MDM4AU 330 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,472 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I do think this is overlooked a lot. We tend to perceive things as much worse than they actually are. That said, our gun homicide rates and our accidental gun death rates are much higher than other industrialized countries. We need to understand and figure out why that is and work toward some solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM4AU 330 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 I do think this is overlooked a lot. We tend to perceive things as much worse than they actually are. That said, our gun homicide rates and our accidental gun death rates are much higher than other industrialized countries. We need to understand and figure out why that is and work toward some solutions. Yeah, social media and "instant headlines" are major culprits for the perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,973 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/ thx for the link. Interesting some see legalizing abortion as a factor in homicide decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,588 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I do think this is overlooked a lot. We tend to perceive things as much worse than they actually are. That said, our gun homicide rates and our accidental gun death rates are much higher than other industrialized countries. We need to understand and figure out why that is and work toward some solutions. Most of the solutions require people to act responsibly and obey the law. That would cut out 99% of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,472 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Most of the solutions require people to act responsibly and obey the law. That would cut out 99% of it. Well, wouldn't that cut out 99% of all the world's problems? If people were responsible and obeyed the law, we wouldn't need guns or law enforcement at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,588 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Most of the solutions require people to act responsibly and obey the law. That would cut out 99% of it. Well, wouldn't that cut out 99% of all the world's problems? If people were responsible and obeyed the law, we wouldn't need guns or law enforcement at all. You know what I meant. Geez. We can beat a dead horse but the more probable cause is the breakdown of the family unit/decline in moral ethics. You can also throw in mental illness related to the last two mentioned along with drug use, alcoholism, lack of proper storage of firearms by the gun owner....etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,462 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Like abortion, another debate defined by the extremes. Too much of the attitude of, "you can't give an inch or, you will give up a mile". There is no reason to not close the gun show loophole or, to ban late term abortions (with some exceptions) but, those who hold extreme positions are successfully leveraging the partisan divide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Most of the solutions require people to act responsibly and obey the law. That would cut out 99% of it. Well, wouldn't that cut out 99% of all the world's problems? If people were responsible and obeyed the law, we wouldn't need guns or law enforcement at all. It would also help immensely if the POTUS set an example by obeying the law.......all of them not just the ones he wants to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,462 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Most of the solutions require people to act responsibly and obey the law. That would cut out 99% of it. Well, wouldn't that cut out 99% of all the world's problems? If people were responsible and obeyed the law, we wouldn't need guns or law enforcement at all. It would also help immensely if the POTUS set an example by obeying the law.......all of them not just the ones he wants to. What laws has he broken? Are charges pending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM4AU 330 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Like abortion, another debate defined by the extremes. Too much of the attitude of, "you can't give an inch or, you will give up a mile". There is no reason to not close the gun show loophole or, to ban late term abortions (with some exceptions) but, those who hold extreme positions are successfully leveraging the partisan divide. I don't have a problem with closing the GS loophole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,462 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Like abortion, another debate defined by the extremes. Too much of the attitude of, "you can't give an inch or, you will give up a mile". There is no reason to not close the gun show loophole or, to ban late term abortions (with some exceptions) but, those who hold extreme positions are successfully leveraging the partisan divide. I don't have a problem with closing the GS loophole. I think most feel that way. However, politics is more important than common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Like abortion, another debate defined by the extremes. Too much of the attitude of, "you can't give an inch or, you will give up a mile". There is no reason to not close the gun show loophole or, to ban late term abortions (with some exceptions) but, those who hold extreme positions are successfully leveraging the partisan divide. I don't have a problem with closing the GS loophole. I think most feel that way. However, politics is more important than common sense. Sure seems that way but in today's world what real issue is there where politics isn't more important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,418 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 http://www.pewsocial...public-unaware/ Ewe just aint won of der kewl kids. How dare ewe not agree wid all of dem dar libruls. Ewe is kilt da dang meme thang we was a pooshin about how all dose guns is ald da evile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 http://www.pewsocial...public-unaware/ Ewe just aint won of der kewl kids. How dare ewe not agree wid all of dem dar libruls. Ewe is kilt da dang meme thang we was a pooshin about how all dose guns is ald da evile. Have you been hanging around with ICHY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,418 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 http://www.pewsocial...public-unaware/ Ewe just aint won of der kewl kids. How dare ewe not agree wid all of dem dar libruls. Ewe is kilt da dang meme thang we was a pooshin about how all dose guns is ald da evile. Have you been hanging around with ICHY? On some issues, yes. But on the real problem with guns, the real problem, is there really isnt one. The real overall view is that gun violence is way down since 1993. Overall violent crime is way down since 1993. We do still have problems, but we are way better than we used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,588 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Most of the solutions require people to act responsibly and obey the law. That would cut out 99% of it. Well, wouldn't that cut out 99% of all the world's problems? If people were responsible and obeyed the law, we wouldn't need guns or law enforcement at all. It would also help immensely if the POTUS set an example by obeying the law.......all of them not just the ones he wants to. What laws has he broken? Are charges pending? Maybe his order for the DOJ (ICE) to turn a blind eye to certain laws pertaining to illegal entry into the US is what he's referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBags7277 734 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Hence the reason I couldn't care less about whether over half of them want more restrictions. Public opinion today is overwhelmingly based on feels over facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,462 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Violent crime is down in general. Anyone read the "Freakenomics" explanation of why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,136 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Violent crime is down in general. Anyone read the "Freakenomics" explanation of why? Lead paint and abortion. I think that's fascinating. Also surprised they didn't consider the gasoline additive tetraethyl lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,588 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Hence the reason I couldn't care less about whether over half of them want more restrictions. Public opinion today is overwhelmingly based on feels over facts. It will lead us to a very destructive place one day..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,973 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Violent crime is down in general. Anyone read the "Freakenomics" explanation of why? Lead paint and abortion. I think that's fascinating. Also surprised they didn't consider the gasoline additive tetraethyl lead. they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,136 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Violent crime is down in general. Anyone read the "Freakenomics" explanation of why? Lead paint and abortion. I think that's fascinating. Also surprised they didn't consider the gasoline additive tetraethyl lead. they did. Did they? It's been years since I read the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,357 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 This is the sort of thing that worries me more than the gubmint coming for my guns. Road rage shooting kills 4-year-old girl in New Mexico http://www.cbsnews.com/news/road-rage-shooting-kills-4-year-old-girl-in-new-mexico/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,588 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 This is the sort of thing that worries me more than the gubmint coming for my guns. Road rage shooting kills 4-year-old girl in New Mexico http://www.cbsnews.c...-in-new-mexico/ No law could have stopped what happened here. Most road rage involves someone using their vehicle to ram/crash into the person they are angry with. Would we have heard about it if the headline were: "Road rage vehicular homicide results in the death of a 4-year-old in New Mexico"? Possibly because of the age of the child but would there be a new political push to regulate vehicle ownership? NO! While this is tragic and horrific, it's not even a drop in the bucket compared to the other things going on in America or around the world that take precious lives away from us. And no, this isn't a straw man argument....it's an honest comparison. Bad people do bad things and the tools they use to do it vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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