Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Finally the proof is out. According to DOE and the GAO, the administrations loans for projects like Solyndra are a bust. More taxpayer money down the tube. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/28/gao-does-green-energy-loans-wont-make-profit/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 5,833 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. you're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 5,833 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. you're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie Our lifestyle is harming the planet. That is true. Deforestation, pollution, landfills full of harmful metals....air that you cannot breath without a mask.....very true. Don't buy into the ALL SUM game. We have issues that need addressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 10,203 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 And this is a surprise? If such investments were a guarantee of profit, the government wouldn't have to invest in it. Private money would be attracted. That's the point. I wonder how much money the Chinese government has invested (and lost) in their renewable energy programs? As I recall, one of the main reasons these companies are struggling is because they cannot compete with the Chinese. It would be far more efficient for the government to simply tax carbon emitting fuels in order to make renewable alternatives more competitive. But when that finally happens - and it will - the Chinese are going to be tough to compete with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 10,203 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. you're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie You are seriously ignorant on this subject if you really believe our lifestyle doesn't come with environmental costs that aren't being accounted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. In my view, it does mean tax payer money SHOULD NOT be use to fund long shot projects that are purely crony capitalism. If you dont think all this green energy movement wasn't the personification crony capitalism you simply haven't paid attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 10,203 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. In my view, it does mean tax payer money SHOULD NOT be use to fund long shot projects that are purely crony capitalism. If you dont think all this green energy movement wasn't the personification crony capitalism you simply haven't paid attention. That's one of the reasons why taxing carbon makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 I agree Blue. If there is profit to be made the private sector will jump on promising green energy project. The gov't has demonstrated it can't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 6,548 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mims44 1,555 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Deforestation... still a problem? Read an article about a year ago (can't remember where) about how deforestation was not the big problem it once was, with new tech making paper obsolete in so many ways. It also quoted some numbers I can't remember about failed paper companies in the past decade and Americas paper use plummeting. One of you who lives for this kind of stuff happen to know the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,208 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I agree Blue. If there is profit to be made the private sector will jump on promising green energy project. The gov't has demonstrated it can't do it. The solution, to the degree a problem exists, will be solved by the private sector. Government always fails in this and other areas it doesn't belong....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things. nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,208 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things. nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up Darn facts. Just ruined a non-argument:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptau 140 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 And this is a surprise? If such investments were a guarantee of profit, the government wouldn't have to invest in it. Private money would be attracted. That's the point. I wonder how much money the Chinese government has invested (and lost) in their renewable energy programs? As I recall, one of the main reasons these companies are struggling is because they cannot compete with the Chinese. It would be far more efficient for the government to simply tax carbon emitting fuels in order to make renewable alternatives more competitive. But when that finally happens - and it will - the Chinese are going to be tough to compete with. The Chinese have lots of cheap labor and access to modern factories which makes it very difficult to compete with them. however if the chinese were really good at solar or wind technology they would not be building as many coal fired power plants and buying coal from the us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptau 140 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Finally the proof is out. According to DOE and the GAO, the administrations loans for projects like Solyndra are a bust. More taxpayer money down the tube. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/28/gao-does-green-energy-loans-wont-make-profit/ the military and bell labs in the 1950s and 60s drove the development of efficient solar cell technology for use in their satellites used in remote sensing and telecommunications. the main issues with solar is conversion efficiency and power distribution/ storage. the newer cells are approaching 50% efficiency, but hooking them into a power grid and storing power for use during night or cloudy days has to be solved. if you put the cells on the roofs of residential buildings, they and the storage batteries become a maintenance area for the home owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 6,548 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things. nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up Darn facts. Just ruined a non-argument:-) I dont agree that the air is clean enough and that the water is clean as it should be as well.We can still do better and still have great quality of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 9,668 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. you're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie You are seriously ignorant on this subject if you really believe our lifestyle doesn't come with environmental costs that aren't being accounted for. It's not just ignorance. It's pathological delusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,882 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. In my view, it does mean tax payer money SHOULD NOT be use to fund long shot projects that are purely crony capitalism. If you dont think all this green energy movement wasn't the personification crony capitalism you simply haven't paid attention. kinda like war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 10,148 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. In my view, it does mean tax payer money SHOULD NOT be use to fund long shot projects that are purely crony capitalism. If you dont think all this green energy movement wasn't the personification crony capitalism you simply haven't paid attention. kinda like war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 5,833 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things. nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up Lifespan going up can be traced to increased safety innovation, pharmaceutical advances, and a higher level of medical care. The other question is quality of life and things like cancer rates, lung disorders and other health issues connected with pollutants. Capitalism is essential to sustainability and advances in materials recovery...etc. Think outside the conservative dome for once and do a little homework. You might be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things. nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up Darn facts. Just ruined a non-argument:-) I dont agree that the air is clean enough and that the water is clean as it should be as well.We can still do better and still have great quality of life. Sure we can improve but giving more power to the federal govt isn't the way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things. nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up Lifespan going up can be traced to increased safety innovation, pharmaceutical advances, and a higher level of medical care. The other question is quality of life and things like cancer rates, lung disorders and other health issues connected with pollutants. Capitalism is essential to sustainability and advances in materials recovery...etc. Think outside the conservative dome for once and do a little homework. You might be surprised. I'm not anti environment. I just know that things are nowhere near as bad as some would have us believe. Like I always say when the solutions stop being a socialist dream come true, then I'll believe. This idiotic carbon tax is a prime example. Labelling something that is essential to plant growth a pollutant is absurd. We don't need to stop raising cattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,208 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things. nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up Lifespan going up can be traced to increased safety innovation, pharmaceutical advances, and a higher level of medical care. The other question is quality of life and things like cancer rates, lung disorders and other health issues connected with pollutants. Capitalism is essential to sustainability and advances in materials recovery...etc. Think outside the conservative dome for once and do a little homework. You might be surprised. I'm not anti environment. I just know that things are nowhere near as bad as some would have us believe. Like I always say when the solutions stop being a socialist dream come true, then I'll believe. This idiotic carbon tax is a prime example. Labelling something that is essential to plant growth a pollutant is absurd. We don't need to stop raising cattle. ....or driving cars-heating our homes-cutting grass-etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mims44 1,555 Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Doesn't mean we should stop working for a more sustainable future. You're buying the premise that we are harming the planet with our lifestyle. It is all as lie Teddy Roosevelt, and i disagree. Clean air and Clean water are always great things. nobody said they weren't. We're all for clean air and water. You know something. The air and water are both in pretty good shape in this country. It's not perfect but perfection is not possible. Capitalism is great at finding solutions to make it even better. Our lifespan keeps going up Lifespan going up can be traced to increased safety innovation, pharmaceutical advances, and a higher level of medical care. The other question is quality of life and things like cancer rates, lung disorders and other health issues connected with pollutants. Capitalism is essential to sustainability and advances in materials recovery...etc. Think outside the conservative dome for once and do a little homework. You might be surprised. I'm not anti environment. I just know that things are nowhere near as bad as some would have us believe. Like I always say when the solutions stop being a socialist dream come true, then I'll believe. This idiotic carbon tax is a prime example. Labelling something that is essential to plant growth a pollutant is absurd. We don't need to stop raising cattle. ....or driving cars-heating our homes-cutting grass-etc... And what's up with these catalytic converters? Amiright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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