Speaking of "Christian" businesses....

[homersapien 10,948]

Hobby Lobby is deliberately smuggling Iraqi artifacts to stock their "bible museum".

Such a fine Christian example.  

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/hobby-lobby-trouble-importing-artifacts/

[ArgoEagle 1,594]

If this is true, the name of the thread should be changed to 1 corrupt Christian business. You can't lump all Christian businesses into this group b/c of the transgressions of 1 single business. If Hobby Lobby actually did this, then they need to be held accountable for their own actions.

[AU64 10,122]

17 minutes ago, ArgoEagle said:

If this is true, the name of the thread should be changed to 1 corrupt Christian business. You can't lump all Christian businesses into this group b/c of the transgressions of 1 single business. If Hobby Lobby actually did this, then they need to be held accountable for their own actions.

"Lump all".?.......Sure they can...standard behavior from the left from what I see...

[ArgoEagle 1,594]

11 minutes ago, AU64 said:

"Lump all".?.......Sure they can...standard behavior from the left from what I see...

And you have to consider the source of the thread.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

And standard behavior from the right is to NOT think outside the box. Groups like ISIS  profit from looting and selling artifacts to the dealers who sell them to the west. While the dates that HL bought illegal artifacts predates ISIS, had they not engaged in this activity the black market would dry up. 

[homersapien 10,948]

27 minutes ago, AU64 said:

"Lump all".?.......Sure they can...standard behavior from the left from what I see...

I said nothing about "all" so ya'll can stop your weasel lying any time now.

I was referring to the other recent thread about Chik Filet.  Clearly those two qualify.

How many other large companies qualify, I wouldn't know.  Maybe you can enlighten me.

 

[homersapien 10,948]

18 minutes ago, ArgoEagle said:

And you have to consider the source of the thread.

PBS News Hour?

That's my preferred source but there are plenty others to choose from.  Just search Hobby Lobby and illegal artifacts.

Oh and I love the original defense they made - that they were just "inexperienced" in the regulations governing imports even though that's the essence of their business.

If you read or listen to the piece, they were very deliberate in how they did this. Are you really going to defend thieves because they are self-professed "Christians"?

[ArgoEagle 1,594]

17 minutes ago, homersapien said:

PBS News Hour?

That's my preferred source but there are plenty others to choose from.  Just search Hobby Lobby and illegal artifacts.

Oh and I love the original defense they made - that they were just "inexperienced" in the regulations governing imports even though that's the essence of their business.

If you read or listen to the piece, they were very deliberate in how they did this. Are you really going to defend thieves because they are self-professed "Christians"?

First, I meant you as the source. Second, when I said HL should be responsible for their own actions, how is that a lie? And how is that defending them? Also, I hope you don't think you have everybody fooled on these forums. You are going to attack Christians every chance you get in  a sly, sarcastic, non-malicious way.

[Mims44 1,641]

3 hours ago, ArgoEagle said:

If this is true, the name of the thread should be changed to 1 corrupt Christian business. You can't lump all Christian businesses into this group b/c of the transgressions of 1 single business. If Hobby Lobby actually did this, then they need to be held accountable for their own actions.

1: It's Homer... c'mon man.

2: it's smack talk forum... c'mon man

3: everyone already knows hobby lobby represents all of Christianity... C'MON MAN!!!!

[Mims44 1,641]

2 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

And standard behavior from the right is to NOT think outside the box. Groups like ISIS  profit from looting and selling artifacts to the dealers who sell them to the west. While the dates that HL bought illegal artifacts predates ISIS, had they not engaged in this activity the black market would dry up. 

Boom!

And the Elle counter punch is deadly.

[TitanTiger 18,916]

6 hours ago, homersapien said:

Hobby Lobby is deliberately smuggling Iraqi artifacts to stock their "bible museum".

Such a fine Christian example.  

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/hobby-lobby-trouble-importing-artifacts/

Clearly Hobby Lobby didn't handle this right...whether intentionally or clumsily due to lack of experience.  But your characterization of it seems rather harsh given the known facts.  Even PBS and the interviewee acknowledge this in the link:

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WILLIAM BRANGHAM: I mean, Hobby Lobby is certainly not the first organization or institution to sort of trip this particular wire. I mean, major cultural institutions in the United States in the past have had similar problems. I mean, this is — it’s not an uncommon problem.

DEBORAH LEHR: Well, it’s not an uncommon problem, but we haven’t seen a find quite this large, and that it’s very hard to bring about these kinds of cases, though we commend the United States government and certainly ICE for the seizures that they’re making. But the trade in antiquities and the list of antiquities is a global problem, and we’re seeing it on the increase as we see conflict in the Middle East and — where there are millions of sites still yet to be excavated. It’s very much just an endless, almost excavation that’s out there for thieves to take advantage of.

 

 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

 

[augolf1716 20,282]

well ok

[SaltyTiger 7,359]

Pretty sure that the "rest of the story" is available on this. Sounds like some mistakes made. Obvious from a few post, that one of our AUF pals is on rant about Christians today. This will come to pass.

[homersapien 10,948]

7 hours ago, ArgoEagle said:

First, I meant you as the source. Second, when I said HL should be responsible for their own actions, how is that a lie? And how is that defending them? Also, I hope you don't think you have everybody fooled on these forums. You are going to attack Christians every chance you get in  a sly, sarcastic, non-malicious way.

You don't think this is newsworthy? 

And I am confused.  I didn't call you a liar.

I said portraying me as the issue - or implying I am making generalized statements about "Christian businesses" in general, is a lie. Nothing I said even implies that. 

The fact it's assumed when my prose in no way supports it, makes it "weasel lying".   So, if the shoe fits, wear it.

And people make fun of me for accusing people of not reading carefully enough.  

 

[homersapien 10,948]

7 hours ago, ArgoEagle said:

First, I meant you as the source. Second, when I said HL should be responsible for their own actions, how is that a lie? And how is that defending them? Also, I hope you don't think you have everybody fooled on these forums. You are going to attack Christians every chance you get in  a sly, sarcastic, non-malicious way.

Actually, my greatest nemisis on this forum was a self-described Athiest.  

Trust me, I an equal opportunity to attack "vulnerable" arguments on this forum.  (I am trying to be diplomatic here.)

[homersapien 10,948]

5 hours ago, Mims44 said:

1: It's Homer... c'mon man.

I trust you meant my grammar and syntax are beyond reproach.  

[homersapien 10,948]

4 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

Clearly Hobby Lobby didn't handle this right...whether intentionally or clumsily due to lack of experience.  But your characterization of it seems rather harsh given the known facts.  Even PBS and the interviewee acknowledge this in the link:

 

I think the facts make it pretty obvious they acted deliberately:

DEBORAH LEHR: Absolutely. First, Hobby Lobby is a sophisticated importer and they know very well that you have to designate the country of origin and the appropriate tariff line when bringing these into the country. This was not done. These items, instead of being declared as antiquities, were declared as clay tiles or samples.

They were not noted that they were coming from Iraq but, instead, that they were coming from turkey, and it’s no mistake that we have an agreement with Iraq that if they were being brought in and declared coming from Iraq, they would have to get an appropriate permit. Yet, we don’t have a similar type of agreement with Turkey.

They’re also coming from a part of the world where conflict antiquities are being actually excavated by groups like Daesh or ISIS, and knowingly being exported and used as a means for funding terrorism. And so, there are quite a few red flags that they should have known, and at a minimum they should have done provenance research, which they didn’t do. What they actually paid five individuals through seven different accounts and, as I said, then, shipped these in different packets, which might be understandable, but to several different locations in the United States and without the appropriate or accurate shipping records.

  

I think the PBS reporter was going out of his way to be even-handed.  And being compared to cut-throat museums is no compliment.

Not sure, but I think I heard they were going to be asked to provide provenance for the rest of their collection. This may not be over.

[homersapien 10,948]

1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said:

Pretty sure that the "rest of the story" is available on this. Sounds like some mistakes made. Obvious from a few post, that one of our AUF pals is on rant about Christians today. This will come to pass.

If you are talking about me, then you should say it directly.   

[SaltyTiger 7,359]

21 hours ago, homersapien said:

If you are talking about me, then you should say it directly.   

Homer, my Auburn Brother, i would never............................................

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