorry I don't prescribe birth control. Or people meeting with and agreeing and making an appointment for a infant, only to get to the appointment to find out its not the doctor you chose... she had prayed on it.. but then didn't tell them so the practice would still get the business.

I'm all for it. Put that sign up and lets leave it at that. Dr. Jim OBGYN is a devout Catholic... no methods of birth control will be prescribed due to religious practices. Someone calls for an appointment. BTW Mrs. Jones we must inform you that as a Catholic Dr. Jim will not provide a prescription for birth control due to religious practices. Would you still like to make an appointment?

If you truely do not want to cater gay weddings cause of religious beliefs I am fine with that. Just put that sign in the window that says Jill's Bakery is a Christian business and while we welcome all patrons, due to religious beliefs will not cater conflicting events (or just list them). Please inquire inside if you have questions.

Placing that sign in the window would bring gay rights activists screeching and clucking demanding immediate chains on the business doors. Then cnn and PMSnbc would make a bleeding heart "gay haters" lead story and said business would be no more...See how it works in Barry's America???
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Well, if they opt not to serve homosexuals, it's their loss. They might as well not serve non Muslims in the process.

THAT would be their preference...right? : - )
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If you are claiming religious issues then polygamist wedding should be off the menu.

I don't think anyone is arguing they should have to take all business. Just not base it on sex, race, religion.

People refuse service based off difficulties with individuals every day. That isn't discrimination that is simply business. If the other party doesn't like it they can take you to courts if financial wrong occcured. Fact their are patrons that are legally not allowed back into facilities due to their actions. Lol nobody is gonna claim racism or something if your reason for not serving Joe is cause Joe is a dick. Responsible restaurants and bars refuse service to individuals that have too much to drink all the time.

No Shoes............that's a dress code not discrimination. And it is right there in the front for all to see and applies to every individual in the world. Just like places that require jackets or ties. Race, religion, politics, none of that matter. Just what is on your back and what is in your wallet.

Honestly. Noone is going to be upset if you don't cater the child pornography festival(since its highly illegal) at Bob's house or the KKK rally over at Jims. Or you don't make a specialty penis shaped pizza.

But if you want to claim I can't do this due to religion then I think you should have to put up a sign that says it and you should be consistent in that philosophy.

Then you don't have a woman waste her one insurance paid for gyno visit of the year on a doctor that happens to be Catholic and only after the visit says........sorry I don't prescribe birth control. Or people meeting with and agreeing and making an appointment for a infant, only to get to the appointment to find out its not the doctor you chose... she had prayed on it.. but then didn't tell them so the practice would still get the business.

I'm all for it. Put that sign up and lets leave it at that. Dr. Jim OBGYN is a devout Catholic... no methods of birth control will be prescribed due to religious practices. Someone calls for an appointment. BTW Mrs. Jones we must inform you that as a Catholic Dr. Jim will not provide a prescription for birth control due to religious practices. Would you still like to make an appointment?

If you truely do not want to cater gay weddings cause of religious beliefs I am fine with that. Just put that sign in the window that says Jill's Bakery is a Christian business and while we welcome all patrons, due to religious beliefs will not cater conflicting events (or just list them). Please inquire inside if you have questions.

Placing that sign in the window would bring gay rights activists screeching and clucking demanding immediate chains on the business doors. Then cnn and PMSnbc would make a bleeding heart "gay haters" lead story and said business would be no more...See how it works in Barry's America???

So. If you are so strong in your convictions then stand your ground and proudly fly your flag.

But that would be the thing. The owners don't want individuals to know that if at all possible. They want to do it sly like under the table and not let the public know. Just like the doctor that met in person the gay couple that had the child, then went home and made her decision, and then did not have the common decency to contact them and tell them her decision and cancel the appointment. Thus letting the parents find another doctor of their children. Then on the day of the appointment didn't have the decency and tell them in person when the other doctor came in (nice maneuver to keep the business in practice for at least one visit btw). Then after all that, eventually weeks later after they chose another doctor sent them a letter.

Cowards.

Besides if you stand your ground on the issue people will give you hundreds of thousands of dollars on gofundme while children needing medical help cant get it.

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If you are claiming religious issues then polygamist wedding should be off the menu.

I don't think anyone is arguing they should have to take all business. Just not base it on sex, race, religion.

People refuse service based off difficulties with individuals every day. That isn't discrimination that is simply business. If the other party doesn't like it they can take you to courts if financial wrong occcured. Fact their are patrons that are legally not allowed back into facilities due to their actions. Lol nobody is gonna claim racism or something if your reason for not serving Joe is cause Joe is a dick. Responsible restaurants and bars refuse service to individuals that have too much to drink all the time.

No Shoes............that's a dress code not discrimination. And it is right there in the front for all to see and applies to every individual in the world. Just like places that require jackets or ties. Race, religion, politics, none of that matter. Just what is on your back and what is in your wallet.

Honestly. Noone is going to be upset if you don't cater the child pornography festival(since its highly illegal) at Bob's house or the KKK rally over at Jims. Or you don't make a specialty penis shaped pizza.

But if you want to claim I can't do this due to religion then I think you should have to put up a sign that says it and you should be consistent in that philosophy.

Then you don't have a woman waste her one insurance paid for gyno visit of the year on a doctor that happens to be Catholic and only after the visit says........sorry I don't prescribe birth control. Or people meeting with and agreeing and making an appointment for a infant, only to get to the appointment to find out its not the doctor you chose... she had prayed on it.. but then didn't tell them so the practice would still get the business.

I'm all for it. Put that sign up and lets leave it at that. Dr. Jim OBGYN is a devout Catholic... no methods of birth control will be prescribed due to religious practices. Someone calls for an appointment. BTW Mrs. Jones we must inform you that as a Catholic Dr. Jim will not provide a prescription for birth control due to religious practices. Would you still like to make an appointment?

If you truely do not want to cater gay weddings cause of religious beliefs I am fine with that. Just put that sign in the window that says Jill's Bakery is a Christian business and while we welcome all patrons, due to religious beliefs will not cater conflicting events (or just list them). Please inquire inside if you have questions.

Placing that sign in the window would bring gay rights activists screeching and clucking demanding immediate chains on the business doors. Then cnn and PMSnbc would make a bleeding heart "gay haters" lead story and said business would be no more...See how it works in Barry's America???

So. If you are so strong in your convictions then stand your ground and proudly fly your flag.

But that would be the thing. The owners don't want individuals to know that if at all possible. They want to do it sly like under the table and not let the public know. Just like the doctor that met in person the gay couple that had the child, then went home and made her decision, and then did not have the common decency to contact them and tell them her decision and cancel the appointment. Thus letting the parents find another doctor of their children. Then on the day of the appointment didn't have the decency and tell them in person when the other doctor came in (nice maneuver to keep the business in practice for at least one visit btw). Then after all that, eventually weeks later after they chose another doctor sent them a letter.

Cowards.

Besides if you stand your ground on the issue people will give you hundreds of thousands of dollars on gofundme while children needing medical help cant get it.

Isnt the liberal answer to abort these children to , in the words of Scrooge "thus decrease the excess population"?
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If you are claiming religious issues then polygamist wedding should be off the menu.

I don't think anyone is arguing they should have to take all business. Just not base it on sex, race, religion.

People refuse service based off difficulties with individuals every day. That isn't discrimination that is simply business. If the other party doesn't like it they can take you to courts if financial wrong occcured. Fact their are patrons that are legally not allowed back into facilities due to their actions. Lol nobody is gonna claim racism or something if your reason for not serving Joe is cause Joe is a dick. Responsible restaurants and bars refuse service to individuals that have too much to drink all the time.

No Shoes............that's a dress code not discrimination. And it is right there in the front for all to see and applies to every individual in the world. Just like places that require jackets or ties. Race, religion, politics, none of that matter. Just what is on your back and what is in your wallet.

Honestly. Noone is going to be upset if you don't cater the child pornography festival(since its highly illegal) at Bob's house or the KKK rally over at Jims. Or you don't make a specialty penis shaped pizza.

But if you want to claim I can't do this due to religion then I think you should have to put up a sign that says it and you should be consistent in that philosophy.

Then you don't have a woman waste her one insurance paid for gyno visit of the year on a doctor that happens to be Catholic and only after the visit says........sorry I don't prescribe birth control. Or people meeting with and agreeing and making an appointment for a infant, only to get to the appointment to find out its not the doctor you chose... she had prayed on it.. but then didn't tell them so the practice would still get the business.

I'm all for it. Put that sign up and lets leave it at that. Dr. Jim OBGYN is a devout Catholic... no methods of birth control will be prescribed due to religious practices. Someone calls for an appointment. BTW Mrs. Jones we must inform you that as a Catholic Dr. Jim will not provide a prescription for birth control due to religious practices. Would you still like to make an appointment?

If you truely do not want to cater gay weddings cause of religious beliefs I am fine with that. Just put that sign in the window that says Jill's Bakery is a Christian business and while we welcome all patrons, due to religious beliefs will not cater conflicting events (or just list them). Please inquire inside if you have questions.

Placing that sign in the window would bring gay rights activists screeching and clucking demanding immediate chains on the business doors. Then cnn and PMSnbc would make a bleeding heart "gay haters" lead story and said business would be no more...See how it works in Barry's America???

So. If you are so strong in your convictions then stand your ground and proudly fly your flag.

But that would be the thing. The owners don't want individuals to know that if at all possible. They want to do it sly like under the table and not let the public know. Just like the doctor that met in person the gay couple that had the child, then went home and made her decision, and then did not have the common decency to contact them and tell them her decision and cancel the appointment. Thus letting the parents find another doctor of their children. Then on the day of the appointment didn't have the decency and tell them in person when the other doctor came in (nice maneuver to keep the business in practice for at least one visit btw). Then after all that, eventually weeks later after they chose another doctor sent them a letter.

Cowards.

Besides if you stand your ground on the issue people will give you hundreds of thousands of dollars on gofundme while children needing medical help cant get it.

Isnt the liberal answer to abort these children to , in the words of Scrooge "thus decrease the excess population"?

I don't give the damn about the liberal answer.

This is where my latest monetary donation went:

http://www.al.com/ne...related_stories

And while you are at it. Let's see who is really aborting children:

The Alan Guttmacher Institute tells us that 43% of aborting women identify themselves as Protestant, while 27% identify themselves as Catholic. If these numbers are accurate, that leaves us with the shocking conclusion that 70% of all abortions in the U.S. are performed on women who claim the name of Jesus Christ.

http://www.abort73.com/abortion/abortion_in_the_church/

Now lecture me on the Christian conservative answer to those children, since it has been made clear no liberal is a Christian.

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