Haven't had a chance to come back over here

[GhettoHokie 0]

Congrats on a hard fought-well earned victory and perfect season. You almost let us come back there at the end, but you pulled it out. The game could have gone both ways in my opinion. Had we scored on that gimme TD on 4th and made the FG, had Randall hit the WIDE open Josh Morgan in the endzone, we probably would have won (although I know that you would have put the ball in the air in the 4th quarter instead of milking the clock), or you could have blown us out instead of settling for 3 FG's inside the 10. Either way, you all played well. To be perfectly honest with you, Cadillac and Ronnie Brown didn't live up to the hype, neither did Campbell, except on 3rd downs and key plays. The guy I was most impressed with was Carlos Rogers. MAN what a playmaker. He could have single-handedly won you the game by stopping Randall's QB draw at the goal line when he up-ended him (because Eddie Royal missed the block on him).

About the dirty play, I can't think of any other "questionable" play, let's call it, out of Eric Green than the throw-down out of bounds, but the Auburn receiver had his facemask so it was semi-justified. As for Jimmy Williams, the guy plays with emotion and he is a VERY physical player. Eye-poking--that stuff happens in EVERY game with EVERY team. What did you think went on in the bottom of piles? Call us dirty, we don't care-that carries about as much weight as calling you national champions.

Having watched VT play USC and then Auburn, and having seen several of both team's games this year, USC was unbeatable at the end of the season. They beat the #2 team in the country by 36 points. You would not have been beaten by the Trojans by 36, but by several touchdowns. Their defense played lights out, they swarmed to the ball at lightning speed, you would not have gotten the big 3rd down plays, and their offense was unbelievable. If you let Josh Morgan have 2 big TD plays, what do you think would have happened with Matt Leinart tossing to Jarret, White, and Reggie Bush?

Whether you deserved a shot at USC is another story. I think you did. Oklahoma did not really play anybody, and when they did they squeaked by. In my opinion you should have been in Miami, but would have lost to USC.

BUT anyway, just wanted to say congrats and voice my opinions on a few things, I'm anxious to hear what some of you think about my opinions too. See you guys next year in a rematch in the Rose Bowl!

[TexasTiger 11,031]

Congrats on a hard fought-well earned victory and perfect season. You almost let us come back there at the end, but you pulled it out. The game could have gone both ways in my opinion. Had we scored on that gimme TD on 4th and made the FG, had Randall hit the WIDE open Josh Morgan in the endzone, we probably would have won (although I know that you would have put the ball in the air in the 4th quarter instead of milking the clock), or you could have blown us out instead of settling for 3 FG's inside the 10. Either way, you all played well. To be perfectly honest with you, Cadillac and Ronnie Brown didn't live up to the hype, neither did Campbell, except on 3rd downs and key plays. The guy I was most impressed with was Carlos Rogers. MAN what a playmaker. He could have single-handedly won you the game by stopping Randall's QB draw at the goal line when he up-ended him (because Eddie Royal missed the block on him).

About the dirty play, I can't think of any other "questionable" play, let's call it, out of Eric Green than the throw-down out of bounds, but the Auburn receiver had his facemask so it was semi-justified. As for Jimmy Williams, the guy plays with emotion and he is a VERY physical player. Eye-poking--that stuff happens in EVERY game with EVERY team. What did you think went on in the bottom of piles? Call us dirty, we don't care-that carries about as much weight as calling you national champions.

Having watched VT play USC and then Auburn, and having seen several of both team's games this year, USC was unbeatable at the end of the season. They beat the #2 team in the country by 36 points. You would not have been beaten by the Trojans by 36, but by several touchdowns. Their defense played lights out, they swarmed to the ball at lightning speed, you would not have gotten the big 3rd down plays, and their offense was unbelievable. If you let Josh Morgan have 2 big TD plays, what do you think would have happened with Matt Leinart tossing to Jarret, White, and Reggie Bush?

Whether you deserved a shot at USC is another story. I think you did. Oklahoma did not really play anybody, and when they did they squeaked by. In my opinion you should have been in Miami, but would have lost to USC.

BUT anyway, just wanted to say congrats and voice my opinions on a few things, I'm anxious to hear what some of you think about my opinions too. See you guys next year in a rematch in the Rose Bowl!

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Thanks for the congrats...I think, but to be honest, this is one of the stupidest things I've heard:

USC was unbeatable at the end of the season. They beat the #2 team in the country by 36 points. You would not have been beaten by the Trojans by 36, but by several touchdowns.

Unbeatable? The game before was a five point win over a mediocre team-- UCLA. I frankly don't know if they would have beat OK the next night, but that night they obviously played very well. Several touchdowns? That's the really stupid part. Unless we turn the ball over 4 times, no intelligent person should reach the conclusion that ANY team beats AU by several TDs. Based on what? OK had given up 35 points each to a 7-5 Ok St team and an equally average TAMU team. AU had the best scoring D in the nation. For that matter, NO TEAM would beat VA Tech by several TDs. Neither team would let itself get blown out this year. You bought the hype that OU was great, therefore USC must be unbeatable. I don't know who would win in any given game, but I'd have no qualms about playing USC. If AU played them every week, we'd win our share and would not likely ever get blown out.

[WaReAgLe57 2]

what if's from your first paragraph and what if's for Auburn:

We could of blown yall out if the scored touchdowns on those field goal plays

Top players?

how bout Randall living up to his hype? not impressed

in fact in the first half i was more impressed with your band than your team

regarding USC v OU

I am sorry but if you turn the ball over 5 times to a decent team they will jump all over you

And USC V AU

would of been alot closer than that one-sided victory of USC over OU

[StatTiger 3,086]

About the dirty play, I can't think of any other "questionable" play, let's call it, out of Eric Green than the throw-down out of bounds, but the Auburn receiver had his facemask so it was semi-justified. As for Jimmy Williams, the guy plays with emotion and he is a VERY physical player. Eye-poking--that stuff happens in EVERY game with EVERY team. What did you think went on in the bottom of piles? Call us dirty, we don't care-that carries about as much weight as calling you national champions.

First of all, I've always had great respect for your coach and the accomplishments of your team. Before the game, I said Auburn would win by "4" because I knew that you guys had a terrific defense and you were clearly the best team out of the ACC this year. I thought VT should have been 11-1 based on a missed FG against NC State.

#2, #22 and #45 on your defense are DIRTY players, no question. Carnell Williams, Ronnie Brown and Anthony Mix were intentionally poked in the eyes during gang tackles. This was no slip or accident but plain & simple, dirty play. Carnell is still being treated for his eye injury he suffered during the game. He along with Brown commented on the intentional ankle twisting too. I hope that your coach doesn't condone this kind of play and if he knew about it and did nothing; I have no respect for him. You can try to defend the play of those three players if you wish but that would only make you just as pathetic. If those players continue to play dirty, I hope they get what's coming to them.

WDE

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Thanks fellow Hokie for coming by (me....MSAE in '62). It was a good game. I'm not one to go back and play the "if' game but one can always do that. As far as USC being unbeatable, I have to violently disagree. That's the same thing most people said about the Russian hockey team in the Olympics a few years ago. The American team that beat them worked hard and had a special chemistry. So does this Auburn team. They are the Fighting Soldiers and I truly believe they could slay the Men of Troy. Unfortunately for all of us and college football history, we have been denied the event to determine that answer.

[VT_Hotrod 0]

I keep seeing you guys say that Carnell and Ronnie were complaining about ankle twisting and eye poking. Where? Id like to see it.

The "what ifs" of this game dont hold too much weight. We left 14 easy points on the board. Auburn left 13 points on the board, but hardly easy. VT has been outstanding in the red zone this season, quite a few goal line stops in the last couple of games.

The fact is, the game wouldve been much, much different if Allen wouldve caught the easy td pass. We would have been leading, had some momentum, and the game wouldve been different. There isnt any "we wouldve won if..." because Auburn played run the clock the entire 4th quarter. Granted, they played run the clock with 2 of the best backs in college football, but VT knew they would run the ball.

Auburn likely wouldve won by more if the game was closer, because Campbell was in the zone. Randall was making too many mistakes to win the game, which isnt new. He hasnt been ACC POY material the entire season.

[GhettoHokie 0]

TexasTiger, after hearing your argument, I think I agree with you. You would not have gotten blown out. Good points.

I guess I should have said, if USC played like they did against OU, no one would have beat them.

WarEagle57-Randall without a doubt had a bad game. He was not sharp or crisp at all. I was definetely disappointed. I already said that it could have been a blowout if you scored TD's instead of FG's.

Dirty players-we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[auskull 239]

I don't agree with hokie's assessment of the game, BUT the VT D was everybit as good as advertised. Opinions changed drastically after the Orange Bowl. That's why they are called opinions. Only if AU had played USC would we have known the outcome. Don't forget, the entire ESPN staff, save Corso, picked OU. Earlier on this board I picked USC because I felt OU and the Big 12 were overrated. I was however questioning myself after the Cal game.

In any event, nobody beat this AU team and until they do, don't assume to know who will. The reason VT got beat, the lack of execution. Give credit to the AU D or not, AU executed like they have all year. The results are on the scoreboard. The word is out on VT in this conference. Issue visors when you play. Ask Coach Dubose and the bammer players and Saban and the LSU players.

[Auburn85 415]

Pollsters I guess forgot that Tennessee was #15 in the SEC championship.

They also forgot that VA TECH was in the Top 10, but oh wait , that's just their lame exuse to keep us from the top

[StatTiger 3,086]

I keep seeing you guys say that Carnell and Ronnie were complaining about ankle twisting and eye poking. Where? Id like to see it.

Did you not see Carnell Williams leave the field and receive treatment to his eye???

Did you not see Anthony Mix talking to an official, while motioning two fingers to his eyes?

I guess our players just made this stuff up!

['82 Tiger 2]

mr ghetto, i don't remember any other game we played this year where the tigers had their eyes poked. unsportsman like conduct must not be a penalty in the conference where the refs came from. reckon the hokie 'POKIE' isn't just a dance step...huh?

[GhettoHokie 0]

LOL that was good ^^^

[VT_Hotrod 0]

Did you not see Carnell Williams leave the field and receive treatment to his eye???

Did you not see Anthony Mix talking to an official, while motioning two fingers to his eyes?

I saw the first one, Carnell was recieving some eye drops and came back a couple plays later. I didnt see Mix motioning to the ref though. No doubt they were poked in the eye, I just wont believe it was deliberate, until I hear some words from the players about it Same for ankle twisting.

I know this team doesnt do that crap.

[StatTiger 3,086]

I know this team doesnt do that crap.

Total BS!

Why would our players lie about it?

I didnt see Mix motioning to the ref though. No doubt they were poked in the eye, I just wont believe it was deliberate

Mix wears a shield on his helmet as does Ronnie Brown. Your scummy players had to reach under the face mask to get to our player's eyes. I have never seen Williams, Brown or Mix poked in the eye during their entire career. What are the odds of all three players being poked in the eye during the same game?

[VT_Hotrod 0]

Why would our players lie about it?

They havent even commented about it. And I cant say anything about the motioning that Mix did to the ref because I dont remember seeing that.

I have never seen Williams, Brown or Mix poked in the eye during their entire career. What are the odds of all three players being poked in the eye during the same game?

I dont think Brown was ever poked in the eye, I sure dont remember him being on the sideline recieving treatment.

[AuNuma1 1]

The thug with the dreads, #1 for VT, was the dirtiest. He was the one that slung Mix to the ground when he was already 5 yards out of bounds, then jumps in Mix's face after he gets up...blatant no call by the way.

[mcgufcm 3,872]

i could care less about the dirty play. we were the better team; they were scrapping to make up the difference. it happens. underdogs will generally get chippy to try to level the playing field. i don't think that kind of stuff is common place b/c i don't think the hokies are less talented than many teams they play (actually i'd say only two or three since miami probably has less talent... they just aren't as well coached).

as for the "usc was unbeatable" that's insane. simply insane. you can take any single receiver on the field, jarret, smith, even reggie bush and ignore him every single play. carlos can lock down any of those guys. add to that the FACT that no one plays run defense like us (one 100-yard rusher all year, 3 rushing tds all year), and you can throw lendale white (who is 5 times the ball carrier that bush is) out the window for anything over 50 yards. that leaves you with basically one dimension. we were the best defense in the nation for a reason. there is no way usc scores more than 28 on us, and given the fact that teams like stanford and ucla put those numbers on usc, auburn would be able to score some points. it would be a dogfight, but there is no way usc could blow us out. hell, va tech is better than oklahoma so that game didn't prove a damn thing to me.

i also think you're selling your own team short by insinuating that seeing your guys play usc in game 1 is the same as seeing them play us in game 12. i would think you'd say you were a lot better at the end than the beginning, and you'd have to admit that we controlled the game a lot more than usc did against you guys. they had to get a blown call and a fourth quarter comeback to win. we sat on the ball for an entire quarter. forget the score, you tell me who was more dominant.

[keoson7 28]

Heck I was there and saw the dirty tricks the hokies played. The hokie field goal attempt they made, the Pass interference on the TD to #! It was paid for refs givin a hokie lot of leeway to the dirtiest players in the game. I was there, I saw the whole thing ,and I was pissed Tubs called off the assault, after the defeat of hokieism. But I was glad to beat the dirty hokie's and proud to say after discussion of our war eagle/tiger name I called some dumb bimbo hokie girl a "castrated turkey". It was fun. WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAR EAGLE!!!

[StatTiger 3,086]

They havent even commented about it. And I cant say anything about the motioning that Mix did to the ref because I dont remember seeing that.

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Carnell Williams had his eye gouged and lost a contact lense in the game. His eye was still red after the game. The Cadillac said he was surprised that some of the Virginia Tech players were dirty. He said several times in piles players grabbed his ankles and twisted them.

Auburn's 4th offensive possession, 5th play of the drive. Nix makes a 15 yard grab and is gang tackled. He immediately goes to the ref...

[StatTiger 3,086]

Hey VT Rod...

3:17 in the first period, Carnell gets his eyes poked by #22 while he's down on the ground after the play is called dead. He jumps up in anger and has to leave the field because of the injury. It's no accident.

1:53 in the first period, Ronnie Brown is poked in the eye by #45 after he is tackled and after the play is called dead. He goes to an official and points to his eyes. He stated after the game, he was poked in the eyes.

5:55 in the second period, Mix is gang tackled and his eyes are poked by #2. Mix takes his helmet off and complains to the ref, motioning to his eyes with two fingers. A fellow Auburn player has to restrain him from jumping on your thug player.

Go watch the tape again. I gave you the times. Those players are out right thugs and you're a tool for defending them!

[TexasTiger 11,031]

TexasTiger, after hearing your argument, I think I agree with you. You would not have gotten blown out. Good points.

I guess I should have said, if USC played like they did against OU, no one would have beat them.

WarEagle57-Randall without a doubt had a bad game. He was not sharp or crisp at all. I was definetely disappointed. I already said that it could have been a blowout if you scored TD's instead of FG's.

Dirty players-we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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I think we scored FGs instead of TDs mostly because VT has a great D. Sure, it would have been nice to convert at least one of those, but I never expected to blow out VT-- they'd only given up 24 points twice all year-- which was what folks were saying that AU had to do to have a chance. As it turned out, it wouldn' t have mattered anyway. VT is a dangerous team which, I believe, could beat any team on a given day, including USC.

[SKCAUB 0]

Congrats on a hard fought-well earned victory and perfect season. You almost let us come back there at the end, but you pulled it out. The game could have gone both ways in my opinion. Had we scored on that gimme TD on 4th and made the FG, had Randall hit the WIDE open Josh Morgan in the endzone, we probably would have won (although I know that you would have put the ball in the air in the 4th quarter instead of milking the clock), or you could have blown us out instead of settling for 3 FG's inside the 10. Either way, you all played well. To be perfectly honest with you, Cadillac and Ronnie Brown didn't live up to the hype, neither did Campbell, except on 3rd downs and key plays. The guy I was most impressed with was Carlos Rogers. MAN what a playmaker. He could have single-handedly won you the game by stopping Randall's QB draw at the goal line when he up-ended him (because Eddie Royal missed the block on him).

About the dirty play, I can't think of any other "questionable" play, let's call it, out of Eric Green than the throw-down out of bounds, but the Auburn receiver had his facemask so it was semi-justified. As for Jimmy Williams, the guy plays with emotion and he is a VERY physical player. Eye-poking--that stuff happens in EVERY game with EVERY team. What did you think went on in the bottom of piles? Call us dirty, we don't care-that carries about as much weight as calling you national champions.

Having watched VT play USC and then Auburn, and having seen several of both team's games this year, USC was unbeatable at the end of the season. They beat the #2 team in the country by 36 points. You would not have been beaten by the Trojans by 36, but by several touchdowns. Their defense played lights out, they swarmed to the ball at lightning speed, you would not have gotten the big 3rd down plays, and their offense was unbelievable. If you let Josh Morgan have 2 big TD plays, what do you think would have happened with Matt Leinart tossing to Jarret, White, and Reggie Bush?

Whether you deserved a shot at USC is another story. I think you did. Oklahoma did not really play anybody, and when they did they squeaked by. In my opinion you should have been in Miami, but would have lost to USC.

BUT anyway, just wanted to say congrats and voice my opinions on a few things, I'm anxious to hear what some of you think about my opinions too. See you guys next year in a rematch in the Rose Bowl!

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Thanks man...but on the "if's and buts"...if AU had scored TD's instead of FG's, this thing would've been over at half time...so that cuts both ways. The game wasn't as close as the score indicated.

Let me say though, that the VA Tech folks that we met at Pat O'Reilly's were the nicest that I talked to all season...and we were flirted with by MANY VA Tech cuties there...really had a great time with some of your babes on Bourbon Street!

[TexasTiger 11,031]

Thanks man...but on the "if's and buts"...if AU had scored TD's instead of FG's, this thing would've been over at half time...so that cuts both ways. The game wasn't as close as the score indicated.

Let me say though, that the VA Tech folks that we met at Pat O'Reilly's were the nicest that I talked to all season...and we were flirted with by MANY VA Tech cuties there...really had a great time with some of your babes on Bourbon Street! 

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Most Tech people I met were very nice and fun to be around. I think the mutual respect both fans tended to have for each other made the experience far more enjoyable than it otherwise would have been.

[Auburn85 415]

I can remember last season when a VA TECH player committed a personal foul.

Beamer went over to him and slapped him in the head with his helmet on. The player then just walked away. Beamer took alot of heat for that, and eventually gave in by apologizing. SHUG OR BEAR, wouldn't survive knit-pickey stuff like that today

[GhettoHokie 0]

The thug with the dreads, #1 for VT, was the dirtiest.  He was the one that slung Mix to the ground when he was already 5 yards out of bounds, then jumps in Mix's face after he gets up...blatant no call by the way.

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Like I said, Mix had a death-lock on Eric Green's facemask.

i could care less about the dirty play. we were the better team; they were scrapping to make up the difference. it happens. underdogs will generally get chippy to try to level the playing field. i don't think that kind of stuff is common place b/c i don't think the hokies are less talented than many teams they play (actually i'd say only two or three since miami probably has less talent... they just aren't as well coached).

as for the "usc was unbeatable" that's insane. simply insane. you can take any single receiver on the field, jarret, smith, even reggie bush and ignore him every single play. carlos can lock down any of those guys. add to that the FACT that no one plays run defense like us (one 100-yard rusher all year, 3 rushing tds all year), and you can throw lendale white (who is 5 times the ball carrier that bush is) out the window for anything over 50 yards. that leaves you with basically one dimension. we were the best defense in the nation for a reason. there is no way usc scores more than 28 on us, and given the fact that teams like stanford and ucla put those numbers on usc, auburn would be able to score some points. it would be a dogfight, but there is no way usc could blow us out. hell, va tech is better than oklahoma so that game didn't prove a damn thing to me.

i also think you're selling your own team short by insinuating that seeing your guys play usc in game 1 is the same as seeing them play us in game 12. i would think you'd say you were a lot better at the end than the beginning, and you'd have to admit that we controlled the game a lot more than usc did against you guys. they had to get a blown call and a fourth quarter comeback to win. we sat on the ball for an entire quarter. forget the score, you tell me who was more dominant.

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One word....intangibles. USC had them, at least Jan. 4th. They played 100% in every aspect. In my opinion, you would have been beaten by them. As for us playing them week 1, yes I agree, we got MUCH better since then, but so did they. Yes AU controlled the game more than USC, but VT, despite being better at the end than at season's beginning, played poorly against AU.