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He's french so it's not surprising. Europeans celebrate laziness when it comes to working so it actually makes perfect sense.

:blink:/> Seriously?

I'm really beginning to wonder if you aren't just pulling our leg with some of the wild stereotypes and absolutes you post. Certainly SOME Europeans are lazy, just as some people on every continent are lazy (with the possible exception of Antarctica--just getting there implies some degree of industriousness). But I have never heard anyone label the entire population of Europe as 'lazy' before.

It's a free country, you're entitled to your beliefs, but are you serious, or just posting under an assumed satirical comedic persona...sort of the 'Stephen Colbert' of this forum?

[if the latter, then I applaud you for doing a much better, more creative, more entertaining job than ichy does with his fake "illiterate conservative" schtick. :thumbsup: ]

The welfare state in Europe makes what we have in the United States look like child's play. In France it is nearly impossible to fire a bad worker. It is easier to fire a bad teacher here and that is not an exaggeration. They demand and get all manner of benefits and demand and get less time at work. They get all up in arms at any attempt to even modestly curb this.

My concern is with your statement that "Europeans celebrate laziness when it comes to working".

1. The level of benefits a government provides to its people is not a measure of how "lazy" said people might be, nor of the work ethic of the people.

2. France is only one nation in Europe. (Even if one accepts, momentarily for the sake of discussion, a stereotype that all French are lazy.) There is no rational basis for taking conditions in France, good or bad, as definite of all nations or people in Europe. Do Swiss, Germans, Danes, Norwegians, Poles, Scots, Austrians, etc., etc., etc. really celebrate laziness?

3. Strong worker protection laws, whether in France or in the any branch of U.S. economy, in no way represent a "celebration of laziness". Such protections may result in an incompetent worker retaining a job he/she shouldn't, but they also protect competent workers from the arbitrary whims and prejudices of irrational or biased management. Such protections have pros and cons, but they are not a celebration of laziness. Also, "incompetent" is not a synonym for "lazy". Some incompetent people work their asses off while accomplishing nothing, while some lazy people are extremely productive because they find shortcuts or more efficient ways of doing things in their drive to reduce the demands of their working day.

4. Wanting or receiving benefits or reduced working hours is not the same as being lazy. Most humans would like more benefits and fewer hours, but that in no way implies they're slackers on the job or don't work their butts off while there. Perhaps the U.S. should go back to a 6-day, 12-hours-per-day work week, with no benefits like paid sick leave or vacations, no retirement, no work-site safety regulations, no worker's compensation, etc.? We don't want to foster a culture that celebrates laziness at work!

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He's french so it's not surprising. Europeans celebrate laziness when it comes to working so it actually makes perfect sense.

:blink:/> Seriously?

I'm really beginning to wonder if you aren't just pulling our leg with some of the wild stereotypes and absolutes you post. Certainly SOME Europeans are lazy, just as some people on every continent are lazy (with the possible exception of Antarctica--just getting there implies some degree of industriousness). But I have never heard anyone label the entire population of Europe as 'lazy' before.

It's a free country, you're entitled to your beliefs, but are you serious, or just posting under an assumed satirical comedic persona...sort of the 'Stephen Colbert' of this forum?

[if the latter, then I applaud you for doing a much better, more creative, more entertaining job than ichy does with his fake "illiterate conservative" schtick. :thumbsup: ]

The welfare state in Europe makes what we have in the United States look like child's play. In France it is nearly impossible to fire a bad worker. It is easier to fire a bad teacher here and that is not an exaggeration. They demand and get all manner of benefits and demand and get less time at work. They get all up in arms at any attempt to even modestly curb this.

My concern is with your statement that "Europeans celebrate laziness when it comes to working".

1. The level of benefits a government provides to its people is not a measure of how "lazy" said people might be, nor of the work ethic of the people.

2. France is only one nation in Europe. (Even if one accepts, momentarily for the sake of discussion, a stereotype that all French are lazy.) There is no rational basis for taking conditions in France, good or bad, as definite of all nations or people in Europe. Do Swiss, Germans, Danes, Norwegians, Poles, Scots, Austrians, etc., etc., etc. really celebrate laziness?

3. Strong worker protection laws, whether in France or in the any branch of U.S. economy, in no way represent a "celebration of laziness". Such protections may result in an incompetent worker retaining a job he/she shouldn't, but they also protect competent workers from the arbitrary whims and prejudices of irrational or biased management. Such protections have pros and cons, but they are not a celebration of laziness. Also, "incompetent" is not a synonym for "lazy". Some incompetent people work their asses off while accomplishing nothing, while some lazy people are extremely productive because they find shortcuts or more efficient ways of doing things in their drive to reduce the demands of their working day.

4. Wanting or receiving benefits or reduced working hours is not the same as being lazy. Most humans would like more benefits and fewer hours, but that in no way implies they're slackers on the job or don't work their butts off while there. Perhaps the U.S. should go back to a 6-day, 12-hours-per-day work week, with no benefits like paid sick leave or vacations, no retirement, no work-site safety regulations, no worker's compensation, etc.? We don't want to foster a culture that celebrates laziness at work!

Nobody ever said no benefits but Europe as a whole has gone way too far the other direction. What is it with liberals always wanting to emulate Europe. If that's the kind of thing you want have at it but remember you can't build a prosperous nation like that.
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He's french so it's not surprising. Europeans celebrate laziness when it comes to working so it actually makes perfect sense.

:blink:/> Seriously?

I'm really beginning to wonder if you aren't just pulling our leg with some of the wild stereotypes and absolutes you post. Certainly SOME Europeans are lazy, just as some people on every continent are lazy (with the possible exception of Antarctica--just getting there implies some degree of industriousness). But I have never heard anyone label the entire population of Europe as 'lazy' before.

It's a free country, you're entitled to your beliefs, but are you serious, or just posting under an assumed satirical comedic persona...sort of the 'Stephen Colbert' of this forum?

[if the latter, then I applaud you for doing a much better, more creative, more entertaining job than ichy does with his fake "illiterate conservative" schtick. :thumbsup: ]

He isn't that far off when it comes to the culture in Europe. We celebrate individuality and personal success in the US, and being on time for meetings is important here. In Europe these cultural values aren't held as high. As Americans we tend to believe that everybody in the world should do as we do, and many of our cultural norms are offensive in some countries.
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He's french so it's not surprising. Europeans celebrate laziness when it comes to working so it actually makes perfect sense.

:blink:/> Seriously?

I'm really beginning to wonder if you aren't just pulling our leg with some of the wild stereotypes and absolutes you post. Certainly SOME Europeans are lazy, just as some people on every continent are lazy (with the possible exception of Antarctica--just getting there implies some degree of industriousness). But I have never heard anyone label the entire population of Europe as 'lazy' before.

It's a free country, you're entitled to your beliefs, but are you serious, or just posting under an assumed satirical comedic persona...sort of the 'Stephen Colbert' of this forum?

[if the latter, then I applaud you for doing a much better, more creative, more entertaining job than ichy does with his fake "illiterate conservative" schtick. :thumbsup: ]

The welfare state in Europe makes what we have in the United States look like child's play. In France it is nearly impossible to fire a bad worker. It is easier to fire a bad teacher here and that is not an exaggeration. They demand and get all manner of benefits and demand and get less time at work. They get all up in arms at any attempt to even modestly curb this.

My concern is with your statement that "Europeans celebrate laziness when it comes to working".

1. The level of benefits a government provides to its people is not a measure of how "lazy" said people might be, nor of the work ethic of the people.

2. France is only one nation in Europe. (Even if one accepts, momentarily for the sake of discussion, a stereotype that all French are lazy.) There is no rational basis for taking conditions in France, good or bad, as definite of all nations or people in Europe. Do Swiss, Germans, Danes, Norwegians, Poles, Scots, Austrians, etc., etc., etc. really celebrate laziness?

3. Strong worker protection laws, whether in France or in the any branch of U.S. economy, in no way represent a "celebration of laziness". Such protections may result in an incompetent worker retaining a job he/she shouldn't, but they also protect competent workers from the arbitrary whims and prejudices of irrational or biased management. Such protections have pros and cons, but they are not a celebration of laziness. Also, "incompetent" is not a synonym for "lazy". Some incompetent people work their asses off while accomplishing nothing, while some lazy people are extremely productive because they find shortcuts or more efficient ways of doing things in their drive to reduce the demands of their working day.

4. Wanting or receiving benefits or reduced working hours is not the same as being lazy. Most humans would like more benefits and fewer hours, but that in no way implies they're slackers on the job or don't work their butts off while there. Perhaps the U.S. should go back to a 6-day, 12-hours-per-day work week, with no benefits like paid sick leave or vacations, no retirement, no work-site safety regulations, no worker's compensation, etc.? We don't want to foster a culture that celebrates laziness at work!

Nobody ever said no benefits but Europe as a whole has gone way too far the other direction. What is it with liberals always wanting to emulate Europe. If that's the kind of thing you want have at it but remember you can't build a prosperous nation like that.

Yep, apparently you can only build 19 (or practically 2/3rds) of the world's 30 most prosperous nations the European way. <_<

http://www.businessi...e-world-2014-11

http://www.theguardi...perity-rankings

Damn those pesky facts! :-\

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what is it about the French, or maybe that part of Europe, which sees the human body as an art form unlike anywhere else int he world ?

Dude should find his way to Muscle Beach.

Indeed. So he and others like him can gawk at one another...
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