Green Energy Projects a Bust

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Finally the proof is out. According to DOE and the GAO, the administrations loans for projects like Solyndra are a bust. More taxpayer money down the tube.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/28/gao-does-green-energy-loans-wont-make-profit/

[autigeremt 6,569]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

[cooltigger21 0]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

you're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

[autigeremt 6,569]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

you're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

Our lifestyle is harming the planet. That is true. Deforestation, pollution, landfills full of harmful metals....air that you cannot breath without a mask.....very true.

Don't buy into the ALL SUM game. We have issues that need addressing.

[homersapien 11,353]

And this is a surprise?

If such investments were a guarantee of profit, the government wouldn't have to invest in it. Private money would be attracted. That's the point.

I wonder how much money the Chinese government has invested (and lost) in their renewable energy programs? As I recall, one of the main reasons these companies are struggling is because they cannot compete with the Chinese.

It would be far more efficient for the government to simply tax carbon emitting fuels in order to make renewable alternatives more competitive. But when that finally happens - and it will - the Chinese are going to be tough to compete with.

[homersapien 11,353]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

you're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

You are seriously ignorant on this subject if you really believe our lifestyle doesn't come with environmental costs that aren't being accounted for.

[TheBlueVue 177]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

In my view, it does mean tax payer money SHOULD NOT be use to fund long shot projects that are purely crony capitalism. If you dont think all this green energy movement wasn't the personification crony capitalism you simply haven't paid attention.

[homersapien 11,353]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

In my view, it does mean tax payer money SHOULD NOT be use to fund long shot projects that are purely crony capitalism. If you dont think all this green energy movement wasn't the personification crony capitalism you simply haven't paid attention.

That's one of the reasons why taxing carbon makes more sense.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

I agree Blue. If there is profit to be made the private sector will jump on promising green energy project. The gov't has demonstrated it can't do it.

[DKW 86 7,411]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things.

[Mims44 1,864]

Deforestation... still a problem?

Read an article about a year ago (can't remember where) about how deforestation was not the big problem it once was, with new tech making paper obsolete in so many ways. It also quoted some numbers I can't remember about failed paper companies in the past decade and Americas paper use plummeting.

One of you who lives for this kind of stuff happen to know the answer?

[WarTim 3,456]

I agree Blue. If there is profit to be made the private sector will jump on promising green energy project. The gov't has demonstrated it can't do it.

The solution, to the degree a problem exists, will be solved by the private sector. Government always fails in this and other areas it doesn't belong.......

[cooltigger21 0]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things.

nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up

[WarTim 3,456]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things.

nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up

Darn facts. Just ruined a non-argument:-)

[cptau 169]

And this is a surprise?

If such investments were a guarantee of profit, the government wouldn't have to invest in it. Private money would be attracted. That's the point.

I wonder how much money the Chinese government has invested (and lost) in their renewable energy programs? As I recall, one of the main reasons these companies are struggling is because they cannot compete with the Chinese.

It would be far more efficient for the government to simply tax carbon emitting fuels in order to make renewable alternatives more competitive. But when that finally happens - and it will - the Chinese are going to be tough to compete with.

The Chinese have lots of cheap labor and access to modern factories which makes it very difficult to compete with them. however if the chinese were really good at solar or wind technology they would not be building as many coal fired power plants and buying coal from the us.

[cptau 169]

Finally the proof is out. According to DOE and the GAO, the administrations loans for projects like Solyndra are a bust. More taxpayer money down the tube.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/28/gao-does-green-energy-loans-wont-make-profit/

the military and bell labs in the 1950s and 60s drove the development of efficient solar cell technology for use in their satellites used in remote sensing and telecommunications.

the main issues with solar is conversion efficiency and power distribution/ storage. the newer cells are approaching 50% efficiency, but hooking them into a power grid and storing power for use during night or cloudy days has to be solved. if you put the cells on the roofs of residential buildings, they and the storage batteries become a maintenance area for the home owners.

[DKW 86 7,411]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things.

nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up

Darn facts. Just ruined a non-argument:-)

I dont agree that the air is clean enough and that the water is clean as it should be as well.

We can still do better and still have great quality of life.

[TexasTiger 12,810]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

you're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

You are seriously ignorant on this subject if you really believe our lifestyle doesn't come with environmental costs that aren't being accounted for.

It's not just ignorance. It's pathological delusion.

[alexava 6,973]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

In my view, it does mean tax payer money SHOULD NOT be use to fund long shot projects that are purely crony capitalism. If you dont think all this green energy movement wasn't the personification crony capitalism you simply haven't paid attention.

kinda like war?

[AUDub 11,131]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

In my view, it does mean tax payer money SHOULD NOT be use to fund long shot projects that are purely crony capitalism. If you dont think all this green energy movement wasn't the personification crony capitalism you simply haven't paid attention.

kinda like war?

[autigeremt 6,569]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things.

nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up

Lifespan going up can be traced to increased safety innovation, pharmaceutical advances, and a higher level of medical care. The other question is quality of life and things like cancer rates, lung disorders and other health issues connected with pollutants. Capitalism is essential to sustainability and advances in materials recovery...etc. Think outside the conservative dome for once and do a little homework. You might be surprised.

[cooltigger21 0]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things.

nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up

Darn facts. Just ruined a non-argument:-)

I dont agree that the air is clean enough and that the water is clean as it should be as well.

We can still do better and still have great quality of life.

Sure we can improve but giving more power to the federal govt isn't the way to do it.

[cooltigger21 0]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things.

nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up

Lifespan going up can be traced to increased safety innovation, pharmaceutical advances, and a higher level of medical care. The other question is quality of life and things like cancer rates, lung disorders and other health issues connected with pollutants. Capitalism is essential to sustainability and advances in materials recovery...etc. Think outside the conservative dome for once and do a little homework. You might be surprised.

I'm not anti environment. I just know that things are nowhere near as bad as some would have us believe. Like I always say when the solutions stop being a socialist dream come true, then I'll believe. This idiotic carbon tax is a prime example. Labelling something that is essential to plant growth a pollutant is absurd. We don't need to stop raising cattle.

[WarTim 3,456]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things.

nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up

Lifespan going up can be traced to increased safety innovation, pharmaceutical advances, and a higher level of medical care. The other question is quality of life and things like cancer rates, lung disorders and other health issues connected with pollutants. Capitalism is essential to sustainability and advances in materials recovery...etc. Think outside the conservative dome for once and do a little homework. You might be surprised.

I'm not anti environment. I just know that things are nowhere near as bad as some would have us believe. Like I always say when the solutions stop being a socialist dream come true, then I'll believe. This idiotic carbon tax is a prime example. Labelling something that is essential to plant growth a pollutant is absurd. We don't need to stop raising cattle.

....or driving cars-heating our homes-cutting grass-etc...

[Mims44 1,864]

Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future.

You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie

Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things.

nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up

Lifespan going up can be traced to increased safety innovation, pharmaceutical advances, and a higher level of medical care. The other question is quality of life and things like cancer rates, lung disorders and other health issues connected with pollutants. Capitalism is essential to sustainability and advances in materials recovery...etc. Think outside the conservative dome for once and do a little homework. You might be surprised.

I'm not anti environment. I just know that things are nowhere near as bad as some would have us believe. Like I always say when the solutions stop being a socialist dream come true, then I'll believe. This idiotic carbon tax is a prime example. Labelling something that is essential to plant growth a pollutant is absurd. We don't need to stop raising cattle.

....or driving cars-heating our homes-cutting grass-etc...

And what's up with these catalytic converters? Amiright?