1st O vs 1st D

[LKEEL75 2,567]

Does Auburn or any other teams run 1s vs 1s? I was listening to The Drive yesterday and listened to the UAt/LSU homer Wes Neighbors explain that the reason the Clemson has no chance is because they don't see the power football everyday in practice. And that is why AU has had so many issues while facing these two teams because they don't see it every day. I thought that the scout team was supposed to be running the O against the 1st on D for practice, not the 1st team O.

Please don't make this a thread about AU being soft!

[lionheartkc 6,150]

That is what the practice squad is for, but they are also the practice squad for a reason. If they were bama, or anyone else's, 1st team, then they would be on the field and not the practice squad. So, they can learn and run the plays, but the majority of the time you aren't going to be able to simulate talent, strength, etc. Often times, a coach will sub in a 1st teamer, on the practice squad, to try to simulate a specific player, but you don't have time to have the entire first team learn their offense and the opposing team's offense.

I think what Wes was referring to is the fact that Clemson is more of a speed/finesse team, that also plays in the now admitted by FSU, "softer" ACC, so they aren't used to running up against the brutes on bama's lines and they could struggle.

[LKEEL75 2,567]

Thanks lionheart. It was just puzzling to hear someone say that. It seemed like he was implying these schools were run 1v1.

[AUinfusion 390]

I don't know about LSU, but uat successfully recruits so many top ranked players (draw your own conclusions on how) that they can probably field a scout team that is better than most of the ACC first teams.

[aujeff11 6,243]

Texas A&M never runs 1's v 1's either. I think Bama runs it during the spring and in the spring game.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

Texas A&M never runs 1's v 1's either. I think Bama runs it during the spring and in the spring game.

Probably, but no one runs 1s vs 1s in game prep.

[doc4aday 1,887]

Us and Ole Miss are the closest teams in the SEC that runs an offense similar to Clemson's. Bammer could be in trouble in that Clemson is a superior team at this moment in time to us and Ole Miss.

Clemson's defense is as good or better than a lot of teams in the SEC a tis moment in time. It would not surprise me one bit if Clemson has over 450 yards in total offense against the turds.

[milehighfan 1,268]

UAT will also have to deal with a QB who was also a Heisman Trophy finalist and can make plays with his legs.

[cole256 17,085]

Late in the season you won't see first team o vs d. I've seen it while still early in the season though.

[AuburnNTexas 7,643]

All the whole you won't see 1st D vs 1st O but you will see individual drills of 1st team D player against 1st team O player as not to many players get hurt in one on one drills but they can refine their individual skill set.

[AUtiger98 24]

Lionheartkc is right, because I've heard Wes say this before. Wes is comparing the speed/finesse teams to the power football teams.

Its a fair assessment until Bammer loses to Auburn, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, and Ohio St.

[LKEEL75 2,567]

Lionheartkc is right, because I've heard Wes say this before. Wes is comparing the speed/finesse teams to the power football teams.

Its a fair assessment until Bammer loses to Auburn, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, and Ohio St.

hahaha I see what you did there

[keesler 6,045]

I don't know about LSU, but uat successfully recruits so many top ranked players (draw your own conclusions on how) that they can probably field a scout team that is better than most of the ACC first teams.

This

Their backups are primed and ready to play ball. Hell, that Dline subs up to 10 players in every damn game and they know their job, they execute it and if you aren't blinded by O&B glasses, it's a thing of beauty to watch those guys play. They are talented, but the coaching shines through when they execute the basic fundamentals of football.

[keesler 6,045]

Lionheartkc is right, because I've heard Wes say this before. Wes is comparing the speed/finesse teams to the power football teams.

Its a fair assessment until Bammer loses to Auburn, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, and Ohio St.

It's more than a fair assessment when their team has only lost +/- a dozen games in the last 8 yrs.

[AUtiger98 24]

Keesler, I agree. The key is talent level not that they play a physical style. If playing a physical style of football was the answer few teams would be running the spread.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

Keesler, I agree. The key is talent level not that they play a physical style. If playing a physical style of football was the answer few teams would be running the spread.

Actually, the spread (and more so the HUNH) was developed as a way for smaller teams to compete with bigger, more physical teams. The purpose of it is to utilize speed and space to wear out the teams that rely on big and strong, while using deception to do some damage while you are wearing them down.

That's why it has always been Saban's Achilles heel. It was designed to combat his style of play.

[Malcolm_FleX48 1,885]

Keesler, I agree. The key is talent level not that they play a physical style. If playing a physical style of football was the answer few teams would be running the spread.

Actually, the spread (and more so the HUNH) was developed as a way for smaller teams to compete with bigger, more physical teams. The purpose of it is to utilize speed and space to wear out the teams that rely on big and strong, while using deception to do some damage while you are wearing them down.

That's why it has always been Saban's Achilles heel. It was designed to combat his style of play.

Also just to tack onto that point, a distinction that needs to be made is calling the spread an entire offense in and of itself. The spread is simply a concept by which plays and formations are created by. There isn't necessarily a formation called the spread, though there are formations that would be labeled in a playbook as spreading a team out. Even old school Bama had plays and situations taken from Spurrier's book in Florida, who was notorious for operating out of nearly 80-90% spread type formations in his run and shoot offense. Same with the hurry up no huddle. It's basically a concept that every team runs, see 2-minute offense. Both are concepts that are incorporated to an original offensive scheme: I.E. Air Raid, Wing T, Option, Pistol, Pro-Style, Triple Option, ect.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

Keesler, I agree. The key is talent level not that they play a physical style. If playing a physical style of football was the answer few teams would be running the spread.

Actually, the spread (and more so the HUNH) was developed as a way for smaller teams to compete with bigger, more physical teams. The purpose of it is to utilize speed and space to wear out the teams that rely on big and strong, while using deception to do some damage while you are wearing them down.

That's why it has always been Saban's Achilles heel. It was designed to combat his style of play.

Also just to tack onto that point, a distinction that needs to be made is calling the spread an entire offense in and of itself. The spread is simply a concept by which plays and formations are created by. There isn't necessarily a formation called the spread, though there are formations that would be labeled in a playbook as spreading a team out. Even old school Bama had plays and situations taken from Spurrier's book in Florida, who was notorious for operating out of nearly 80-90% spread type formations in his run and shoot offense. Same with the hurry up no huddle. It's basically a concept that every team runs, see 2-minute offense. Both are concepts that are incorporated to an original offensive scheme: I.E. Air Raid, Wing T, Option, Pistol, Pro-Style, Triple Option, ect.

So... At least from what I've read, Gus refers to his scheme as the HUNH... what would you say it is, Flex? I know it was basically the Read-Option when Nick was running it, but how about under Cam and this year?

[Malcolm_FleX48 1,885]

Keesler, I agree. The key is talent level not that they play a physical style. If playing a physical style of football was the answer few teams would be running the spread.

Actually, the spread (and more so the HUNH) was developed as a way for smaller teams to compete with bigger, more physical teams. The purpose of it is to utilize speed and space to wear out the teams that rely on big and strong, while using deception to do some damage while you are wearing them down.

That's why it has always been Saban's Achilles heel. It was designed to combat his style of play.

Also just to tack onto that point, a distinction that needs to be made is calling the spread an entire offense in and of itself. The spread is simply a concept by which plays and formations are created by. There isn't necessarily a formation called the spread, though there are formations that would be labeled in a playbook as spreading a team out. Even old school Bama had plays and situations taken from Spurrier's book in Florida, who was notorious for operating out of nearly 80-90% spread type formations in his run and shoot offense. Same with the hurry up no huddle. It's basically a concept that every team runs, see 2-minute offense. Both are concepts that are incorporated to an original offensive scheme: I.E. Air Raid, Wing T, Option, Pistol, Pro-Style, Triple Option, ect.

So... At least from what I've read, Gus refers to his scheme as the HUNH... what would you say it is, Flex? I know it was basically the Read-Option when Nick was running it, but how about under Cam and this year?

If we are really being specific, his scheme is a variation of the Wing T offense as I say numerous times. He has specific tweaks to what he does to his scheme and you're right when he refers to it as HUNH, though there is no offensive scheme that is associated with the HUNH. It simply refers to his style of play calling FOR his Wing T. Admittedly he incorporated some read option "concepts" (play packages) into his Wing T, when he had running QBs, and they would operate out of pistol depth. (See the Pistol offense and the Nevada Wolf-Pack. Fun Fact: My last coach at A&M, James Spady, worked under Chris Ault, the progenitor of the pistol read option offense with Collin Kaep. And so at A&M when I arrived, that was the offense we ran.) A habit that I've noticed with Coach Malzahn is that he is often very coy with the media, only giving the bare minimum of details. Like I said before, you'd be right when you reference him referring it to the HUNH, though that is only in regards to base tempo and doesn't tell the whole tale.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

If we are really being specific, his scheme is a variation of the Wing T offense as I say numerous times. He has specific tweaks to what he does to his scheme and you're right when he refers to it as HUNH, though there is no offensive scheme that is associated with the HUNH. It simply refers to his style of play calling FOR his Wing T. Admittedly he incorporated some read option "concepts" (play packages) into his Wing T, when he had running QBs, and they would operate out of pistol depth. (See the Pistol offense and the Nevada Wolf-Pack. Fun Fact: My last coach at A&M, James Spady, worked under Chris Ault, the progenitor of the pistol read option offense with Collin Kaep. And so at A&M when I arrived, that was the offense we ran.) A habit that I've noticed with Coach Malzahn is that he is often very coy with the media, only giving the bare minimum of details. Like I said before, you'd be right when you reference him referring it to the HUNH, though that is only in regards to base tempo and doesn't tell the whole tale.

See... who'd think you could come to a message board about football and actually learn something?

[keesler 6,045]

Keesler, I agree. The key is talent level not that they play a physical style. If playing a physical style of football was the answer few teams would be running the spread.

UAT has the talent we all know that - they have the depth of talent and their depth has experience. The key (IMHO) is that they are brainwashed over there. They are trained to know their position, know their responsibility and over a period of time that leads to the player actually "playing" ball and not having to worry about "thinking" about what they should be doing. In other words, those players are prepared at the highest level and when they get on the field, it shows in their production. You can play physical and use your brute strength and bring a strong/cocky attitude to the field when you know your job and your teammates know their's and you know what the results will be. That uat Dline will not be blocked, and that goes for the backups as well.

AU hasn't had enough coaching consistancy on defense since Tubbs & Co left. We've had talent on the defense, but they can't just get out there and play with confidence when they are staying in a constant treadmill of coordinators, defensive schemes, terminology, etc.