Why A Potential Mike Pence Presidential Run Should Terrify Women

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http://www.mediaite.com/online/a-potential-mike-pence-presidential-run-should-terrify-women/

 

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Over the weekend, reports began to circulate that Vice President Mike Pence has been meeting with numerous wealthy donors. Pence and his wife have reportedly met with Chicago hedge fund manager Kenneth C. Griffin, brokerage firm founder Charles Schwab, and other Republican fund-raisers from Dow Chemical and the military contractor United Technologies. This follows follows news from last month that Pence had formally established his own political action committee.

Does any of this definitively prove that Mike Pence is going to run for president come 2020? No, not necessarily — but the fact that Pence appears to be preparing for even the remote possibility of a potential presidential run should terrify American women nonetheless. If you think what we’re getting from alleged sexual abuser Donald Trump — attacks on Planned Parenthood, sexist remarks to female reporters and politicians, the works — is annoying and dangerous, just take a moment to imagine what Pence has in store.

We all know the man is a raging sexist. His refusal to dine alone with women who aren’t his wife (because, you know, all women are inherently conniving temptresses) should have made that plenty clear.

But when men like Mike Pence are given political power to spew out horrifying anti-woman policies, that’s when casual sexism crosses the line from irritating to dangerous.

Not even touching yet on Pence’s terrifying and draconian take on reproductive rights, there’s his awful record on equal pay. In a 1997 op-ed entitled, “Day-care kids,” Pence blamed working mothers for “stunting” their children’s “emotional development,” and opted to shame and blame them rather that suggest real and compassionate solutions like paid family leave. Predictably enough, while in Congress, Pence voted not once but three times against legislation to promote equal pay.

To Pence, women belong at home and in the kitchen, and in addition to his opposition to equal pay, his record on abortion rights and Planned Parenthood also makes this abundantly clear. After all, what other options do women have without affordable access to birth control and abortion?

As Governor of Indiana, Pence led a crusade against abortion rights, widely reported on by Mother Jones last year, signing off on legislation that would require women to pay costly, out-of-pocket fees for the burial or cremation of aborted fetuses, as well as a law that would hold doctors liable for wrongful death if they performed an abortion ecause of the race, gender, or disability of the fetus. The very “pro-life” Pence has also transferred funding meant for low-income families to Christian crisis pregnancy centers that operate solely to lie to and emotionally manipulate vulnerable pregnant women.

And to top it all off, by 2014, under Gov. Pence, state funding for Planned Parenthood in Indiana had been cut nearly in half from 2005 levels, unsurprisingly yielding HIV outbreaks and slashing low-income women’s access to crucial health care services. The Pence-led war on Planned Parenthood was likely a response to the fact that some clinics, without federal funding, offer abortion services; ironically, by denying thousands of women access to birth control and sexual education, Pence very well could have contributed to higher abortion rates.

Pence’s reign of terror over Indiana allows voters a glimpse of what he would do as president. And for American women, it’s less a “glimpse” than it is an utter nightmare.

 

 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

As a woman, there isn't any Republican that doesn't frighten me. 

[SaltyTiger 7,341]

3 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

As a woman, there isn't any Republican that doesn't frighten me. 

Elle, you can always move to North Korea or Iran. No Republicans there.

[Mims44 1,639]

1 hour ago, GiveEmElle said:

As a woman, there isn't any Republican that doesn't frighten me. 

Oh noes!!!!

republicans!!! How scary!!!

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

8 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Elle, you can always move to North Korea or Iran. No Republicans there.

Nevertheless she persisted. 

[TexasTiger 11,612]

8 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Elle, you can always move to North Korea or Iran. No Republicans there.

Just likeminded leaders.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

8 hours ago, Mims44 said:

Oh noes!!!!

republicans!!! How scary!!!

The difference between sarcasm and smart ass is that sarcasm contains intellectual thought. You are merely a smart ass. 

[Mims44 1,639]

2 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

The difference between sarcasm and smart ass is that sarcasm contains intellectual thought. You are merely a smart ass. 

Was going for mockery, not sarcasm.

btw, what a misnomer "smart ass" is... nothing about my previous post was smart

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

49 minutes ago, Mims44 said:

Was going for mockery, not sarcasm.

btw, what a misnomer "smart ass" is... nothing about my previous post was smart

My bad. Dumb ass then. 

[Mims44 1,639]

1 hour ago, GiveEmElle said:

My bad. Dumb ass then. 

Nah, dumb asses are people who blindly love, hate, champion, or fear others based simply on whether there is a (R) or (D) by their name.

[SaltyTiger 7,341]

4 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

The difference between sarcasm and smart ass is that sarcasm contains intellectual thought. You are merely a smart ass. 

 

1 hour ago, GiveEmElle said:

My bad. Dumb ass then. 

Hear you Elle. On top of your game these days. good stuff again.

As a man, you frighten me. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

39 minutes ago, Mims44 said:

Nah, dumb asses are people who blindly love, hate, champion, or fear others based simply on whether there is a (R) or (D) by their name.

It simply isn't the R by the name. It's what that R represents, like defunding PP that provides women with healthcare, or telling a woman what she can and cannot do with her body, or voting against the Viollencd Against Women Act, or ignoring gender pay inequalities, or saying things like "legitimate rape", etc. 

[TitanTiger 18,841]

This reads like a leftie version of Breitbart.  Alarmism generates page views I guess.

 

19 hours ago, Auburn85 said:

We all know the man is a raging sexist. His refusal to dine alone with women who aren’t his wife (because, you know, all women are inherently conniving temptresses) should have made that plenty clear.

This is horse***t.

One can disagree with Pence's views and his personal rules.  But while he may be overcautious, this isn't being sexist.  It's not even a rule that only men employ.  I know plenty of married women who have a general rule about dining alone with men who aren't their husband.  They might make an occasional exception depending on specific circumstances, but they normally would not.  Alarmist hyperbole.

 

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But when men like Mike Pence are given political power to spew out horrifying anti-woman policies, that’s when casual sexism crosses the line from irritating to dangerous.

Not even touching yet on Pence’s terrifying and draconian take on reproductive rights, there’s his awful record on equal pay. In a 1997 op-ed entitled, “Day-care kids,” Pence blamed working mothers for “stunting” their children’s “emotional development,” and opted to shame and blame them rather that suggest real and compassionate solutions like paid family leave.

Except that's not what he said or did.  Disagree with his conclusions if you wish, but reading that link, he did not blame mothers and he was suggesting policies that (he believed) would allow more families to have a parent (note, he didn't limit it to just mom) stay home and not have to work.  Alarmist word twisting.

 

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Predictably enough, while in Congress, Pence voted not once but three times against legislation to promote equal pay.

Here’s a radical notion: It is simultaneously possible to believe that women are entitled to equal pay and to not support the Paycheck Fairness Act.

These things tend to be a little more complicated when you're discussing support for a specific bill vs support for an idea in general.

 

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To Pence, women belong at home and in the kitchen, and in addition to his opposition to equal pay, his record on abortion rights and Planned Parenthood also makes this abundantly clear. After all, what other options do women have without affordable access to birth control and abortion?

As Governor of Indiana, Pence led a crusade against abortion rights, widely reported on by Mother Jones last year, signing off on legislation that would require women to pay costly, out-of-pocket fees for the burial or cremation of aborted fetuses,

Snopes rates this claim "mostly false."

 

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as well as a law that would hold doctors liable for wrongful death if they performed an abortion because of the race, gender, or disability of the fetus. The very “pro-life” Pence has also transferred funding meant for low-income families to Christian crisis pregnancy centers that operate solely to lie to and emotionally manipulate vulnerable pregnant women.

Aside from the inflammatory language "operate soley to lie and emotionally manipulate...," this is again misleading.  First of all, states have some latitude on how to spend TANF funds.  Indiana got $206.7 million in TANF funds to help low income people.  The vast majority of those funds go to things like food, clothing and shelter assistance.  But they can also be used for services or programs to help poor people rather than material goods.  Indiana one year allowed for about 1.7% of that money to go to crisis pregnancy centers which encourage women to seek alternatives to abortion and provide help for mothers who do choose to go through with the pregnancy, either through adoption services or material and medical assistance to the mother and child.  

Again, disagree with him on whether you think that strategy will work.  But don't act like this is the end of days and don't act like you'd be getting the vapors over less than 2% of $206 million going to services rather than things like food, clothing and shelter if a liberal governor had diverted $3.5 million to classes on sex education and birth control.  So the issue is not a matter of not using the money for material goods, but really a disagreement over strategy and philosophy.  It's disingenuous alarmism.

 

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And to top it all off, by 2014, under Gov. Pence, state funding for Planned Parenthood in Indiana had been cut nearly in half from 2005 levels, unsurprisingly yielding HIV outbreaks and slashing low-income women’s access to crucial health care services. The Pence-led war on Planned Parenthood was likely a response to the fact that some clinics, without federal funding, offer abortion services; ironically, by denying thousands of women access to birth control and sexual education, Pence very well could have contributed to higher abortion rates.

Pence’s reign of terror over Indiana allows voters a glimpse of what he would do as president. And for American women, it’s less a “glimpse” than it is an utter nightmare.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/a-potential-mike-pence-presidential-run-should-terrify-women/

No real citations here, just opinions and accusations.  "Reign of terror" takes the cake though.  It's a mirror image of the right's silliest freakouts over Obama.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

35 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

 

Hear you Elle. On top of your game these days. good stuff again.

As a man, you frighten me. 

Your misplaced modifier implies that I'm a man. I can say with utmost certainty that I'm not. 

Thank you again Salty. 

[SaltyTiger 7,341]

9 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

Your misplaced modifier implies that I'm a man. I can say with utmost certainty that I'm not. 

Thank you again Salty. 

another bad grade huh? sorry Elle

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

21 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

another bad grade huh? sorry Elle

No worries. 

[aubearcat 2,113]

It's ironic when pro-abortionist speak about politicians trying to regulate a woman's body but there is total disregard for the body of the baby. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

19 minutes ago, aubearcat said:

It's ironic when pro-abortionist speak about politicians trying to regulate a woman's body but there is total disregard for the body of the baby. 

Those politicians that try and regulate a woman's body and scream about the sanctity of life don't give one damn about a child outside the womb. They are pro life from conception to birth. They'll take away food for children, fight against pay raises and raise taxes, and send young people to war. 

[aubearcat 2,113]

1 hour ago, GiveEmElle said:

Those politicians that try and regulate a woman's body and scream about the sanctity of life don't give one damn about a child outside the womb. They are pro life from conception to birth. They'll take away food for children, fight against pay raises and raise taxes, and send young people to war. 

Friend my family and I try to donate to women and life centers that provide pre and post natal care for the mom and baby. Most of those are staffed by volunteer nurses and doctors who share a pro-life philosophy. I agree there should be more done to support mom and baby pre and post birth but murder is not an option I can subscribe to. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

3 minutes ago, aubearcat said:

Friend my family and I try to donate to women and life centers that provide pre and post natal care for the mom and baby. Most of those are staffed by volunteer nurses and doctors who share a pro-life philosophy. I agree there should be more done to support mom and baby pre and post birth but murder is not an option I can subscribe to. 

I'm sure there are many people who are pro-life that work to help mothers and children. BUT the politicians don't. The pro life politicians are also pro gun and pro war. Sanctity of life? I don't see it. 

[aubearcat 2,113]

3 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

I'm sure there are many people who are pro-life that work to help mothers and children. BUT the politicians don't. The pro life politicians are also pro gun and pro war. Sanctity of life? I don't see it. 

I agree, we as a society need to do more to promote and protect life and not use it as a talking point. 

[homersapien 10,932]

2 hours ago, aubearcat said:

It's ironic when pro-abortionist speak about politicians trying to regulate a woman's body but there is total disregard for the body of the baby. 

"pro abortionists"?    

[DKW 86 7,172]

1) Dont like Pence at all. My Impression of him is definitely whackadoodle Conservative.

2) The OP Article is just WND, Breitbart, Mediaite Bovine Excrement. Titan is absolutely correct above. 

3) Abortion is just too Third Rail for many. We support food, care, education of children and mothers over and above anything the government does. I am as Prolife as it gets.

4) Myopic Liberal Friends TALK about supporting equal pay, only they never do make it to actually supporting people that actually DO equal pay.

       A ) Pelosi shafting her own female employees.

       B ) Hillary shafting her own female employees to the tune of $81K/Year

Please spare the rest of the world your faux outrage about gender equality when you support crap heads that just pay lip service to it. At some point YOU are part of the problem supporting crap heads that talk about ending it yet keep right on screwing women over year after year after year...

I quit assuming you have any intellectual weight when you demonstrably live in outdated stereotypes...

[aubearcat 2,113]

10 hours ago, homersapien said:

"pro abortionists"?    

Yes sir. Pro-lifers many times are labeled "anti-choice". So it seems if one is "pro-choice ", they are pro-abortionists. It's really a play on words which is what discussion/debate has become as opposed to a real exchange of ideas.