Tiger 8,930 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 On ESPN. I thought this was the best place to put it: http://espn.go.com/c...ting-alive-well Thoughts on negative recruiting? How would you negatively recruit each school in the SEC West? There's more than enough material on this site to negatively recruit AU lol Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson SG 88 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 My post is dripping with sarcasm, but here goes: Bammer-Because of the 85%ers, you will be dumber when you leave there LSU-I hope you like corndogs Ole Miss-You will never win a championship, because, well, they're Ole Miss Miss St-If you can't win a championship at Ole Miss, you dang sure won't win one at Miss State Arky-The good news, you get to see Bert's wife on a regular basis. The bad news, you have to see Bert everyday. TAMU-No Manziel, no winning I'm not going to do AU because you cannot possibly say anything negative about AU. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Heck, if I was recruiting for a school, I'd just be ready pass the URL for my rivals message boards to anyone I'm recruiting. 10 minutes on most of these sites would be enough negative recruiting for most kids. Anyone who came here would think Gus only has 1 year unless he wins 10, he's forgotten how to coach offense, we have no quarterbacks, we can't compete with any of our rivals, our AD is a mess, and our stadium sucks and will never get better. On the good side, they'll learn that we have pretty girls and the alumni/fans love their university. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 34,796 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 On ESPN. I thought this was the best place to put it: http://espn.go.com/c...ting-alive-well Thoughts on negative recruiting? How would you negatively recruit each school in the SEC West? There's more than enough material on this site to negatively recruit AU lol I don't believe in it & wouldn't do it. I'd be confident as hell I could sell myself, the school I work for & the academics. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaitopher 807 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--ncaa-to-formally-charge-mississippi-with-rules-violations-193911274.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma I bet schools use this as fodder. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Just one question: To be a good negative recruiter, is necessary to tell the truth or can you just repeat gossip and rumors about the wives and mistresses of opposing coaches? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 34,796 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Just one question: To be a good negative recruiter, is necessary to tell the truth or can you just repeat gossip and rumors about the wives and mistresses of opposing coaches? I'm sure they lie. I know Troop n' Lupe did. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--ncaa-to-formally-charge-mississippi-with-rules-violations-193911274.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma I bet schools use this as fodder. Some people still believe that ole miss has done everything cleanly under Freeze. Hugh Freeze isn't getting his players because he tells them he loves them and sings kumbaya with them. We may be cheating ourselves but it's definitely not near as conspicuous as Ole Miss. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaitopher 807 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--ncaa-to-formally-charge-mississippi-with-rules-violations-193911274.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma I bet schools use this as fodder. Some people still believe that ole miss has done everything cleanly under Freeze. Hugh Freeze isn't getting his players because he tells them he loves them and sings kumbaya with them. We may be cheating ourselves but it's definitely not near as conspicuous as Ole Miss. Agree. I think Ole Miss gets a lot of grace because everyone loves Freeze. I don't believe Freeze was involved with this, but it still doesn't look good for their program. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUApostle 8,191 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 http://sports.yahoo....mail&soc_trk=ma I bet schools use this as fodder. Some people still believe that ole miss has done everything cleanly under Freeze. Hugh Freeze isn't getting his players because he tells them he loves them and sings kumbaya with them.We may be cheating ourselves but it's definitely not near as conspicuous as Ole Miss. Wardamneaglewde certainly believes OM is cheating on a whole other level. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 http://sports.yahoo....mail&soc_trk=ma I bet schools use this as fodder. Some people still believe that ole miss has done everything cleanly under Freeze. Hugh Freeze isn't getting his players because he tells them he loves them and sings kumbaya with them.We may be cheating ourselves but it's definitely not near as conspicuous as Ole Miss. Wardamneaglewde certainly believes OM is cheating on a whole other level. So which is it....OM cheating .....or the REC up to its usual tricks? what are the odds......50:50? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUApostle 8,191 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 http://sports.yahoo....mail&soc_trk=ma I bet schools use this as fodder. Some people still believe that ole miss has done everything cleanly under Freeze. Hugh Freeze isn't getting his players because he tells them he loves them and sings kumbaya with them.We may be cheating ourselves but it's definitely not near as conspicuous as Ole Miss. Wardamneaglewde certainly believes OM is cheating on a whole other level. So which is it....OM cheating .....or the REC up to its usual tricks? what are the odds......50:50? I believe he indicated it was bama and OM that were cheating in ways that could never be found out. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger 8,930 Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 Just one question: To be a good negative recruiter, is necessary to tell the truth or can you just repeat gossip and rumors about the wives and mistresses of opposing coaches? In this scenario, you probably say all of the above and hope a seed of doubt is planted about rival school. Just a guess of course. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 http://sports.yahoo....mail&soc_trk=ma I bet schools use this as fodder. Some people still believe that ole miss has done everything cleanly under Freeze. Hugh Freeze isn't getting his players because he tells them he loves them and sings kumbaya with them.We may be cheating ourselves but it's definitely not near as conspicuous as Ole Miss. Wardamneaglewde certainly believes OM is cheating on a whole other level. So which is it....OM cheating .....or the REC up to its usual tricks? what are the odds......50:50? Well, if the NCAA found something then the cheating is there, but you can bet that the REC brought it to light and greased the wheels to get the NCAA to move on it. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuburnNTexas 7,648 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 If an athlete is interested in aeronautical engineering and your school is one of the best. Would saying something like my school is in the top 10 in the country and the other school you are considering is only in the top 30. Would that be considered negative or is that just telling why your school is the better choice in that field? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuburnNTexas 7,648 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 http://sports.yahoo....mail&soc_trk=ma I bet schools use this as fodder. Some people still believe that ole miss has done everything cleanly under Freeze. Hugh Freeze isn't getting his players because he tells them he loves them and sings kumbaya with them.We may be cheating ourselves but it's definitely not near as conspicuous as Ole Miss. Wardamneaglewde certainly believes OM is cheating on a whole other level. So which is it....OM cheating .....or the REC up to its usual tricks? what are the odds......50:50? Well, if the NCAA found something then the cheating is there, but you can bet that the REC brought it to light and greased the wheels to get the NCAA to move on it. Ole Miss screwed up they beat bama Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 If an athlete is interested in aeronautical engineering and your school is one of the best. Would saying something like my school is in the top 10 in the country and the other school you are considering is only in the top 30. Would that be considered negative or is that just telling why your school is the better choice in that field? That's just stating facts. Now, if the sources of the rankings are not legit... that's negative. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 627 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 If an athlete is interested in aeronautical engineering and your school is one of the best. Would saying something like my school is in the top 10 in the country and the other school you are considering is only in the top 30. Would that be considered negative or is that just telling why your school is the better choice in that field? That's just stating facts. Now, if the sources of the rankings are not legit... that's negative. Well, in the article, Coach X details some practices that would constitute fraud, falsification of data, and other types of unethical conduct if coaches were academics. He details the ways in which the coaches manipulate facts to tell the stories they want to tell. In the example above, for instance, the coach profiled in the story would have no problem cherry picking stats to make his school's aeronautical engineering program look better than it was and the rival's worse than it was. In other words, you might take your school's highest ranking, and the other school's lowest ranking, as ranked by completely different systems. Or you might generate your own stats, saying something like '100% of our aeronautical engineering graduates get jobs making at least six figures' even if that meant limiting it to one particular year and counting their salaries 10 years down the road (everyone from 1986 got hired, and they all had 6 figure salaries before they retired). You just leave out the details of how you come up with your numbers. They do it with depth charts, too. You say, look at ours, and show only the Juniors and Seniors; you say, look at theirs, and show everyone, including walkons and commits. That's not negative recruiting, in my book -- that's flat-out lying and completely unethical. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheartkc 6,150 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 If an athlete is interested in aeronautical engineering and your school is one of the best. Would saying something like my school is in the top 10 in the country and the other school you are considering is only in the top 30. Would that be considered negative or is that just telling why your school is the better choice in that field? That's just stating facts. Now, if the sources of the rankings are not legit... that's negative. Well, in the article, Coach X details some practices that would constitute fraud, falsification of data, and other types of unethical conduct if coaches were academics. He details the ways in which the coaches manipulate facts to tell the stories they want to tell. In the example above, for instance, the coach profiled in the story would have no problem cherry picking stats to make his school's aeronautical engineering program look better than it was and the rival's worse than it was. In other words, you might take your school's highest ranking, and the other school's lowest ranking, as ranked by completely different systems. Or you might generate your own stats, saying something like '100% of our aeronautical engineering graduates get jobs making at least six figures' even if that meant limiting it to one particular year and counting their salaries 10 years down the road (everyone from 1986 got hired, and they all had 6 figure salaries before they retired). You just leave out the details of how you come up with your numbers. They do it with depth charts, too. You say, look at ours, and show only the Juniors and Seniors; you say, look at theirs, and show everyone, including walkons and commits. That's not negative recruiting, in my book -- that's flat-out lying and completely unethical. Agree 100%... it's also a great way to get elected to political office or named the CEO of a company. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikesEagle 176 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 On ESPN. I thought this was the best place to put it: http://espn.go.com/c...ting-alive-well Thoughts on negative recruiting? How would you negatively recruit each school in the SEC West? There's more than enough material on this site to negatively recruit AU lol I don't believe in it & wouldn't do it. I'd be confident as hell I could sell myself, the school I work for & the academics. Agree with you 100% E. Recruiting can be like politics when it comes the smear campaigns. Tell me what you will do for me not what others want. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
augolf1716 22,489 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 It's like Sunday school now compared to bear doing negative recruiting back in the day. Trust me Auburn was no saint cause they did the same thing. Stories I could tell Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc4aday 1,887 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 It does not surprise me that Ole Miss is fixing to get slammed by the NCAA. I wonder to what degree this is going to hurt their program. My guess is as follows: 1. Loss of X number of scholarships (my guess would be 8-12) 2. Loss of bowl game participation for 2 years. If I am wrong, please let me know. Most know that I do not like Ole Miss in any shape form or whatever. They did some bad stuff particularly the loaner car with no cost to the player. You would think that schools would do whatever they need to do to make sure this does not happen. Unfortunately, far too much of this goes on that never gets caught. I think that the NCAA should open an office in Tuscaloosa loaded for bear! It does not surprise me that Ole Miss is fixing to get slammed by the NCAA. I wonder to what degree this is going to hurt their program. My guess is as follows: 1. Loss of X number of scholarships (my guess would be 8-12) 2. Loss of bowl game participation for 2 years. If I am wrong, please let me know. Most know that I do not like Ole Miss in any shape form or whatever. They did some bad stuff particularly the loaner car with no cost to the player. You would think that schools would do whatever they need to do to make sure this does not happen. Unfortunately, far too much of this goes on that never gets caught. I think that the NCAA should open an office in Tuscaloosa loaded for bear! Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 34,796 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 It does not surprise me that Ole Miss is fixing to get slammed by the NCAA. I wonder to what degree this is going to hurt their program. My guess is as follows: 1. Loss of X number of scholarships (my guess would be 8-12) 2. Loss of bowl game participation for 2 years. Very little impact. The football issues are w/ Tunsil & were already dealt w/ via his 7 game suspension. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2428816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU Counsel 64 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 It does not surprise me that Ole Miss is fixing to get slammed by the NCAA. I wonder to what degree this is going to hurt their program. My guess is as follows: 1. Loss of X number of scholarships (my guess would be 8-12) 2. Loss of bowl game participation for 2 years. Very little impact. The football issues are w/ Tunsil & were already dealt w/ via his 7 game suspension. 8 scholarships over 4 years or 9 scholarships over 3 years is not insignificant, but I believe that plus probation is all they are really going to see you. I think E is right about the Tunsil situation, and a lot of this stuff is pretty old. I think the accusations of Ole Miss being dirty are overblown, as I don't think they are really any dirtier than the vast majority of the rest of the conference. Loaner cars...minor, compared to cush jobs, discounted rental housing, and the other sort of benefits UAT used for Trent, Julio, etc. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2429105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randman5000 4,462 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Surprise, Apparently our facilities are being used against us. Hence the big push to renovate..well one of the reasons Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/149870-negative-recruiting-interesting-read/#findComment-2429204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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