Take Your Guns To A Movie?

[aujeff11 6,243]

Say four armed citizens had been scattered about the Colorado theater. A lot of lives could have been saved. Same thing elsewhere. Any "gun free zone" is nothing but a notice to the madman that says "do it here". Just as convenience stores with a "No guns inside" sign are saying "Rob me with confidence and security".

The 2nd amendment is the law of the land, it should be followed.

Or more could have been killed as they gunned down innocents that got in their line of fire trying to get out. Or if when one heard shots from another location of the theater they believed there was a second shooter and opened fire in that direction. Or the person that just panics trying to get their family out and kills innocents in their way or just shoots blindly trying to cover them as they get out.

I highly doubt that every gun owner is going to be calm, cool, collected, and an ace shot when tossed into a real gunfight.

exactly right.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

The arriving cops won't know who the actual perp is until he shoots himself.

Which will save the state for the cost of having a trial.

I meant that as a joke.

I think he did also. I hope so. You never can tell with Raptor.

[Weegle777 78]

Say four armed citizens had been scattered about the Colorado theater. A lot of lives could have been saved. Same thing elsewhere. Any "gun free zone" is nothing but a notice to the madman that says "do it here". Just as convenience stores with a "No guns inside" sign are saying "Rob me with confidence and security".

The 2nd amendment is the law of the land, it should be followed.

Yeah, start a firefight in the movie theatre!

So you just stand there and make yourself a perfect target for some deranged fool that knows there is no chances of anyone being able to stop him. That's why they choose these places to begin with.

No, but arming every single citizen isn't going to make the situation any better.

So what are you going to do, just run zigzag patterns in the theater hoping you don't take a round to the skull and wait ten minutes for the cops to arrive? Yeah, that sounds like a heck of a plan! Idiot will have killed 20 by the time cops get there.

[Weegle777 78]

Movie theaters are prime locations for these morons to kill people. You are a sitting duck with exits near the screen. You won't catch me in one again.

The calm, logical, thoughtful, measured response of a "real man" (for those of you with your pink shirts on).

:roflol:/>

There is a difference between being smart and being stupid. Maybe you both may learn that when you grow up.

[Weegle777 78]

Movie theaters are prime locations for these morons to kill people. You are a sitting duck with exits near the screen. You won't catch me in one again.

Movie theaters are prime locations for these morons to kill people. You are a sitting duck with exits near the screen. You won't catch me in one again.

Yet you'll probably get in your car tomorrow without thinking about it. :-\/>

Well crap, there are thousands of lazy people relying on my tax dollars so they can pay for their Cadillac, cell phone, and Air Jordans.

[aujeff11 6,243]

Say four armed citizens had been scattered about the Colorado theater. A lot of lives could have been saved. Same thing elsewhere. Any "gun free zone" is nothing but a notice to the madman that says "do it here". Just as convenience stores with a "No guns inside" sign are saying "Rob me with confidence and security".

The 2nd amendment is the law of the land, it should be followed.

Yeah, start a firefight in the movie theatre!

So you just stand there and make yourself a perfect target for some deranged fool that knows there is no chances of anyone being able to stop him. That's why they choose these places to begin with.

No, but arming every single citizen isn't going to make the situation any better.

So what are you going to do, just run zigzag patterns in the theater hoping you don't take a round to the skull and wait ten minutes for the cops to arrive? Yeah, that sounds like a heck of a plan! Idiot will have killed 20 by the time cops get there.

Idiot would have reloaded before he got to 20 assuming he had a pistol. That is when it is time to pounce. Again, we need to be concentrating on getting the weapons out of these people's hands, not giving them to everybody. If the weapons continue to slip through the cracks, then there should probably be security guards and metal detectors.

[aujeff11 6,243]

Movie theaters are prime locations for these morons to kill people. You are a sitting duck with exits near the screen. You won't catch me in one again.

The calm, logical, thoughtful, measured response of a "real man" (for those of you with your pink shirts on).

:roflol:/>

There is a difference between being smart and being stupid. Maybe you both may learn that when you grow up.

Do you always act like you have a stick up your rear?

[TitanTiger 20,472]

If they aren't going to allow people to do so, they need to pay to have trained and armed guards on premises to deal with the wackos shooting fish in a barrel. All a 'gun free zone' sign does is notify would be killers that they have 3-5 minutes of unimpeded target practice before police arrive.

[Weegle777 78]

If they aren't going to allow people to do so, they need to pay to have trained and armed guards on premises to deal with the wackos shooting fish in a barrel. All a 'gun free zone' sign does is notify would be killers that they have 3-5 minutes of unimpeded target practice before police arrive.

Stop making me agree with you.

[Weegle777 78]

Say four armed citizens had been scattered about the Colorado theater. A lot of lives could have been saved. Same thing elsewhere. Any "gun free zone" is nothing but a notice to the madman that says "do it here". Just as convenience stores with a "No guns inside" sign are saying "Rob me with confidence and security".

The 2nd amendment is the law of the land, it should be followed.

Yeah, start a firefight in the movie theatre!

So you just stand there and make yourself a perfect target for some deranged fool that knows there is no chances of anyone being able to stop him. That's why they choose these places to begin with.

No, but arming every single citizen isn't going to make the situation any better.

So what are you going to do, just run zigzag patterns in the theater hoping you don't take a round to the skull and wait ten minutes for the cops to arrive? Yeah, that sounds like a heck of a plan! Idiot will have killed 20 by the time cops get there.

Idiot would have reloaded before he got to 20 assuming he had a pistol. That is when it is time to pounce. Again, we need to be concentrating on getting the weapons out of these people's hands, not giving them to everybody. If the weapons continue to slip through the cracks, then there should probably be security guards and metal detectors.

How do you keep them out of the black market? There is a multimillion dollar industry in gun running. I agree with metal detectors though.

[Weegle777 78]

Movie theaters are prime locations for these morons to kill people. You are a sitting duck with exits near the screen. You won't catch me in one again.

The calm, logical, thoughtful, measured response of a "real man" (for those of you with your pink shirts on).

:roflol:/>

There is a difference between being smart and being stupid. Maybe you both may learn that when you grow up.

Do you always act like you have a stick up your rear?

Well no. Maybe sometimes.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

If they aren't going to allow people to do so, they need to pay to have trained and armed guards on premises to deal with the wackos shooting fish in a barrel. All a 'gun free zone' sign does is notify would be killers that they have 3-5 minutes of unimpeded target practice before police arrive.

Stop making me agree with you.

It happens sometimes!

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

If they aren't going to allow people to do so, they need to pay to have trained and armed guards on premises to deal with the wackos shooting fish in a barrel. All a 'gun free zone' sign does is notify would be killers that they have 3-5 minutes of unimpeded target practice before police arrive.

I would disagree with this statement. This is working under the assumption that people will not bring their own guns.

Movie theater does not check bodies or purses (least none I have been into). I know guys, and a couple of girls, that have concealed carry into a movie theater. One of those funny things about many gun owners. They want their rights, they want you to respect their rights, they want to do what they want on their own property and business, but will say f-that to any business not wanting a gun on their property. It is all about them.

Many larger cities do have armed security on site on weekends and big openings.

[Strychnine 1,802]

Or more could have been killed as they gunned down innocents that got in their line of fire trying to get out. Or if when one heard shots from another location of the theater they believed there was a second shooter and opened fire in that direction. Or the person that just panics trying to get their family out and kills innocents in their way or just shoots blindly trying to cover them as they get out.

I highly doubt that every gun owner is going to be calm, cool, collected, and an ace shot when tossed into a real gunfight.

I hit the firing range like many others hit the golf course. Since the primary firing range I visit is open to the public, I see a very wide assortment of the average gun owner playing with their toys. Almost all of them struggle greatly with a Mozambique Drill at anything beyond basically point-blank range. They can generally shoot decently when they can take their time for each shot. When they cannot, their accuracy and weapon control suffers greatly. In a live situation, with a crowd of people running across their field of vision in multiple directions, lots of noise, lots of pressure, lots of adrenaline, with a shooter somewhere in the middle of it, I think most of the people I see at the range would be almost as much of a hazard as the shooter that came intending to do them harm.

[alexava 6,973]

Or more could have been killed as they gunned down innocents that got in their line of fire trying to get out. Or if when one heard shots from another location of the theater they believed there was a second shooter and opened fire in that direction. Or the person that just panics trying to get their family out and kills innocents in their way or just shoots blindly trying to cover them as they get out.

I highly doubt that every gun owner is going to be calm, cool, collected, and an ace shot when tossed into a real gunfight.

I hit the firing range like many others hit the golf course. Since the primary firing range I visit is open to the public, I see a very wide assortment of the average gun owner playing with their toys. Almost all of them struggle greatly with a Mozambique Drill at anything beyond basically point-blank range. They can generally shoot decently when they can take their time for each shot. When they cannot, their accuracy and weapon control suffers greatly. In a live situation, with a crowd of people running across their field of vision in multiple directions, lots of noise, lots of pressure, lots of adrenaline, with a shooter somewhere in the middle of it, I think most of the people I see at the range would be almost as much of a hazard as the shooter that came intending to do them harm.

this is exactly correct. i am a decent shot but in a dark theater with people everywhere it would be hard to take the shot unless you were very close and more than likely behind the shooter. few people would be effective. i am not totally confident i would. i do however think i would only take the shot if i had a good chance to make it. i would be more focused on getting my family on the floor and out than a gunfight, depending on position.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

I would disagree with this statement. This is working under the assumption that people will not bring their own guns.

Movie theater does not check bodies or purses (least none I have been into). I know guys, and a couple of girls, that have concealed carry into a movie theater. One of those funny things about many gun owners. They want their rights, they want you to respect their rights, they want to do what they want on their own property and business, but will say f-that to any business not wanting a gun on their property. It is all about them.

Many larger cities do have armed security on site on weekends and big openings.

I'd say the assumption is a pretty good one to make. Otherwise, we'd be hearing more about gun owners who had them concealed taking out the shooter or at least getting off a few rounds at him. Every one of these situations have been a bunch of folks who were sitting ducks. Why? Because most people follow the rules and don't bring their gun in. They don't want to be kicked out if discovered or banned from the establishment forever. College campuses that do this are even more likely to have students who adhere to the 'no guns' rule because they can get kicked out of school or at least out of on-campus dorms.

If the business doesn't want Joe Gunowner toting his 9mm into their place, fine. But given the closed quarters these theaters create by necessity, they need to have armed guards to ward these idiots off.

[Strychnine 1,802]

Or more could have been killed as they gunned down innocents that got in their line of fire trying to get out. Or if when one heard shots from another location of the theater they believed there was a second shooter and opened fire in that direction. Or the person that just panics trying to get their family out and kills innocents in their way or just shoots blindly trying to cover them as they get out.

I highly doubt that every gun owner is going to be calm, cool, collected, and an ace shot when tossed into a real gunfight.

I hit the firing range like many others hit the golf course. Since the primary firing range I visit is open to the public, I see a very wide assortment of the average gun owner playing with their toys. Almost all of them struggle greatly with a Mozambique Drill at anything beyond basically point-blank range. They can generally shoot decently when they can take their time for each shot. When they cannot, their accuracy and weapon control suffers greatly. In a live situation, with a crowd of people running across their field of vision in multiple directions, lots of noise, lots of pressure, lots of adrenaline, with a shooter somewhere in the middle of it, I think most of the people I see at the range would be almost as much of a hazard as the shooter that came intending to do them harm.

this is exactly correct. i am a decent shot but in a dark theater with people everywhere it would be hard to take the shot unless you were very close and more than likely behind the shooter. few people would be effective. i am not totally confident i would. i do however think i would only take the shot if i had a good chance to make it. i would be more focused on getting my family on the floor and out than a gunfight, depending on position.

How do you perform in speed drills, or do you practice them at all? If you carry a concealed weapon, they are the most relevant thing you can practice, and I encourage you to do so. The rest of your statement is correct. The best thing you can do as a civilian in those circumstances is find some cover for yourself and anyone in your party; then engage the shooter as opportunity permits. Your goal is, and should be, to neutralize the threat without making the situation worse.

[Guest NC1406]

Or more could have been killed as they gunned down innocents that got in their line of fire trying to get out. Or if when one heard shots from another location of the theater they believed there was a second shooter and opened fire in that direction. Or the person that just panics trying to get their family out and kills innocents in their way or just shoots blindly trying to cover them as they get out.

I highly doubt that every gun owner is going to be calm, cool, collected, and an ace shot when tossed into a real gunfight.

I hit the firing range like many others hit the golf course. Since the primary firing range I visit is open to the public, I see a very wide assortment of the average gun owner playing with their toys. Almost all of them struggle greatly with a Mozambique Drill at anything beyond basically point-blank range. They can generally shoot decently when they can take their time for each shot. When they cannot, their accuracy and weapon control suffers greatly. In a live situation, with a crowd of people running across their field of vision in multiple directions, lots of noise, lots of pressure, lots of adrenaline, with a shooter somewhere in the middle of it, I think most of the people I see at the range would be almost as much of a hazard as the shooter that came intending to do them harm.

this is exactly correct. i am a decent shot but in a dark theater with people everywhere it would be hard to take the shot unless you were very close and more than likely behind the shooter. few people would be effective. i am not totally confident i would. i do however think i would only take the shot if i had a good chance to make it. i would be more focused on getting my family on the floor and out than a gunfight, depending on position.

I do not go to movie theaters but if I ever do I hope my seat is near you. Most of us do not realize what it takes to place a round (or a few) properly when under pressure. Training helps but when things light up the situation definitely changes. While I carry at my office and when traveling in my vehicle, I realize that my best protection comes when I am at home and have the dogs to give the alert of trouble. Most people are not prepared for real issues. When I shoot with people that have experienced the high stress times I recognize my shortcoming.

[Strychnine 1,802]

For the record, my thoughts on concealed carry are thus:

I think a competence and proficiency testing procedure should exist to ensure that those with a license to carry a concealed firearm are not likely to be more hazardous to a given situation than the threat they may be responding to. Training and demonstrated ability should be necessary in order to pass it, and those that do so should be allowed to carry a firearm anywhere they may go (aside from bars). I am not talking about firearm safety courses, I am talking about demonstrated ability to employ and control a firearm for defense of self or others.

[aujeff11 6,243]

For the record, my thoughts on concealed carry are thus:

I think a competence and proficiency testing procedure should exist to ensure that those with a license to carry a concealed firearm are not likely to be more hazardous to a given situation than the threat they may be responding to. Training and demonstrated ability should be necessary in order to pass it, and those that do so should be allowed to carry a firearm anywhere they may go (aside from bars). I am not talking about firearm safety courses, I am talking about demonstrated ability to employ and control a firearm for defense of self or others.

That just makes too much sense to work.

[AUDub 11,147]

I would disagree with this statement. This is working under the assumption that people will not bring their own guns.

Movie theater does not check bodies or purses (least none I have been into). I know guys, and a couple of girls, that have concealed carry into a movie theater. One of those funny things about many gun owners. They want their rights, they want you to respect their rights, they want to do what they want on their own property and business, but will say f-that to any business not wanting a gun on their property. It is all about them.

Many larger cities do have armed security on site on weekends and big openings.

I'd say the assumption is a pretty good one to make. Otherwise, we'd be hearing more about gun owners who had them concealed taking out the shooter or at least getting off a few rounds at him. Every one of these situations have been a bunch of folks who were sitting ducks. Why? Because most people follow the rules and don't bring their gun in. They don't want to be kicked out if discovered or banned from the establishment forever. College campuses that do this are even more likely to have students who adhere to the 'no guns' rule because they can get kicked out of school or at least out of on-campus dorms.

If the business doesn't want Joe Gunowner toting his 9mm into their place, fine. But given the closed quarters these theaters create by necessity, they need to have armed guards to ward these idiots off.

SOP was two cops on the parking lot every evening after 7:00pm according to a local. That's probably the reason the police response was inside of a minute.

Sounds right. Trussville does the same thing.

[Mikey 16,576]

Say four armed citizens had been scattered about the Colorado theater. A lot of lives could have been saved. Same thing elsewhere. Any "gun free zone" is nothing but a notice to the madman that says "do it here". Just as convenience stores with a "No guns inside" sign are saying "Rob me with confidence and security".

The 2nd amendment is the law of the land, it should be followed.

Yeah, start a firefight in the movie theatre!

No. The firing was already started by the madman. The responsible armed citizen causes the shooting to cease before the madman continues to kill others.

[ShocksMyBrain 9,362]

Moral of the story: go to matinee showings. It's cheaper and it's a lower potential body count for the lunatics.

[AUDub 11,147]

Say four armed citizens had been scattered about the Colorado theater. A lot of lives could have been saved. Same thing elsewhere. Any "gun free zone" is nothing but a notice to the madman that says "do it here". Just as convenience stores with a "No guns inside" sign are saying "Rob me with confidence and security".

The 2nd amendment is the law of the land, it should be followed.

Yeah, start a firefight in the movie theatre!

No. The firing was already started by the madman. The responsible armed citizen causes the shooting to cease before the madman continues to kill others.

Hell of an assumption. Just as likely to make the situation worse.

[Strychnine 1,802]

For the record, my thoughts on concealed carry are thus:

I think a competence and proficiency testing procedure should exist to ensure that those with a license to carry a concealed firearm are not likely to be more hazardous to a given situation than the threat they may be responding to. Training and demonstrated ability should be necessary in order to pass it, and those that do so should be allowed to carry a firearm anywhere they may go (aside from bars). I am not talking about firearm safety courses, I am talking about demonstrated ability to employ and control a firearm for defense of self or others.

That just makes too much sense to work.

Indeed, what do I know? I'm just a guy that likely has more invested in firearms and ammunition than many have invested in their cars. I'm probably the only person on this board that legally owns automatic weapons. I'm the biggest firearm enthusiast here, and even I understand that arming more people or even everyone with reckless abandon is not a good idea. At the very least, the same standards of military qualification should apply.