Ex-Bama QB Opines

[RunInRed 14,923]

"I knew I didn't want to be a part of that anymore ... "

 

[McLoofus 35,182]

Saw this earlier. My inner McPetty wanted it to be a lot more damning than it was. 

[RunInRed 14,923]

24 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Saw this earlier. My inner McPetty wanted it to be a lot more damning than it was. 

I hear ya

[AU64 10,122]

26 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Saw this earlier. My inner McPetty wanted it to be a lot more damning than it was. 

Coach not leveling with a young player...who would have thought that possible...   

Interesting commentary and confirms why so many kids don't want to get head to head with other top QB  prospects.    Bama has had a recruiting mystique for a while and is able to bring in guys who apparently can't read the writing on the wall....which basically says....only one QB is going to see any serious playing time unless someone gets hurt.  Guess none of those guys saw Hurts as the dangerous rival..

So now we are pursuing two top 5 QBs  in addition to a solid commit.   Both prospects seem interested and apparently like AU.....but the odds are that only one will come here....and who can blame the one who goes elsewhere?    

[lionheartkc 6,150]

Pretty slimy of Saban to tell a kid he's the man and specifically single out the guy who you turnover the keys to as no threat, then not give him more than 2 possessions to be the man. Even worse to tell the other kid he's the back-up and never give him a real shot at all. Seems odd, since you wouldn't expect Saban to have any trouble at all telling a kid that he's still competing for the job. I can't think of a reason to lie, unless he knew that he would jump ship if he wasn't the starter and was hoping to lock him in.

The saddest thing is that Hurts is the guy they lost their job to. I mean he's decent and all, but he's far from a rockstar make or break QB. I guess having a running QB with an O-Line that can hold at will is an advantage... just ask LSU.

[AU80cruiser 1,074]

Just more negative recruiting material we could be using.

[augolf1716 20,164]

7 hours ago, AU80cruiser said:

Just more negative recruiting material we could be using.

We do very little negative recruiting 

[AUld fAUx@ 2,584]

8 hours ago, AU80cruiser said:

Just more negative recruiting material we could be using.

 

49 minutes ago, augolf1716 said:

We do very little negative recruiting 

TBH, kind'a like that about us.

[oracle79 3,569]

It ain't negative if it's true.  It's just emphasizing relevant facts recruits need to consider to make a decision in their best interests.  That's actually positive recruiting because you're looking out for the recruit's best interest.

[eibua12 81]

Well Saban got upset because he quit the team and transferred after 4 games.  If they were lied to he needs to suck it up.  I am a firm believer of sticking things out , but you were lied to by management and not given a fair shake why stick it out?  Move on do what is right for you.  This isn't entitlement this is making a decision you should be put in a position because management sucks (I have been there done that and "stuck" it out, ever time to my detriment). In the end he might be a back-up just not a championship caliber team.

Some people ask about the recruiting draw, high probability of winning championships is a tremendous draw.  Learning from what is perceived as high caliber coaching is even more of a draw and build a world of possibilities.  

I will be interested to see if either of them ever see the field again.  

[keesler 5,811]

It was a dirty thing to do to lead those guys on like he did and then trash one of them when he bolts mid-season, not professional at all on NS's part.  What's wrong with publicly wishing them the best in their future and keeping your personal opinions to yourself?  

Relative to the quality and production of both QB's.....they had their shot and they let a 17 yr old green horn kid who'd only been on campus a few months come in and beat them for the starting role.  What head coach coming off a championship season puts his trust in a totally inexperienced QB and lets him lead his offense?

The kid turned out to be the SEC offensive POY as a true-freshman with a 14-1 record.  In hindsight it looks like the decision to go with Hurts was the correct choice, but it was a highly unusual strategy.

 

 

[Randman5000 3,964]

On 8/8/2017 at 0:33 PM, lionheartkc said:

Pretty slimy of Saban to tell a kid he's the man and specifically single out the guy who you turnover the keys to as no threat, then not give him more than 2 possessions to be the man. Even worse to tell the other kid he's the back-up and never give him a real shot at all. Seems odd, since you wouldn't expect Saban to have any trouble at all telling a kid that he's still competing for the job. I can't think of a reason to lie, unless he knew that he would jump ship if he wasn't the starter and was hoping to lock him in.

The saddest thing is that Hurts is the guy they lost their job to. I mean he's decent and all, but he's far from a rockstar make or break QB. I guess having a running QB with an O-Line that can hold at will is an advantage... just ask LSU.

Maybe, but Hurts would have given them another championship if not for a final Clemson drive to snatch it.

I really don't get the Saban bashing from these kids, I mean what did they expect? It's freaking Nick Saban. I wish more of these stories would come out. He's done this to about four or five QBs. 

[lionheartkc 6,150]

Just now, Randman5000 said:

Maybe, but Hurts would have given them another championship if not for a final Clemson drive to snatch it.

See... I totally disagree with that statement.  bama's D, and the 77 points THEY scored was the reason they were where they were last year. Hurts had a 2:3 turnover to touchdown ratio.  He had the same fumble and fumbles lost numbers in one year as AJ McCarron had in his whole career and the most total fumbles of anyone in Saban's tenure... again... in a single year while everyone else played multiple years. The kid may be better this year, who knows, but A LOT of bama fans were prepared for a freshman to take the starting job from him, this year, while the media was fawning all over him because... well... bama.

14 minutes ago, Randman5000 said:

I wish more of these stories would come out.

Never going to happen.  There are far too many bama grads in sports media. The occasional story breaks from parts unknown and it slowly fades into obscurity as they prevent it from gaining legs. 

[Randman5000 3,964]

17 hours ago, lionheartkc said:

See... I totally disagree with that statement.  bama's D, and the 77 points THEY scored was the reason they were where they were last year. Hurts had a 2:3 turnover to touchdown ratio.  He had the same fumble and fumbles lost numbers in one year as AJ McCarron had in his whole career and the most total fumbles of anyone in Saban's tenure... again... in a single year while everyone else played multiple years. The kid may be better this year, who knows, but A LOT of bama fans were prepared for a freshman to take the starting job from him, this year, while the media was fawning all over him because... well... bama.

Never going to happen.  There are far too many bama grads in sports media. The occasional story breaks from parts unknown and it slowly fades into obscurity as they prevent it from gaining legs. 

He made the scramble to score the go ahead td. He didn't have the stats but he made a huge play to put them on the brink

[lionheartkc 6,150]

1 hour ago, Randman5000 said:

He made the scramble to score the go ahead td. He didn't have the stats but he made a huge play to put them on the brink

I wouldn't know, I didn't watch the game, but to paraphrase what they always say about bad calls... one good play does not tell the whole story of a game. What else got them to the point that the one big play made a difference?

[Gowebb11 8,675]

On 8/9/2017 at 11:54 PM, oracle79 said:

It ain't negative if it's true.  It's just emphasizing relevant facts recruits need to consider to make a decision in their best interests.  That's actually positive recruiting because you're looking out for the recruit's best interest.

Very sound logic, but so far Bateman and Barnett are scheduled to be backups at Utah and Arizona St respectively. The freshman Saban went with came within 1 second of a national championship, so this will be spun as a positive for his judgement of talent. I just hope AU has a monster year and starts recruiting at an elite level. 

[Tigerbelle 5,299]

On 8/11/2017 at 0:49 PM, Gowebb11 said:

Very sound logic, but so far Bateman and Barnett are scheduled to be backups at Utah and Arizona St respectively. The freshman Saban went with came within 1 second of a national championship, so this will be spun as a positive for his judgement of talent. I just hope AU has a monster year and starts recruiting at an elite level. 

How much of their placement in line has to do with learning a new offense and getting some development?

[Gowebb11 8,675]

1 hour ago, Tigerbelle said:

How much of their placement in line has to do with learning a new offense and getting some development?

My understanding of The OPs post was that the transfer of QBs from Bama could be used as a negative against them. My position is that if they had both transferred into starting roles  maybe that's the case. It would look like you could be wrongly evaluated at QB at UA. But the fact they both are in backup roles with lesser teams makes it difficult to use Bama's judgement against them. Both QBs may earn starting roles this season or next and have monster years, but for now it would be tough to do negative recruiting against the situation, at least right now. 

[AuburnTiger4Life 2,225]

Kinda OT but didn't feel like starting a new thread and it's probably nothing but Bama RB Bo Scarborough was completely absent from practice today along with two others. They could be dealing with injuries but it's weird they wouldn't show up to watch. 

[Slammer1 409]

On 8/10/2017 at 9:28 AM, keesler said:

It was a dirty thing to do to lead those guys on like he did and then trash one of them when he bolts mid-season, not professional at all on NS's part.  What's wrong with publicly wishing them the best in their future and keeping your personal opinions to yourself?  

Relative to the quality and production of both QB's.....they had their shot and they let a 17 yr old green horn kid who'd only been on campus a few months come in and beat them for the starting role.  What head coach coming off a championship season puts his trust in a totally inexperienced QB and lets him lead his offense?

The kid turned out to be the SEC offensive POY as a true-freshman with a 14-1 record.  In hindsight it looks like the decision to go with Hurts was the correct choice, but it was a highly unusual strategy.

 

 

"What's wrong with publicly wishing them the best in their future and keeping your personal opinions to yourself?"  You are exactly right keesler, but what you suggest takes honesty and class both of which saban has none of. I will be so glad when he gets out of college football. I think it was Tigerbelle that said he  and the REC are ruining college football which I totally agree!!. However as long as Mark Emmeret is head of the NCAA I don't see an end to it until one of them goes away.

[API 95]

Saban lied to Cory Grant as well.  Told him he would play offense, switched him to DB, and when Cory tried to leave, asked him to stay and give DB a shot for at least one season.

Some of these kids know exactly what's going on, some of them think it won't happen to them, and some of them are unsophisticated enough to discern the difference.  Nobody is going to look out for your own interests as much as you do.  I think that Hurts turned out to be the better player is really besides the point.  It's how the other guys were treated is the real story.  Queue the Steely Dan album.