AUB1974 2 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 You just can't make this up..... From Washington Post Alabama’s controversial chief justice on Wednesday ordered counties to stop issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples, although it is unclear if large numbers of local officials will follow his directive. In an administrative order Wednesday afternoon, Chief Justice Roy Moore, who has been a key antagonist of gay rights advocates, said a recent court ruling suggests it is not yet clear that the U. S. Supreme Court’s June decision legalizing same-sex marriage nationally applies in Alabama. Therefore, he wrote, “until further decision by the Alabama Supreme Court,” state laws banning same-sex marriage “remain in full force and effect.” But Moore’s order, which came directly from his office and not from the Alabama Supreme Court, appears to conflict with an order by a federal judge last year. In that May order, U.S. District Judge Callie V. S. Granade ordered the state’s probate judges, whose job it is to issue marriage licenses, to issue them regardless of sexual orientation. She said explicitly that her order supersedes any order from the Alabama Supreme Court. Moore’s directive “doesn’t hold water because there’s a valid federal court injunction clearly binding all of Alabama’s probate judges, and it overrides anything that the Alabama Supreme Court issues,” said Susan Watson, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Alabama. At least two counties in Alabama that were issuing marriage licenses to all comers on Wednesday morning appeared to change course as a result of Moore’s order. In a statement posted Wednesday on the Mobile County probate court’s website, Judge Don Davis cited the Moore directive and wrote that the court “is not issuing marriage licenses to any applicants until further notice.” Gay rights groups pounced on Moore’s directive, calling it illegal and disruptive, but also characteristic of Moore, who is best known for being removed from office in 2003 for defying a federal judge’s order to remove a monument to the Ten Commandments from the state Supreme Court building. “Even from a man who has made a career out of showing contempt for the Constitution, this sets a new standard,” said Evan Wolfson, president of Freedom to Marry, a group that worked to legalize same-sex unions. “It is absolutely disgraceful, completely lawless and absurd.” Moore’s efforts are part of a last stand among opponents of legal same-sex marriage, who have sought to block its implementation despite the U.S. Supreme Court decision last summer finding that gay couples have a constitutional right to wed. He took a similar stand after same-sex marriage became legal in his state early last year, but most of the state’s counties decided to issue the marriage licenses to comply with Granade’s order. At least nine counties across Alabama, however, stopped issuing marriage licenses altogether last year to avoid having to grant them to gay couples, according to gay rights advocates. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUB1974 2 Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 The link https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/06/ala-chief-justice-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage-licenses/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_pn-alabama-400pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,137 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Best possible week for this news, too. Roh tahd roh ! Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURex 2,478 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 This is not a surprise. Roy Moore is all about Roy Moore. He pulls in truckloads of money every year on the speaking circuit spouting his ideology. He laughs all the way to the bank. How long until the feds once again remove this nutcase from the court for refusing to conform to the law if the land? Why hasn't the Alabama State Bar disbarred this crackpot? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,137 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 This is not a surprise. Roy Moore is all about Roy Moore. He pulls in truckloads of money every year on the speaking circuit spouting his ideology. He laughs all the way to the bank. How long until the feds once again remove this nutcase from the court for refusing to conform to the law if the land? Why hasn't the Alabama State Bar disbarred this crackpot? I was unaware the Feds removed Judge Moore from office a first time. Wasn't it the *AL courts ? * Court of the Judiciary (COJ), a panel of judges, lawyers and others appointed variously by judges, legal leaders, the governor and the lieutenant governor. The complaint effectively suspended Moore from the Chief Justice position pending a hearing by the COJ. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURex 2,478 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Yes, you are right. It was the Alabama Court of the Judiciary that removed him for his refusal to carry out his sworn duty to uphold the law of the land BECAUSE the federal courts had ruled that he was violating federal law and was going to begin imposing a $5,000 per day fine against the State until the monument was removed. The Alabama Court of the Judiciary stepped in to remove him from office to prevent that federal court judgment from taking effect. The rest of the Alabama Supreme Court supported his removal from office. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 12,283 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Grandstanding for more pub. He doesn't have a legal leg to stand on and he knows it. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,257 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I wish the IRS would do a serious audit of his non-profit, the Foundation for Moral Law. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,137 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I wish the IRS would do a serious audit of his non-profit, the Foundation for Moral Law. Did wonders to subvert the free speech rights of TEA party groups, so why not ? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 This is not a surprise. Roy Moore is all about Roy Moore. He pulls in truckloads of money every year on the speaking circuit spouting his ideology. He laughs all the way to the bank. How long until the feds once again remove this nutcase from the court for refusing to conform to the law if the land? Why hasn't the Alabama State Bar disbarred this crackpot? I was unaware the Feds removed Judge Moore from office a first time. Wasn't it the *AL courts ? * Court of the Judiciary (COJ), a panel of judges, lawyers and others appointed variously by judges, legal leaders, the governor and the lieutenant governor. The complaint effectively suspended Moore from the Chief Justice position pending a hearing by the COJ. And it's high time the COJ do it again! Or maybe SCOTUS should throw his butt in jail for contempt! And yeah, the State Bar should probably disbar him as well because of his apparent ignorance or disdain for the Constitutional process. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,137 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Which Constitutional process has he shown disdain for, exactly ? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,257 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I wish the IRS would do a serious audit of his non-profit, the Foundation for Moral Law. Did wonders to subvert the free speech rights of TEA party groups, so why not ? No, I'm not saying that because of his views or this action today. I happen to agree with his beliefs about the nature of marriage. I'm just saying, that place needs to be audited. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,137 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Thanks for the clarification. I admit, I have not even heard of his Foundation, and have no opinion for or against. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 19,658 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Once again, Alabama is a national laughingstock, thanks Roy. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 12,283 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I wish the IRS would do a serious audit of his non-profit, the Foundation for Moral Law. Did wonders to subvert the free speech rights of TEA party groups, so why not ? No, I'm not saying that because of his views or this action today. I happen to agree with his beliefs about the nature of marriage. I'm just saying, that place needs to be audited. Something seems fishy about it alright. Think his wife draws a six figure salary for doing jack s***. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBags7277 760 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just in time to gin up support for a gubernatorial race in 2018. Yippee!!! That you calling my name, Wyoming? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Which Constitutional process has he shown disdain for, exactly ? Just: 1. Article 6b, which establishes the federal constitution as the supreme law of the land, 2. The 14th Amendment, forbidding any state to deny equal protection under the laws to any person, 3. The 1st Amendment, forbidding government from respecting, e.g. acting based upon, one particular establishment of religion, and, 4. Marbury vs. Madison, which confirmed judicial review as part of the constitution authority of the U.S. Supreme Court to interpret the meaning of the federal constitution and the status of federal/state law written under it, and has been accepted by all three branches of government AND the majority of the People (since they haven't amended the Constitution to refute it) since 1803. Someone has to interpret the meaning and constitutionality of laws and it makes no sense in terms of checks and balances for the Legislative and Executive, who pass the laws, to be the only arbitrators of their own actions. Obviously there are those who disagree and they have a right to their opinion. But equally obvious is that their's is a very minority opinion regarding these Constitutional principles and carries no legal weight at present. The People can change any of those constitutional principles by constitutional amendment, but until any such amending, SCOTUS was completely within its authority in the Obergefell v. Hodges ruling, which stands as the law of the land. Those opposed to same-sex marriage should focus their efforts on amending the Constitution, but I'm skeptical of their chances for success. Roy Moore doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. (Which I think he knows, but doesn't intend to let that technicality jerk his soapbox out from under him or steal his spotlight.) Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBags7277 760 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I wish the IRS would do a serious audit of his non-profit, the Foundation for Moral Law. Did wonders to subvert the free speech rights of TEA party groups, so why not ? No, I'm not saying that because of his views or this action today. I happen to agree with his beliefs about the nature of marriage. I'm just saying, that place needs to be audited. I'm OK with it, just because of those clowns co-opting the Don't Tread on Me flag to sell license plates so they can have more money... to tread on folks with. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I wish the IRS would do a serious audit of his non-profit, the Foundation for Moral Law. Did wonders to subvert the free speech rights of TEA party groups, so why not ? No, I'm not saying that because of his views or this action today. I happen to agree with his beliefs about the nature of marriage. I'm just saying, that place needs to be audited. I'm OK with it, just because of those clowns co-opting the Don't Tread on Me flag to sell license plates so they can have more money... to tread on folks with. When these plates first came out, I thought it was an obvious violation of the 1st Amendment to permit a private organization that clearly states its "Christian/Biblical" beliefs and goals on its own web site (http://morallaw.org ) to use a state license to raise money for those intentions. One may as well let the Baptists, the Catholics, a Buddhist sect, a Muslim sect, a Jewish synagogue, or an atheist foundation, etc., raise money and promote its beliefs via State documents.However, I cannot find any reference to the car tags on either the Foundation's website or the State's specialty tags list (http://revenue.alaba...e/specialty.cfm ) now. I wonder if the tag has been discontinued/dropped (perhaps for this very reason)? Anyone else know? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,257 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I wish the IRS would do a serious audit of his non-profit, the Foundation for Moral Law. Did wonders to subvert the free speech rights of TEA party groups, so why not ? No, I'm not saying that because of his views or this action today. I happen to agree with his beliefs about the nature of marriage. I'm just saying, that place needs to be audited. Something seems fishy about it alright. Think his wife draws a six figure salary for doing jack s***. Pretty much. I think they'd find more than just a lazy president of the thing if they dug into it though. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,875 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Thanks for the clarification. I admit, I have not even heard of his Foundation, and have no opinion for or against. Since when did ignorance ever stop you from posting? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,137 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Thanks for the clarification. I admit, I have not even heard of his Foundation, and have no opinion for or against. Since when did ignorance ever stop you from posting? Irony, thy name is homersapien. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2414766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM4AU 339 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I wish the IRS would do a serious audit of his non-profit, the Foundation for Moral Law. THIS. I am so ready for this jackass to ride on off into the sunset. I don't care if that is in Etowah County or jail. Just get along... Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2415137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,875 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Thanks for the clarification. I admit, I have not even heard of his Foundation, and have no opinion for or against. Since when did ignorance ever stop you from posting? Irony, thy name is homersapien. Want to compare educations and experience? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2415213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,137 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Thanks for the clarification. I admit, I have not even heard of his Foundation, and have no opinion for or against. Since when did ignorance ever stop you from posting? :laugh:/> Irony, thy name is homersapien. :roflol:/> Want to compare educations and experience? Neither of which have helped you deal with facts here , so slow your roll homie. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149538-chief-justic-moore-orders-halt-to-same-sex-marriage/#findComment-2415292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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