Obama concerned with less than loving christians

[icanthearyou 4,462]

More pandering to his leftist atheist base...

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Seems rather "politically convenient" coming from you, Raptor. All too happy to USE the Christians when it serves your purposes?

Yup. Pretty convenient to "use" Christians when the discussion is concerning Christians. That is not "using" at all. That is discussing the leftist attack on Christians. Gonna have to do better than that.

Who exactly are the "leftists" and, how are they attacking Christianity?

A self-proclaimed atheist, proclaiming the political left is defined by atheism, doesn't seem strange to you?

If you wish to embrace this new form of McCarthyism and, cast the liberals as the "communists", that is fine. However, I would caution using Christ in this endeavor. I would also suggest a cursory review of 20th century politics.

Nobody is using Christ. Apparently you think standing up for Christianity is using Christ for political gain. I agree the recent comments from obama aren't an actual attack, but it is very frustrating watching the leader of the "free" world refuse to acknowledge that Islamic extremism exists while taking pot shots at Christianity. As for the real attack....

1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:

December 2009-Present - The annual White House Christmas cards, rather than focusing on Christmas or faith, instead highlight things such as the family dogs. And the White House Christmas tree ornaments include figures such as Mao Tse-Tung and a drag queen. [1]

June 2013 – The Obama Department of Justice defunds a Young Marines chapter in Louisiana because their oath mentioned God, and another youth program because it permits a voluntary student-led prayer. [2]

February 2013 – The Obama Administration announces that the rights of religious conscience for individuals will not be protected under the Affordable Care Act. [3]

January 2013 – Pastor Louie Giglio is pressured to remove himself from praying at the inauguration after it is discovered he once preached a sermon supporting the Biblical definition of marriage. [4]

February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion. [5]

January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis. [6]

December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries' religious beliefs as an obstacle to radical homosexual rights. [7]

November 2011 – President Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt's famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial. [8]

November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech. [9]

August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception. [10]

April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring. [11]

February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress. [12]

January 2011 – After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court. [13]

November 2010 – Obama misquotes the National Motto, saying it is "E pluribus unum" rather than "In God We Trust" as established by federal law. [14]

October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about "the Creator" when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions. [15]

May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House. [16]

April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name be covered when he is making his speech. [17]

April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three. [18]

February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011. [19]

April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they "cling to guns or religion" and have an "antipathy to people who aren't like them." [20]

2. Acts of hostility from the Obama-led military toward people of Biblical faith:

June 2014 - Official U. S. government personnel, both civilian and military, in Bahrain (a small Arabic nation near Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Iran) must wear clothing that facilitates the religious observance of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.​ [21]

March 2014 - ​Maxell Air Force Base suddenly bans Gideons from handing out Bibles to willing recruits, a practice that had been occurring for years previously. [22]

December 2013 - A naval facility required that two nativity scenes -- scenes depicting the event that caused Christmas to be declared a national federal holiday -- be removed from the base dining hall and be confined to the base chapel, thus disallowing the open public acknowledgment of this national federal holiday. [23]

December 2013 - An Air Force base that allowed various public displays ordered the removal of one simply because it contained religious content. [24]

October 2013 – A counter-intelligence briefing at Fort Hood tells soldiers that evangelical Christians are a threat to Americans and that for a soldier to donate to such a group "was punishable under military regulations." [25]

October 2013 – Catholic priests hired to serve as military chaplains are prohibited from performing Mass services at base chapels during the government financial shutdown. When they offered to freely do Mass for soldiers, without regard to whether or not the chaplains were receiving pay, they are still denied permission to do so. [26]

October 2013 - The Air Force Academy, in response to a complaint from Mikey Weinstein's Military Religious Freedom Foundation, makes "so help me God" optional in cadets' honor oath. [27]

August 2013 - A Department of Defense military training manual teaches soldiers that people who talk about "individual liberties, states' rights, and how to make the world a better place" are "extremists." It also lists the Founding Fathers -- those "colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule" -- as examples of those involved in "extremist ideologies and movements." [28]

August 2013 - A Senior Master Sergeant was removed from his position and reassigned because he told his openly lesbian squadron commander that she should not punish a staff sergeant who expressed his views in favor of traditional marriage. [29]

August 2013 - The military does not provide heterosexual couples specific paid leave to travel to a state just for the purpose of being married, but it did extend these benefits to homosexual couples who want to marry, thus giving them preferential treatment not available to heterosexuals. [30]

August 2013 - The Air Force, in the midst of having launched a series of attacks against those expressing traditional religious or moral views, invited a drag queen group to perform at a base. [31]

July 2013 - When an Air Force sergeant with years of military service questioned a same-sex marriage ceremony performed at the Air Force Academy's chapel, he received a letter of reprimand telling him that if he disagreed, he needed to get out of the military. His current six-year reenlistment was then reduced to only one-year, with the notification that he "be prepared to retire at the end of this year." [32]

July 2013 - An Air Force chaplain who posted a website article on the importance of faith and the origin of the phrase "There are no atheists in foxholes" was officially ordered to remove his post because some were offended by the use of that famous World War II phrase. [33]

June 2013 - The U. S. Air Force, in consultation with the Pentagon, removed an inspirational painting that for years has been hanging at Mountain Home Air Force Base because its title was "Blessed Are The Peacemakers" -- a phrase from Matthew 5:9 in the Bible. [34]

June 2013 – The Obama administration "strongly objects" to a Defense Authorization amendment to protect the constitutionally-guaranteed religious rights of soldiers and chaplains, claiming that it would have an "adverse effect on good order, discipline, morale, and mission accomplishment." [35]

June 2013 – At a joint base in New Jersey, a video was made, based on a Super Bowl commercial, to honor First Sergeants. It stated: "On the eighth day, God looked down on His creation and said, 'I need someone who will take care of the Airmen.' So God created a First Sergeant." Because the video mentioned the word "God," the Air Force required that it be taken down. [36]

June 2013 – An Army Master Sergeant is reprimanded, threatened with judicial action, and given a bad efficiency report, being told he was "no longer a team player," because he voiced his support of traditional marriage at his own promotion party. [37]

May 2013 - The Pentagon announces that "Air Force members are free to express their personal religious beliefs as long as it does not make others uncomfortable. "Proselytizing (inducing someone to convert to one's faith) goes over that line," [38] affirming if a sharing of faith makes someone feel uncomfortable that it could be a court-marital offense [39] -- the military equivalent of a civil felony.

May 2013 - An Air Force officer was actually made to remove a personal Bible from his own desk because it "might" appear that he was condoning the particular religion to which he belonged. [40]

April 2013 – Officials briefing U.S. Army soldiers placed "Evangelical Christianity" and "Catholicism" in a list that also included Al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, and Hamas as examples of "religious extremism." [41]

April 2013 – The U.S. Army directs troops to scratch off and paint over tiny Scripture verse references that for decades had been forged into weapon scopes. [42]

April 2013 - The Air Force creates a "religious tolerance" policy but consults only a militant atheist group to do so -- a group whose leader has described military personnel who are religious as 'spiritual rapists' and 'human monsters' [43] and who also says that soldiers who proselytize are guilty of treason and sedition and should be punished to hold back a "tidal wave of fundamentalists." [44]

January 2013 – President Obama announced his opposition to a provision in the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act protecting the rights of conscience for military chaplains. [45]

June 2012 – Bibles for the American military have been printed in every conflict since the American Revolution, but the Obama Administration revokes the long-standing U. S. policy of allowing military service emblems to be placed on those military Bibles. [46]

May 2012 – The Obama administration opposed legislation to protect the rights of conscience for military chaplains who do not wish to perform same-sex marriages in violation of their strongly-held religious beliefs. [47]

April 2012 – A checklist for Air Force Inns will no longer include ensuring that a Bible is available in rooms for those who want to use them. [48]

February 2012 – The U. S. Military Academy at West Point disinvites three star Army general and decorated war hero Lieutenant General William G. ("Jerry") Boykin (retired) from speaking at an event because he is an outspoken Christian. [49]

February 2012 – The Air Force removes "God" from the patch of Rapid Capabilities Office (the word on the patch was in Latin: Dei). [50]

February 2012 – The Army ordered Catholic chaplains not to read a letter to parishioners that their archbishop asked them to read. [51]

November 2011 – The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child, a program to send holiday gifts to impoverished children across the world, because the program is run by a Christian charity. [52]

November 2011 – President Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt's famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial. [53]

November 2011 – Even while restricting and disapprobating Christian religious expressions, the Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for pagans, druids, witches and Wiccans at the Air Force Academy. [54]

September 2011 – Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of programs and services available to them from chaplains. [55]

September 2011 – The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that "No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit." [56]

August 2011 – The Air Force stops teaching the Just War theory to officers in California because the course is taught by chaplains and is based on a philosophy introduced by St. Augustine in the third century AD – a theory long taught by civilized nations across the world (except now, America). [57]

June 2011 – The Department of Veterans Affairs forbids references to God and Jesus during burial ceremonies at Houston National Cemetery. [58]

January 2010 – Because of "concerns" raised by the Department of Defense, tiny Bible verse references that had appeared for decades on scopes and gunsights were removed. [59]

More pandering to his leftist atheist base...

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Seems rather "politically convenient" coming from you, Raptor. All too happy to USE the Christians when it serves your purposes?

Yup. Pretty convenient to "use" Christians when the discussion is concerning Christians. That is not "using" at all. That is discussing the leftist attack on Christians. Gonna have to do better than that.

Who exactly are the "leftists" and, how are they attacking Christianity?

A self-proclaimed atheist, proclaiming the political left is defined by atheism, doesn't seem strange to you?

If you wish to embrace this new form of McCarthyism and, cast the liberals as the "communists", that is fine. However, I would caution using Christ in this endeavor. I would also suggest a cursory review of 20th century politics.

Nobody is using Christ. Apparently you think standing up for Christianity is using Christ for political gain. I agree the recent comments from obama aren't an actual attack, but it is very frustrating watching the leader of the "free" world refuse to acknowledge that Islamic extremism exists while taking pot shots at Christianity. As for the real attack....

1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:

December 2009-Present - The annual White House Christmas cards, rather than focusing on Christmas or faith, instead highlight things such as the family dogs. And the White House Christmas tree ornaments include figures such as Mao Tse-Tung and a drag queen. [1]

June 2013 – The Obama Department of Justice defunds a Young Marines chapter in Louisiana because their oath mentioned God, and another youth program because it permits a voluntary student-led prayer. [2]

February 2013 – The Obama Administration announces that the rights of religious conscience for individuals will not be protected under the Affordable Care Act. [3]

January 2013 – Pastor Louie Giglio is pressured to remove himself from praying at the inauguration after it is discovered he once preached a sermon supporting the Biblical definition of marriage. [4]

February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion. [5]

January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis. [6]

December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries' religious beliefs as an obstacle to radical homosexual rights. [7]

November 2011 – President Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt's famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial. [8]

November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech. [9]

August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception. [10]

April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring. [11]

February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress. [12]

January 2011 – After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court. [13]

November 2010 – Obama misquotes the National Motto, saying it is "E pluribus unum" rather than "In God We Trust" as established by federal law. [14]

October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about "the Creator" when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions. [15]

May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House. [16]

April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name be covered when he is making his speech. [17]

April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three. [18]

February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011. [19]

April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they "cling to guns or religion" and have an "antipathy to people who aren't like them." [20]

2. Acts of hostility from the Obama-led military toward people of Biblical faith:

June 2014 - Official U. S. government personnel, both civilian and military, in Bahrain (a small Arabic nation near Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Iran) must wear clothing that facilitates the religious observance of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.​ [21]

March 2014 - ​Maxell Air Force Base suddenly bans Gideons from handing out Bibles to willing recruits, a practice that had been occurring for years previously. [22]

December 2013 - A naval facility required that two nativity scenes -- scenes depicting the event that caused Christmas to be declared a national federal holiday -- be removed from the base dining hall and be confined to the base chapel, thus disallowing the open public acknowledgment of this national federal holiday. [23]

December 2013 - An Air Force base that allowed various public displays ordered the removal of one simply because it contained religious content. [24]

October 2013 – A counter-intelligence briefing at Fort Hood tells soldiers that evangelical Christians are a threat to Americans and that for a soldier to donate to such a group "was punishable under military regulations." [25]

October 2013 – Catholic priests hired to serve as military chaplains are prohibited from performing Mass services at base chapels during the government financial shutdown. When they offered to freely do Mass for soldiers, without regard to whether or not the chaplains were receiving pay, they are still denied permission to do so. [26]

October 2013 - The Air Force Academy, in response to a complaint from Mikey Weinstein's Military Religious Freedom Foundation, makes "so help me God" optional in cadets' honor oath. [27]

August 2013 - A Department of Defense military training manual teaches soldiers that people who talk about "individual liberties, states' rights, and how to make the world a better place" are "extremists." It also lists the Founding Fathers -- those "colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule" -- as examples of those involved in "extremist ideologies and movements." [28]

August 2013 - A Senior Master Sergeant was removed from his position and reassigned because he told his openly lesbian squadron commander that she should not punish a staff sergeant who expressed his views in favor of traditional marriage. [29]

August 2013 - The military does not provide heterosexual couples specific paid leave to travel to a state just for the purpose of being married, but it did extend these benefits to homosexual couples who want to marry, thus giving them preferential treatment not available to heterosexuals. [30]

August 2013 - The Air Force, in the midst of having launched a series of attacks against those expressing traditional religious or moral views, invited a drag queen group to perform at a base. [31]

July 2013 - When an Air Force sergeant with years of military service questioned a same-sex marriage ceremony performed at the Air Force Academy's chapel, he received a letter of reprimand telling him that if he disagreed, he needed to get out of the military. His current six-year reenlistment was then reduced to only one-year, with the notification that he "be prepared to retire at the end of this year." [32]

July 2013 - An Air Force chaplain who posted a website article on the importance of faith and the origin of the phrase "There are no atheists in foxholes" was officially ordered to remove his post because some were offended by the use of that famous World War II phrase. [33]

June 2013 - The U. S. Air Force, in consultation with the Pentagon, removed an inspirational painting that for years has been hanging at Mountain Home Air Force Base because its title was "Blessed Are The Peacemakers" -- a phrase from Matthew 5:9 in the Bible. [34]

June 2013 – The Obama administration "strongly objects" to a Defense Authorization amendment to protect the constitutionally-guaranteed religious rights of soldiers and chaplains, claiming that it would have an "adverse effect on good order, discipline, morale, and mission accomplishment." [35]

June 2013 – At a joint base in New Jersey, a video was made, based on a Super Bowl commercial, to honor First Sergeants. It stated: "On the eighth day, God looked down on His creation and said, 'I need someone who will take care of the Airmen.' So God created a First Sergeant." Because the video mentioned the word "God," the Air Force required that it be taken down. [36]

June 2013 – An Army Master Sergeant is reprimanded, threatened with judicial action, and given a bad efficiency report, being told he was "no longer a team player," because he voiced his support of traditional marriage at his own promotion party. [37]

May 2013 - The Pentagon announces that "Air Force members are free to express their personal religious beliefs as long as it does not make others uncomfortable. "Proselytizing (inducing someone to convert to one's faith) goes over that line," [38] affirming if a sharing of faith makes someone feel uncomfortable that it could be a court-marital offense [39] -- the military equivalent of a civil felony.

May 2013 - An Air Force officer was actually made to remove a personal Bible from his own desk because it "might" appear that he was condoning the particular religion to which he belonged. [40]

April 2013 – Officials briefing U.S. Army soldiers placed "Evangelical Christianity" and "Catholicism" in a list that also included Al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, and Hamas as examples of "religious extremism." [41]

April 2013 – The U.S. Army directs troops to scratch off and paint over tiny Scripture verse references that for decades had been forged into weapon scopes. [42]

April 2013 - The Air Force creates a "religious tolerance" policy but consults only a militant atheist group to do so -- a group whose leader has described military personnel who are religious as 'spiritual rapists' and 'human monsters' [43] and who also says that soldiers who proselytize are guilty of treason and sedition and should be punished to hold back a "tidal wave of fundamentalists." [44]

January 2013 – President Obama announced his opposition to a provision in the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act protecting the rights of conscience for military chaplains. [45]

June 2012 – Bibles for the American military have been printed in every conflict since the American Revolution, but the Obama Administration revokes the long-standing U. S. policy of allowing military service emblems to be placed on those military Bibles. [46]

May 2012 – The Obama administration opposed legislation to protect the rights of conscience for military chaplains who do not wish to perform same-sex marriages in violation of their strongly-held religious beliefs. [47]

April 2012 – A checklist for Air Force Inns will no longer include ensuring that a Bible is available in rooms for those who want to use them. [48]

February 2012 – The U. S. Military Academy at West Point disinvites three star Army general and decorated war hero Lieutenant General William G. ("Jerry") Boykin (retired) from speaking at an event because he is an outspoken Christian. [49]

February 2012 – The Air Force removes "God" from the patch of Rapid Capabilities Office (the word on the patch was in Latin: Dei). [50]

February 2012 – The Army ordered Catholic chaplains not to read a letter to parishioners that their archbishop asked them to read. [51]

November 2011 – The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child, a program to send holiday gifts to impoverished children across the world, because the program is run by a Christian charity. [52]

November 2011 – President Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt's famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial. [53]

November 2011 – Even while restricting and disapprobating Christian religious expressions, the Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for pagans, druids, witches and Wiccans at the Air Force Academy. [54]

September 2011 – Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of programs and services available to them from chaplains. [55]

September 2011 – The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that "No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit." [56]

August 2011 – The Air Force stops teaching the Just War theory to officers in California because the course is taught by chaplains and is based on a philosophy introduced by St. Augustine in the third century AD – a theory long taught by civilized nations across the world (except now, America). [57]

June 2011 – The Department of Veterans Affairs forbids references to God and Jesus during burial ceremonies at Houston National Cemetery. [58]

January 2010 – Because of "concerns" raised by the Department of Defense, tiny Bible verse references that had appeared for decades on scopes and gunsights were removed. [59]

You do realize that most of your references are related to the military, don't you? We need to get Jesus back in the Army? What, you want to fight people who kill in the name of god by killing in the name of God? Do you think that might make us look a little hypocritical?

Let's just go with your own assessment though: " I agree the recent comments from obama aren't an actual attack,....."

Do you believe you are:

Defending Christ

Defending Christianity

Promoting partisanship

[FoundationEagle 637]

Actually only parts of my list are military...and yes..we are one nation UNDER GOD. We should absolutely seek out evil and eradicate it in the name of Jesus (and by evil I mean those committing genocide against Christians)

You have no argument for all the non-military items so you attack with the one minute detail you can find. And for my own assessment, I am doing none of the things on your list with that statement. I am simply not agreeing with using that comment as a basis to claim obama is anti-Christian. The list I provided gives much stronger points to validate the argument.

I guess you believe we should tell soldiers they can't have bibles and force pastors to perform gay weddings and force people to retire for supporting traditional marraige. Those are the type of "military" things listed that seem to oppose.....so you support silencing all Christian voices and forcing Christians out of the military and adding Catholics to the extremist list....

[icanthearyou 4,462]

Actually only parts of my list are military...and yes..we are one nation UNDER GOD. We should absolutely seek out evil and eradicate it in the name of Jesus (and by evil I mean those committing genocide against Christians)

You have no argument for all the non-military items so you attack with the one minute detail you can find. And for my own assessment, I am doing none of the things on your list with that statement. I am simply not agreeing with using that comment as a basis to claim obama is anti-Christian. The list I provided gives much stronger points to validate the argument.

I guess you believe we should tell soldiers they can't have bibles and force pastors to perform gay weddings and force people to retire for supporting traditional marraige. Those are the type of "military" things listed that seem to oppose.....so you support silencing all Christian voices and forcing Christians out of the military and adding Catholics to the extremist list....

I think Christians should be positive and loving in their expressions of faith. I do not believe they should seek the government limiting the rights of others as a means of protecting their own beliefs.

I doubt Jesus wants to be in the military or the government. In my most humble opinion, He would rather be in our hearts. I do not believe that Christ is political, at all. Christ does not bend us to His will. He offers His love, guidance, compassion and, asks us to follow. I think we have to be very cautious in regards to the causes we take up in the name of Christ, particularly when they involve any form of force.

[aubfaninga 16]

Actually only parts of my list are military...and yes..we are one nation UNDER GOD. We should absolutely seek out evil and eradicate it in the name of Jesus (and by evil I mean those committing genocide against Christians)

You have no argument for all the non-military items so you attack with the one minute detail you can find. And for my own assessment, I am doing none of the things on your list with that statement. I am simply not agreeing with using that comment as a basis to claim obama is anti-Christian. The list I provided gives much stronger points to validate the argument.

I guess you believe we should tell soldiers they can't have bibles and force pastors to perform gay weddings and force people to retire for supporting traditional marraige. Those are the type of "military" things listed that seem to oppose.....so you support silencing all Christian voices and forcing Christians out of the military and adding Catholics to the extremist list....

I think Christians should be positive and loving in their exp<b></b>ressions of faith. I do not believe they should seek the government limiting the rights of others as a means of protecting their own beliefs.

I doubt Jesus wants to be in the military or the government. In my most humble opinion, He would rather be in our hearts. I do not believe that Christ is political, at all. Christ does not bend us to His will. He offers His love, guidance, compassion and, asks us to follow. I think we have to be very cautious in regards to the causes we take up in the name of Christ, particularly when they involve any form of force.

"be wise as serpents and HARMLESS as doves"

and elsewhere...

"Vengeance is mine" (the Lords that is)

[FoundationEagle 637]

Actually only parts of my list are military...and yes..we are one nation UNDER GOD. We should absolutely seek out evil and eradicate it in the name of Jesus (and by evil I mean those committing genocide against Christians)

You have no argument for all the non-military items so you attack with the one minute detail you can find. And for my own assessment, I am doing none of the things on your list with that statement. I am simply not agreeing with using that comment as a basis to claim obama is anti-Christian. The list I provided gives much stronger points to validate the argument.

I guess you believe we should tell soldiers they can't have bibles and force pastors to perform gay weddings and force people to retire for supporting traditional marraige. Those are the type of "military" things listed that seem to oppose.....so you support silencing all Christian voices and forcing Christians out of the military and adding Catholics to the extremist list....

I think Christians should be positive and loving in their exp<b></b>ressions of faith. I do not believe they should seek the government limiting the rights of others as a means of protecting their own beliefs.

I doubt Jesus wants to be in the military or the government. In my most humble opinion, He would rather be in our hearts. I do not believe that Christ is political, at all. Christ does not bend us to His will. He offers His love, guidance, compassion and, asks us to follow. I think we have to be very cautious in regards to the causes we take up in the name of Christ, particularly when they involve any form of force.

So being allowed to carry their own bibles, support their own religious beliefs and not be forced to act in a manner contradictory to those beliefs, not being forced out for having those beliefs, and being put on extremists lists for being Catholic is somehow seeking the government to limit the rights of others? It is in fact the government limiting the rights of Christians, not the other way around. Anybody that graduated elementary school can see that clear as day.

As for Jesus and war...

Deuteronomy 20:10-12: “When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it.”

[AUUSN 823]

So being allowed to carry their own bibles, support their own religious beliefs and not be forced to act in a manner contradictory to those beliefs, not being forced out for having those beliefs, and being put on extremists lists for being Catholic is somehow seeking the government to limit the rights of others? It is in fact the government limiting the rights of Christians, not the other way around. Anybody that graduated elementary school can see that clear as day.

As for Jesus and war...

Deuteronomy 20:10-12: "When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it."

Please stop speaking of the military on this subject as you have no idea what you are talking about; only what you have read on some kooky website. Thanks.

[FoundationEagle 637]

So being allowed to carry their own bibles, support their own religious beliefs and not be forced to act in a manner contradictory to those beliefs, not being forced out for having those beliefs, and being put on extremists lists for being Catholic is somehow seeking the government to limit the rights of others? It is in fact the government limiting the rights of Christians, not the other way around. Anybody that graduated elementary school can see that clear as day.

As for Jesus and war...

Deuteronomy 20:10-12: "When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it."

Please stop speaking of the military on this subject as you have no idea what you are talking about; only what you have read on some kooky website. Thanks.

Typical response from somebody that has no defense or input on the matter. Kooky website? Google is your friend. Check it out, every single one of those events happened. You're the one that has no clue what you're talking about so please stop interjecting you're useless opinion. Don't bother shooting the messenger just because you can't dispute the facts. Thanks!

[AUUSN 823]

So being allowed to carry their own bibles, support their own religious beliefs and not be forced to act in a manner contradictory to those beliefs, not being forced out for having those beliefs, and being put on extremists lists for being Catholic is somehow seeking the government to limit the rights of others? It is in fact the government limiting the rights of Christians, not the other way around. Anybody that graduated elementary school can see that clear as day.

As for Jesus and war...

Deuteronomy 20:10-12: "When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it."

Please stop speaking of the military on this subject as you have no idea what you are talking about; only what you have read on some kooky website. Thanks.

Typical response from somebody that has no defense or input on the matter. Kooky website? Google is your friend. Check it out, every single one of those events happened. You're the one that has no clue what you're talking about so please stop interjecting you're useless opinion. Don't bother shooting the messenger just because you can't dispute the facts. Thanks!

I don't need google Skippy, I have my career as evidence that the crap you referenced is BS. I've never told one of my troops they can't carry a bible. I didn't tell my Civilian that works for me to wash his forehead. My base held a sunrise service and I attended Easter Service at our Base Chapel. I have been taught about Just War, at the Air Force War College.

[FoundationEagle 637]

So being allowed to carry their own bibles, support their own religious beliefs and not be forced to act in a manner contradictory to those beliefs, not being forced out for having those beliefs, and being put on extremists lists for being Catholic is somehow seeking the government to limit the rights of others? It is in fact the government limiting the rights of Christians, not the other way around. Anybody that graduated elementary school can see that clear as day.

As for Jesus and war...

Deuteronomy 20:10-12: "When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it."

Please stop speaking of the military on this subject as you have no idea what you are talking about; only what you have read on some kooky website. Thanks.

Typical response from somebody that has no defense or input on the matter. Kooky website? Google is your friend. Check it out, every single one of those events happened. You're the one that has no clue what you're talking about so please stop interjecting you're useless opinion. Don't bother shooting the messenger just because you can't dispute the facts. Thanks!

I don't need google Skippy, I have my career as evidence that the crap you referenced is BS. I've never told one of my troops they can't carry a bible. I didn't tell my Civilian that works for me to wash his forehead. My base held a sunrise service and I attended Easter Service at our Base Chapel. I have been taught about Just War, at the Air Force War College.

Oh I get it, because you didn't personally do it it's not plausible that other people did. Good point. You must be right. It must all be lies from some kooky website simply because it didn't happen at the base that you were at. Sorry, but that doesn't prove a damn thing except that maybe you didn't partake. Most of the events are listed have been widely reported and burying your head in the sand is not proof that they did not happen

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As for Jesus and war...

Deuteronomy 20:10-12: "When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it."

Let's follow that passage further, Deuteronomy 20:10-18 (quoting the King James version since that is apparently the version you quote):

"When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.

Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..."

While I respect your right to hold your own beliefs, I really don't think this is Jesus' belief about war. In fact, it sounds more like the actions of ISIS. At the very least, if we practice some of this--smiting all males, taking captured women unto ourselves, or slaying everything that breathes--we would quickly be charged with war crimes by modern Western standards and deservedly so!

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Actually only parts of my list are military...and yes..we are one nation UNDER GOD. We should absolutely seek out evil and eradicate it in the name of Jesus (and by evil I mean those committing genocide against Christians)

You have no argument for all the non-military items so you attack with the one minute detail you can find. And for my own assessment, I am doing none of the things on your list with that statement. I am simply not agreeing with using that comment as a basis to claim obama is anti-Christian. The list I provided gives much stronger points to validate the argument.

I guess you believe we should tell soldiers they can't have bibles and force pastors to perform gay weddings and force people to retire for supporting traditional marraige. Those are the type of "military" things listed that seem to oppose.....so you support silencing all Christian voices and forcing Christians out of the military and adding Catholics to the extremist list....

I think Christians should be positive and loving in their exp<b></b>ressions of faith. I do not believe they should seek the government limiting the rights of others as a means of protecting their own beliefs.

I doubt Jesus wants to be in the military or the government. In my most humble opinion, He would rather be in our hearts. I do not believe that Christ is political, at all. Christ does not bend us to His will. He offers His love, guidance, compassion and, asks us to follow. I think we have to be very cautious in regards to the causes we take up in the name of Christ, particularly when they involve any form of force.

So being allowed to carry their own bibles, support their own religious beliefs and not be forced to act in a manner contradictory to those beliefs, not being forced out for having those beliefs, and being put on extremists lists for being Catholic is somehow seeking the government to limit the rights of others? It is in fact the government limiting the rights of Christians, not the other way around. Anybody that graduated elementary school can see that clear as day.

As for Jesus and war...

Deuteronomy 20:10-12: “When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it.”

Mark 6:11 gives More detail to Deuteronomy 20:10-12.

Warfare Jesus style!!!

[FoundationEagle 637]

As for Jesus and war...

Deuteronomy 20:10-12: "When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it."

Let's follow that passage further, Deuteronomy 20:10-18 (quoting the King James version since that is apparently the version you quote):

"When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.

Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..."

While I respect your right to hold your own beliefs, I really don't think this is Jesus' belief about war. In fact, it sounds more like the actions of ISIS. At the very least, if we practice some of this--smiting all males, taking captured women unto ourselves, or slaying everything that breathes--we would quickly be charged with war crimes by modern Western standards and deservedly so!

While I agree that there things in the bible we should take with a grain of salt this day and age, I used the verse to show that Christianity is not completely based off being pacifist. You have a valid point and I don't disagree.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

So, what is it exactly that our government is doing to our military I'm terms of religion?

I have friend in military who have lived all over the world. They've never experienced this.

[quietfan 233]

Meanwhile , our former masters...

David Cameron declares: 'Britain is still a Christian country'

And Britain has an officially recognized state Church, the Church of England, with its monarch as the state-recognized head of that church, something expressly forbidden by our Constitution.

Indeed Great Britain was once our master, but we overthrew that yoke under the leadership of those Founding Fathers that the Right loves to idealize. And religious liberty was one of the freedoms for which those founders fought.

At least four of our original 13 states were initially colonized by people fleeing religious persecution: Massachusetts by Puritans/Pilgrims, Maryland by Catholics, and Pennsylvania by Quakers, all of whom endured discrimination at the hands the official Church of England. Then Rhode Island was founded by persons fleeing the persecution of Puritans in Massachusetts. So which particular brand of Christianity was Prime Minister Cameron talking about?

[quietfan 233]

As for Jesus and war...

Deuteronomy 20:10-12: "When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it."

Let's follow that passage further, Deuteronomy 20:10-18 (quoting the King James version since that is apparently the version you quote):

"When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.

Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..."

While I respect your right to hold your own beliefs, I really don't think this is Jesus' belief about war. In fact, it sounds more like the actions of ISIS. At the very least, if we practice some of this--smiting all males, taking captured women unto ourselves, or slaying everything that breathes--we would quickly be charged with war crimes by modern Western standards and deservedly so!

While I agree that there things in the bible we should take with a grain of salt this day and age, I used the verse to show that Christianity is not completely based off being pacifist. You have a valid point and I don't disagree.

And I have a better understanding of your point and the purpose of your post now. Thanks.

Certainly all three Abrahimic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, have at times endorsed warfare in their history and/or scripture.

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So, what is it exactly that our government is doing to our military I'm terms of religion?

I have friend in military who have lived all over the world. They've never experienced this.

Nothing and that's my point. Per DoD

It is DoD policy that requests for accommodation of religious practices should be approved by commanders..." [emphasis added] To this exhortation is added, however, a critical caveat: requests for accommodation should be approved, but only "when accommodation will not have an adverse impact on military readiness, unit cohesion, standards, or discipline."

www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/130017p.pdf

[AURaptor 1,122]

Who exactly are the "leftists" and, how are they attacking Christianity?

Obama, would be one. He was mocking Christians at an EASTER PRAYER BREAKFAST... seems pretty cut and dry to me.

A self-proclaimed atheist, proclaiming the political left is defined by atheism, doesn't seem strange to you?

I didn't proclaim any such thing. Must not be talking about me.

If you wish to embrace this new form of McCarthyism and, cast the liberals as the "communists", that is fine. However, I would caution using Christ in this endeavor. I would also suggest a cursory review of 20th century politics.

Wooo ! Veiled " Hitler " reference ?

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Who exactly are the "leftists" and, how are they attacking Christianity?

Obama, would be one. He was mocking Christians at an EASTER PRAYER BREAKFAST... seems pretty cut and dry to me.

A self-proclaimed atheist, proclaiming the political left is defined by atheism, doesn't seem strange to you?

I didn't proclaim any such thing. Must not be talking about me.

If you wish to embrace this new form of McCarthyism and, cast the liberals as the "communists", that is fine. However, I would caution using Christ in this endeavor. I would also suggest a cursory review of 20th century politics.

Wooo ! Veiled " Hitler " reference ?

Do yourself a favor and save your sanity. Just ignore him.

[AURaptor 1,122]

Gutfeld , as usual, nails it.

https://youtu.be/16TA_ShW58I

[FoundationEagle 637]

So, what is it exactly that our government is doing to our military I'm terms of religion?

I have friend in military who have lived all over the world. They've never experienced this.

Go back 2 pages and read my very long post. The 2cnd half of the post details anti-Christian acts by military. If you doubt any of the instances, please look them up. They are all accurate. It may not be the whole military, but it is clearly happening. Those saying it isn't are simply refusing to even look at the evidence available.

[AUFAN78 3,894]

So, what is it exactly that our government is doing to our military I'm terms of religion?

I have friend in military who have lived all over the world. They've never experienced this.

Go back 2 pages and read my very long post. The 2cnd half of the post details anti-Christian acts by military. If you doubt any of the instances, please look them up. They are all accurate. It may not be the whole military, but it is clearly happening. Those saying it isn't are simply refusing to even look at the evidence available.

I will accept your claims of accuracy at present. However, I would like to see those that disagree with your (42?) claims provide precise examples where you were wrong.

[AUFAN78 3,894]

Our job is not to ask that God respond to our notion of truth -- our job is to be true to Him, His word, and His commandments. And we should assume humbly that we’re confused and don’t always know what we’re doing and we’re staggering and stumbling towards Him, and have some humility in that process. And that means we have to speak up against those who would misuse His name to justify oppression, or violence, or hatred with that fierce certainty. No God condones terror. No grievance justifies the taking of innocent lives, or the oppression of those who are weaker or fewer in number.

And so, as people of faith, we are summoned to push back against those who try to distort our religion -- any religion -- for their own nihilistic ends. And here at home and around the world, we will constantly reaffirm that fundamental freedom -- freedom of religion -- the right to practice our faith how we choose, to change our faith if we choose, to practice no faith at all if we choose, and to do so free of persecution and fear and discrimination.

There’s wisdom in our founders writing in those documents that help found this nation the notion of freedom of religion, because they understood the need for humility. They also understood the need to uphold freedom of speech, that there was a connection between freedom of speech and freedom of religion. For to infringe on one right under the pretext of protecting another is a betrayal of both.

https://www.whitehou...rayer-breakfast

I realize he likely didn't write much if any and he may or may not live it, but I also realize it was a very good speech per his usual.

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Our job is not to ask that God respond to our notion of truth -- our job is to be true to Him, His word, and His commandments. And we should assume humbly that we’re confused and don’t always know what we’re doing and we’re staggering and stumbling towards Him, and have some humility in that process. And that means we have to speak up against those who would misuse His name to justify oppression, or violence, or hatred with that fierce certainty. No God condones terror. No grievance justifies the taking of innocent lives, or the oppression of those who are weaker or fewer in number.

And so, as people of faith, we are summoned to push back against those who try to distort our religion -- any religion -- for their own nihilistic ends. And here at home and around the world, we will constantly reaffirm that fundamental freedom -- freedom of religion -- the right to practice our faith how we choose, to change our faith if we choose, to practice no faith at all if we choose, and to do so free of persecution and fear and discrimination.

There’s wisdom in our founders writing in those documents that help found this nation the notion of freedom of religion, because they understood the need for humility. They also understood the need to uphold freedom of speech, that there was a connection between freedom of speech and freedom of religion. For to infringe on one right under the pretext of protecting another is a betrayal of both.

https://www.whitehou...rayer-breakfast

I realize he likely didn't write much if any and he may or may not live it, but I also realize it was a very good speech per his usual.

He's great at speeches with the teleprompter. He doesn't go anywhere without the thing. As to the text of the speech, well it all sounded good but his actions always betray his words. He speaks of treating everyone equal but he's perfectly happy to infringe on the rights of Crhistians and conservatives all day long. He loves doing it or seeing it happen.

[homersapien 11,365]

Obama is a very poor example of a Christian .

Says the atheist. :-\

[AUUSN 823]

Our job is not to ask that God respond to our notion of truth -- our job is to be true to Him, His word, and His commandments. And we should assume humbly that we’re confused and don’t always know what we’re doing and we’re staggering and stumbling towards Him, and have some humility in that process. And that means we have to speak up against those who would misuse His name to justify oppression, or violence, or hatred with that fierce certainty. No God condones terror. No grievance justifies the taking of innocent lives, or the oppression of those who are weaker or fewer in number.

And so, as people of faith, we are summoned to push back against those who try to distort our religion -- any religion -- for their own nihilistic ends. And here at home and around the world, we will constantly reaffirm that fundamental freedom -- freedom of religion -- the right to practice our faith how we choose, to change our faith if we choose, to practice no faith at all if we choose, and to do so free of persecution and fear and discrimination.

There’s wisdom in our founders writing in those documents that help found this nation the notion of freedom of religion, because they understood the need for humility. They also understood the need to uphold freedom of speech, that there was a connection between freedom of speech and freedom of religion. For to infringe on one right under the pretext of protecting another is a betrayal of both.

https://www.whitehou...rayer-breakfast

I realize he likely didn't write much if any and he may or may not live it, but I also realize it was a very good speech per his usual.

He's great at speeches with the teleprompter. He doesn't go anywhere without the thing. As to the text of the speech, well it all sounded good but his actions always betray his words. He speaks of treating everyone equal but he's perfectly happy to infringe on the rights of Crhistians and conservatives all day long. He loves doing it or seeing it happen.

You don't know whether to scratch your watch or wind your butt. Obama has you twisted.