TitanTiger 22,249 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Any idiot can mindlessly and robotically follow some rule. Engage the brain God gave you. Texas Middle Schooler who Suffered from Asthma Attacked Punished for Accepting Classmate's InhalerBreanna Edwards Indiyah Rush, 12, faces up to 30 days at an alternative school for lending classmate Alexis Kyle - who was also given the same punishment - an inhaler after Alexis suffered an asthma attack. A Texas middle school student who was suffering an asthma attack and accepted an inhaler from a classmate faces one month in an alternative school, Fox 4 News reports. Alexis Kyle, 13, is facing the same pentalty after using her classmate's inhaler. Indiyah Rush, 12, offered her inhaler to Alexis in gym class on Tuesday at Schrade Middle school after seeing Alexis struggle to breathe. "I'm getting in trouble, but the thing is, she's getting in trouble too. She tried to help me," Alexis told the news station. Alexis, for her part, had no idea that she was breaking a rule by accepting the inhaler. Both girls are A-B honor roll students, the news station says. And now they both face 30 days at alternative school as an automatic punishment for sharing a controlled substance, including prescription drugs, like an inhaler, until the principal can meet with the girls and their parents. The final punishment could change and be zero days or a maximum of a month. "The little girl saved her life. And the reason we say that because we have been to situations where she has been to ICU so we know how bad her asthma is," Alexis' step-father, Michael Green told Fox 4 News. Indiyah's mom, Monique Rush, is equally upset, noting that Indiya was also suspended. "I mean they punished her twice," Monqiue Rush said. "They suspended her on top of sending her to alternative school. I mean how could you do a kid like that?" "It's a prescription and one student's severity with asthma may not mirror that of the girl who let the other borrow hers and that could have resulted in some pretty significant issues," Garland Independent School Districtspokesperson Chris Moore said. However, Indiyah and her mom think the alternative school is too harsh of a punishment. "I was just trying to save her life. I didn't think I was trying to do anything bad," Indiyah said. Read more at Fox 4 News here and here. http://www.theroot.c...campaign=buffer If all it takes is the ability to rigidly apply some punishment from a spreadsheet to the offense, then what do we need to pay a human principal for? We could create the equivalent of a vending machine to spit out punishments since thought and nuance isn't needed. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,851 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Any idiot can mindlessly and robotically follow some rule. Engage the brain God gave you. Texas Middle Schooler who Suffered from Asthma Attacked Punished for Accepting Classmate's InhalerBreanna Edwards Indiyah Rush, 12, faces up to 30 days at an alternative school for lending classmate Alexis Kyle - who was also given the same punishment - an inhaler after Alexis suffered an asthma attack. A Texas middle school student who was suffering an asthma attack and accepted an inhaler from a classmate faces one month in an alternative school, Fox 4 News reports. Alexis Kyle, 13, is facing the same pentalty after using her classmate's inhaler. Indiyah Rush, 12, offered her inhaler to Alexis in gym class on Tuesday at Schrade Middle school after seeing Alexis struggle to breathe. "I'm getting in trouble, but the thing is, she's getting in trouble too. She tried to help me," Alexis told the news station. Alexis, for her part, had no idea that she was breaking a rule by accepting the inhaler. Both girls are A-B honor roll students, the news station says. And now they both face 30 days at alternative school as an automatic punishment for sharing a controlled substance, including prescription drugs, like an inhaler, until the principal can meet with the girls and their parents. The final punishment could change and be zero days or a maximum of a month. "The little girl saved her life. And the reason we say that because we have been to situations where she has been to ICU so we know how bad her asthma is," Alexis' step-father, Michael Green told Fox 4 News. Indiyah's mom, Monique Rush, is equally upset, noting that Indiya was also suspended. "I mean they punished her twice," Monqiue Rush said. "They suspended her on top of sending her to alternative school. I mean how could you do a kid like that?" "It's a prescription and one student's severity with asthma may not mirror that of the girl who let the other borrow hers and that could have resulted in some pretty significant issues," Garland Independent School Districtspokesperson Chris Moore said. However, Indiyah and her mom think the alternative school is too harsh of a punishment. "I was just trying to save her life. I didn't think I was trying to do anything bad," Indiyah said. Read more at Fox 4 News here and here. http://www.theroot.c...campaign=buffer If all it takes is the ability to rigidly apply some punishment from a spreadsheet to the offense, then what do we need to pay a human principal for? We could create the equivalent of a vending machine to spit out punishments since thought and nuance isn't needed. Well, not to make excuses for such a rule, but the article did say the charges could be dropped after a meeting between the parents and the principle. Setting the advisability of such a rule aside, perhaps the principle didn't want to put him/herself in the position of making an arbitrary ruling for a given case. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,249 Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 But that's a huge part of the problem. The unwillingness of principals to use judgement and critical thinking. The other part is having a rule where the suspension is automatic pending a meeting. The suspension start should be at the principal's discretion. This child is now missing a second day of school, missing classroom time and possible tests. It's stupid. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,851 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 But that's a huge part of the problem. The unwillingness of principals to use judgement and critical thinking. The other part is having a rule where the suspension is automatic pending a meeting. The suspension start should be at the principal's discretion. This child is now missing a second day of school, missing classroom time and possible tests. It's stupid. I agree, but if you know you have a provision in the rules for doing the right thing, maybe you just follow the rules. There is certainly no justifiable reason for making them miss any school in the meantime. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 As the parent of a child with a medical condition, I am familiar with rules that pertain to medication at school. I am also aware that sometimes due to human error it is easy to forget to have all the adequate supplies and medication. While I am aware that there must be rules about sharing medication, it's not like an Asthma inhaler is a dangerous drug. Have to wonder where the teacher was when this played out. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan4Auburn 1,626 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 But that's a huge part of the problem. The unwillingness of principals to use judgement and critical thinking. The other part is having a rule where the suspension is automatic pending a meeting. The suspension start should be at the principal's discretion. This child is now missing a second day of school, missing classroom time and possible tests. It's stupid. Not the principals fault. He is following rules set down by the Attorney General of Texas. That is who you need to go after. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,249 Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 But that's a huge part of the problem. The unwillingness of principals to use judgement and critical thinking. The other part is having a rule where the suspension is automatic pending a meeting. The suspension start should be at the principal's discretion. This child is now missing a second day of school, missing classroom time and possible tests. It's stupid. Not the principals fault. He is following rules set down by the Attorney General of Texas. That is who you need to go after. Can you link to that? I'm not finding anything online that points to them being forced to do this by state law. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kd4au 1,145 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I wonder if this would have happened at a private school? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,851 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I wonder if this would have happened at a private school? Of course it could have. Bureaucracies are bureaucracies Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan4Auburn 1,626 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 But that's a huge part of the problem. The unwillingness of principals to use judgement and critical thinking. The other part is having a rule where the suspension is automatic pending a meeting. The suspension start should be at the principal's discretion. This child is now missing a second day of school, missing classroom time and possible tests. It's stupid. Not the principals fault. He is following rules set down by the Attorney General of Texas. That is who you need to go after. Can you link to that? I'm not finding anything online that points to them being forced to do this by state law. Found a older one. Perhaps they have changed it. It was a merger/coop thing with another organization. It won't quote well but in the context it is on page 11 and refers to immediate removal for drugs which include prescription. https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/files/cj/schoolsafety_2007.pdf I remember my sister mentioning it cause they had a kid giving out Aderol to all his friends for exams. The parents of friends were mad cause they didn't want their kids using it, and of course the parents of the kid himself were mad cause he was giving away drugs they paid for. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 12,283 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 But that's a huge part of the problem. The unwillingness of principals to use judgement and critical thinking. The other part is having a rule where the suspension is automatic pending a meeting. The suspension start should be at the principal's discretion. This child is now missing a second day of school, missing classroom time and possible tests. It's stupid. Not the principals fault. He is following rules set down by the Attorney General of Texas. That is who you need to go after. Can you link to that? I'm not finding anything online that points to them being forced to do this by state law. Found a older one. Perhaps they have changed it. It was a merger/coop thing with another organization. It won't quote well but in the context it is on page 11 and refers to immediate removal for drugs which include prescription. https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/files/cj/schoolsafety_2007.pdf I remember my sister mentioning it cause they had a kid giving out Aderol to all his friends for exams. The parents of friends were mad cause they didn't want their kids using it, and of course the parents of the kid himself were mad cause he was giving away drugs they paid for. One distinction. Adderall is amphetamine and has a high potential for abuse. That kid was giving away speed. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBags7277 760 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I wonder if this would have happened at a private school? Very doubtful. Private schools suffer as a result of stupid decisions. Government schools get their tax dollars no matter how ridiculously they're run. They have no financial incentive to care what you think. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,137 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Once you start making exceptions for asthma inhalers, you might as well just start letting the kids bring their own bongs & crack pipes to class. Nope, zero tolerance is the only way to nip it in the bud. You got to nip it, nip it, nip it. It's the only way they will learn. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltigger21 0 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Another prime example of bureaucrats being bureaucrats. I swear that being in a position like that requires that you must be a person who cannot do anything except blindly follow some manual. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM4AU 339 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 No one is getting high off an albuterol inhaler. This is a case where zero tolerance reveals a lack of leadership. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,137 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 No one is getting high off an albuterol inhaler. This is a case where zero tolerance reveals a lack of leadership. No, but it's a gateway device, make no mistake. Once they start using that, they'll naturally fall into using bongs and crack pipes, then become slackers, and sleep around w/ who knows how many other boys AND girls. It's best to nip it in the bud now. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 12,851 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I wonder what the results would be if they let all the parents vote on this rule. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptau 169 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 zero tolerance enforcement is just easier for them. the school district attorney and the federal government is forcing them blindly to enforce this rule. the attorney has warned them they will get sued if they do not constantly enforce the rule. Looking for a civil rights violation. The justice department will want to investigate why some are suspended for sharing some drugs while other students are not for sharing other drugs. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2420968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan4Auburn 1,626 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 But that's a huge part of the problem. The unwillingness of principals to use judgement and critical thinking. The other part is having a rule where the suspension is automatic pending a meeting. The suspension start should be at the principal's discretion. This child is now missing a second day of school, missing classroom time and possible tests. It's stupid. Not the principals fault. He is following rules set down by the Attorney General of Texas. That is who you need to go after. Can you link to that? I'm not finding anything online that points to them being forced to do this by state law. Found a older one. Perhaps they have changed it. It was a merger/coop thing with another organization. It won't quote well but in the context it is on page 11 and refers to immediate removal for drugs which include prescription. https://texasattorne...safety_2007.pdf I remember my sister mentioning it cause they had a kid giving out Aderol to all his friends for exams. The parents of friends were mad cause they didn't want their kids using it, and of course the parents of the kid himself were mad cause he was giving away drugs they paid for. One distinction. Adderall is amphetamine and has a high potential for abuse. That kid was giving away speed. Understand that. The inhaler would still fall under the category of sharing a prescription drug with a student. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149662-public-school-administrators-strike-again/#findComment-2421115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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