Newbomb 193 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 David Johnson was Gus's QB his second year at Tulsa... 258 of 400 for 4059 yards and 46 touchdowns... QB rating of 178.7. Second most efficient QB in the nation in 2008. Conference USA offensive MVP. You seem to have forgotten to note the 5 INTs he threw in the title game that season, or was that some other QB no FBS team wanted, who played backup at Tulsa until his senior year and went on to not play ever in the NFL because he was considered "too erratic"? First, how many college QBs each year actually play in the NFL? Only 7% of all eligible players actually make a roster and QBs are a tiny portion of the eligible players. Second if he's "too erratic" then the fact that Gus could coach those numbers out of him and make him the second most efficient QB in the nation in 2008 makes my point about Gus knowing how to coach QBs even better, so thanks for that. I guess that makes Pat Sullivan a horrible QB too because he didnt do well in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altima 200 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I think Craig was brought on for his recruiting ability. It's unfortunate Gus has to keep Lashlee around because we have someone with big-time college QB coaching experience on the staff but he's coaching WRs. And he was a QB at a high level and took NFL snaps -- so his experience is something JJ can lean on (to be fair, it's not Lashlee's resume that holds him back, I think he's just not ready to be at this level yet). Also I would reallllly like if Gus took over 100% of the play calling. That gif from the UL game where Lashlee is saying "I didn't call that" is extremely disappointing as an AU and Gus fan. Play calls can look good or bad based on execution but Gus' track record is enough for me to be completely fine with Lashlee never calling another play at AU. A year after Lashlee coaches the 2nd most efficient offense in CFB, and 2 years after coaching the first SEC offense to ever lead the nation in rushing you want to push him out? Again... Our past offensive success has NOTHING to do with Rhett Lashlee! Period! Gus is the mad scientist with the O! Lashlee is nothing more than a homeboy riding Gus' coattails! He can't recruit! He doesn't call plays! He is minimally involved in game prep! He has no repor with his players! So what exactly is his role, you ask??? I believe Gus has referred to him as "another set of eyes out there"... Meanwhile, Dameyune Craig is an accomplished QB coach! That's who should be developing our QB talent! So to be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing Laslee 'pushed out'... How does past success have nothing to do with it? Gus and Rhett have worked together to coach one of the best offenses in FBS the past 2 years. As far as developing QBs had you read my earlier post you would know how little college coaching affects QB success overall. Besides y'all want to blame Lashlee for JJ's 5 ints, yet Marshall threw 20 Ints in one year in JUCO. Then after being coached by Lashlee that number dropped drastically. Your evidence is very limited in order to make a blanket judgement like this. Now if you can provide more evidence than "JJ had a couple of bad games," then maybe more people will listen. I haven't blamed anything on Lashlee... and I never said Jeremy's woas where Lashlee's fault. All I'm saying is that Lashlee is out of his league. Call it what you want (some have used dead-weight), but the role of an SEC OC should be more than"another set of eyes". Dameyune is twice the QB coach that Lashlee is. With a resume to prove it... 3 1st round QB's! Ponder, Manuel, and Winston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altima 200 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? I never said he was incompetent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimesAU 89 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? Sounds like you're taking this very personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,121 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 3,2...1 ? If JJ continues the trend & only throws 1pick, I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburn4ever 1,266 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I don't think they even know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnphan 6,050 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? how do u know he was asking for pointers and not asking about wr's and a route or blocking assignment? Were u standing right next to DC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potatooooooes!! 1,366 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Gus has a fine track record with QBs, that being said if he says that JJ will be fine its probably true. He has more invested in this team than anyone here. That being said if some people were in charge we'd go through 8 head coaches and 27 QBs in 10 years. I would agree with you that he has a fine track record with QB's, but I think what others are asking is how he develops QB's that he has worked with over the course of several years. Nick Marshall was the 1st two year starter he's ever had. I think what other posters are wondering about is Gus' recruitment and development of QB's and unfortunately we don't have a large sample size to look at. Don't get me wrong, I have faith in Gus as much as anyone and that's why Jeremy's performance thus far has been such a shock to me. I can understand that some people are disappointed in the QB play so far. I'm sure everyone was curious to see how the first 2 year Malzahn QB was going to play. After 2 games there is a lot of room for improvement. However, as far as development goes, let's look at recent history to find QBs who were "elitely developed" in college. Here is a subjective list of elite QBs in the NFL. Brady, P. Manning, Brees, Rogers, Luck, Wilson, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, E. Manning. I'll leave off Newton because I really don't want to get into whether he was "Gus's QB" or not. So there is a list of 10 give or take a few. What do they have in common? Very intelligent Strong measurables (6'5, large hands) Experience Here's what they don't have in common. Their college coaches Oregon was notoriously weak at producing NFL QBs. Then along came Mariota and he seems to have overcome this quite fantastically. On the other hand, the closest Urban Meyer has come to developing an NFL ready QB was Tim Tebow. TIM. TEBOW. Yet you don't hear Ohio State fans complaining. Also, DC is a good coach but so far his QBs (Ponder, Manuel, Winston) have not panned out in the NFL either. In summary, College QB development doesn't really seem to factor much if at all into pro careers. either a QB has IT or he doesn't. So far JJ doesn't have IT, but that can still change. If you want a QB developer, beg Jacobs to bring back Loeffler. He did invent Tom Brady after all. Ohio State fans aren't complaining because they have two (formerly three) of the best quarterbacks in the country, so I'm not sure what you're getting at with that or any of your post really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metafour 4,958 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Here is a subjective list of elite QBs in the NFL. Brady, P. Manning, Brees, Rogers, Luck, Wilson, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, E. Manning. So there is a list of 10 give or take a few. What do they have in common? Strong measurables (6'5, large hands) Wilson and Brees are 5'10 1/2" and 6'0" respectively. Not a huge deal; but they are both certainly on the opposite end of the "measurables" scale and most certainly don't have that aspect "in common" with the rest of the guys on your list. On the other hand, the closest Urban Meyer has come todeveloping an NFL ready QB was Tim Tebow. TIM. TEBOW. Yet you don't hear Ohio State fans complaining. Urban Meyer developed Alex Smith who was the #1 overall pick out of Utah. The following year, he took the Florida job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipadeedoodah 24 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Here is a subjective list of elite QBs in the NFL. Brady, P. Manning, Brees, Rogers, Luck, Wilson, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, E. Manning. So there is a list of 10 give or take a few. What do they have in common? Strong measurables (6'5, large hands) Wilson and Brees are 5'10 1/2" and 6'0" respectively. Not a huge deal; but they are both certainly on the opposite end of the "measurables" scale and most certainly don't have that aspect "in common" with the rest of the guys on your list. On the other hand, the closest Urban Meyer has come todeveloping an NFL ready QB was Tim Tebow. TIM. TEBOW. Yet you don't hear Ohio State fans complaining. Urban Meyer developed Alex Smith who was the #1 overall pick out of Utah. The following year, he took the Florida job. Do you consider Alex Smith an elite QB? Also Drew Brees and Russell Wilson both have large hands. I said they all had strong measurables then I gave examples. I didn't say they were all 6'5 but most of them are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipadeedoodah 24 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? Sounds like you're taking this very personally. I do take it personally because I like to watch this team play. Win or lose. We aren't paying our coach Nick Saban money or Jim Harbaugh money. Say what you want about proven commodities. You get what you pay for. Malzahn is paid an average SEC salary. He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. So why you guys expect this team to not have off years like this is beyond me. If Malzahn made 10 mil a year I would expect an SEC title every year. Otherwise y'all need to accept this isn't our year and enjoy the games we do win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? Sounds like you're taking this very personally. I do take it personally because I like to watch this team play. Win or lose. We aren't paying our coach Nick Saban money or Jim Harbaugh money. Say what you want about proven commodities. You get what you pay for. Malzahn is paid an average SEC salary. He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. So why you guys expect this team to not have off years like this is beyond me. If Malzahn made 10 mil a year I would expect an SEC title every year. Otherwise y'all need to accept this isn't our year and enjoy the games we do win. Kristi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipadeedoodah 24 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? Sounds like you're taking this very personally. I do take it personally because I like to watch this team play. Win or lose. We aren't paying our coach Nick Saban money or Jim Harbaugh money. Say what you want about proven commodities. You get what you pay for. Malzahn is paid an average SEC salary. He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. So why you guys expect this team to not have off years like this is beyond me. If Malzahn made 10 mil a year I would expect an SEC title every year. Otherwise y'all need to accept this isn't our year and enjoy the games we do win. Kristi? No rebuttals? Don't make it so easy on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimesAU 89 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? Sounds like you're taking this very personally. I do take it personally because I like to watch this team play. Win or lose. We aren't paying our coach Nick Saban money or Jim Harbaugh money. Say what you want about proven commodities. You get what you pay for. Malzahn is paid an average SEC salary. He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. So why you guys expect this team to not have off years like this is beyond me. If Malzahn made 10 mil a year I would expect an SEC title every year. Otherwise y'all need to accept this isn't our year and enjoy the games we do win. So because Gus only makes almost 4 million/year we should all be resigned to mediocrity? Jesus, dude... Don't let the facts that we have some of the highest paid assistant coaches in the country and one of the highest football operating budgets in the country go over your head. I don't care if we've got some bubba making $75,000/year coaching our team. I expect him to have our team prepared to play week in and week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metafour 4,958 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Do you consider Alex Smith an elite QB? No, but your post never said anything about developing "elite QB's". You straight up said that Tebow was the closest thing to "an NFL ready QB" that Meyer has developed; which is obviously completely false. Alex Smith is an above-average NFL starter (in fact I'd argue that he is better than Matt Ryan who you posted on your "list") who went #1 overall. Meyer has therefore developed a good NFL QB, and he did it at Utah with a kid that wasn't highly recruited (or highly ranked) at all. With Cardale Jones he's got another that has realistic 1st round upside. He's doing pretty damn well in the QB department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? Sounds like you're taking this very personally. I do take it personally because I like to watch this team play. Win or lose. We aren't paying our coach Nick Saban money or Jim Harbaugh money. Say what you want about proven commodities. You get what you pay for. Malzahn is paid an average SEC salary. He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. So why you guys expect this team to not have off years like this is beyond me. If Malzahn made 10 mil a year I would expect an SEC title every year. Otherwise y'all need to accept this isn't our year and enjoy the games we do win. Kristi? No rebuttals? Don't make it so easy on me. There is about three people picking your arguments apart already. You are supposed to be thanking me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUIH1 1,515 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? Sounds like you're taking this very personally. I do take it personally because I like to watch this team play. Win or lose. We aren't paying our coach Nick Saban money or Jim Harbaugh money. Say what you want about proven commodities. You get what you pay for. Malzahn is paid an average SEC salary. He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. So why you guys expect this team to not have off years like this is beyond me. If Malzahn made 10 mil a year I would expect an SEC title every year. Otherwise y'all need to accept this isn't our year and enjoy the games we do win. LOL. Gus' salary is fair based on his first two seasons as HC (1 very good year that exceeded expectations followed by a year that failed to meet expectations. Should we not win at least 9 regular season games this season with a win over spuat or uga included in those 9 wins then Gus needs to give part of his salary back to AU. wde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metafour 4,958 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. Sumlin's salary is inflated because Texas A&M recently dug up a mountain of cash and went out trying to show-off their wealth. Malzahn's salary is more than fair. We hired him after ONE season as a head coach at Arkansas State; to date he's had one big season and one flop season. Comparing his salary to Saban's or Harbaugh's is a joke. He doesn't have even a tenth of the resume of overall success as those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. Sumlin's salary is inflated because Texas A&M recently dug up a mountain of cash and went out trying to show-off their wealth. Malzahn's salary is more than fair. We hired him after ONE season as a head coach at Arkansas State; to date he's had one big season and one flop season. Comparing his salary to Saban's or Harbaugh's is a joke. He doesn't have even a tenth of the resume of overall success as those two. Sumlin's salary is inflated because they thought Texas or the Texas were going to go after him.....and they wanted to show off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipadeedoodah 24 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? Sounds like you're taking this very personally. I do take it personally because I like to watch this team play. Win or lose. We aren't paying our coach Nick Saban money or Jim Harbaugh money. Say what you want about proven commodities. You get what you pay for. Malzahn is paid an average SEC salary. He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. So why you guys expect this team to not have off years like this is beyond me. If Malzahn made 10 mil a year I would expect an SEC title every year. Otherwise y'all need to accept this isn't our year and enjoy the games we do win. So because Gus only makes almost 4 million/year we should all be resigned to mediocrity? Jesus, dude... Don't let the facts that we have some of the highest paid assistant coaches in the country and one of the highest football operating budgets in the country go over your head. I don't care if we've got some bubba making $75,000/year coaching our team. I expect him to have our team prepared to play week in and week out. The real question is why do you watch football? We've had what 3 good years in the past 2 decades? That means 17 combined years of indigestion and whining on message boards about how we need a new HC, a new OC, a new DC, a new QB. Sounds like a miserable existence to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. Sumlin's salary is inflated because Texas A&M recently dug up a mountain of cash and went out trying to show-off their wealth. Malzahn's salary is more than fair. We hired him after ONE season as a head coach at Arkansas State; to date he's had one big season and one flop season. Comparing his salary to Saban's or Harbaugh's is a joke. He doesn't have even a tenth of the resume of overall success as those two. We are in a era where the last guy hired usually ends up with the biggest salary...especially at the Power 5 schools. JMO....but the next time we have to hire a coach, Gus's salary will just be the starting point for the negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipadeedoodah 24 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Do you consider Alex Smith an elite QB? No, but your post never said anything about developing "elite QB's". You straight up said that Tebow was the closest thing to "an NFL ready QB" that Meyer has developed; which is obviously completely false. Alex Smith is an above-average NFL starter (in fact I'd argue that he is better than Matt Ryan who you posted on your "list") who went #1 overall. Meyer has therefore developed a good NFL QB, and he did it at Utah with a kid that wasn't highly recruited (or highly ranked) at all. With Cardale Jones he's got another that has realistic 1st round upside. He's doing pretty damn well in the QB department. If the Tebow thing was all you drew from that post then you missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc4aday 1,887 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? Sounds like you're taking this very personally. I do take it personally because I like to watch this team play. Win or lose. We aren't paying our coach Nick Saban money or Jim Harbaugh money. Say what you want about proven commodities. You get what you pay for. Malzahn is paid an average SEC salary. He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. So why you guys expect this team to not have off years like this is beyond me. If Malzahn made 10 mil a year I would expect an SEC title every year. Otherwise y'all need to accept this isn't our year and enjoy the games we do win. LOL. Gus' salary is fair based on his first two seasons as HC (1 very good year that exceeded expectations followed by a year that failed to meet expectations. Should we not win at least 9 regular season games this season with a win over spuat or uga included in those 9 wins then Gus needs to give part of his salary back to AU. wde OK, lets get back on track and address the coaching issue and not how much they make; but how well they coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning4AU 405 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I remember when Marshall was qb, there was a lot of speculation that he not only had a primary target, but rather a predetermined target before throwing the ball. I am wondering from people in the know. Do Gus and Rhett teach their QBs to only throw to only one receiver to make it simpler for them or do they teach progressions? I would assume they teach progressions, but I haven't seen evidence of that in the last 3 years. This was the speculation during the Kiehl Frazier era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipadeedoodah 24 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 "I've been to practices in the past, and have seen Nick Marshall ask DC for pointers." You call this concrete evidence of Lashlee's incompetence? Sounds like you're taking this very personally. I do take it personally because I like to watch this team play. Win or lose. We aren't paying our coach Nick Saban money or Jim Harbaugh money. Say what you want about proven commodities. You get what you pay for. Malzahn is paid an average SEC salary. He makes less than Sumlin and has accomplished more. So why you guys expect this team to not have off years like this is beyond me. If Malzahn made 10 mil a year I would expect an SEC title every year. Otherwise y'all need to accept this isn't our year and enjoy the games we do win. LOL. Gus' salary is fair based on his first two seasons as HC (1 very good year that exceeded expectations followed by a year that failed to meet expectations. Should we not win at least 9 regular season games this season with a win over spuat or uga included in those 9 wins then Gus needs to give part of his salary back to AU. wde Does that mean we owe him backpay for winning the SEC in 2013 on a pitiful $2.3 m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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