Trump Probably Made Up That ‘Fire And Fury’ Quote On His Own

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-fire-and-fury_us_598b2fa8e4b0d793738c0859?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

“Don’t read too much into it.”

President Donald Trump threatened North Korea Tuesday with “fire and fury like the world has never seen,” a line he likely came up with on his own, according to reports.

Reporters from The New York Times, Politico and The Washington Post all spoke to White House sources who advised not to “read too much into” Trump’s comments, which were “absolutely” Trump’s words and not those of his new chief of staff, Gen. John Kelly.

 

 

[homersapien 10,932]

Meanwhile, 

Tillerson Scrambles To Defuse North Korea Tension As Trump Brags About U.S. Nuclear Power

The secretary of state said he doesn’t believe there’s “any imminent threat.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rex-tillerson-north-korea_us_598aefdee4b0a66b8baff2e6?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

[homersapien 10,932]

And,

World Leaders Call For Calm After Trump Threatens North Korea With ‘Fire And Fury’

As Washington and Pyongyang trade escalating threats, global powers urge diplomacy to ease fears of a nuclear conflict.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-korea-donald-trump-nuclear-threats_us_598b0974e4b0449ed506e0f6?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

 

 

[homersapien 10,932]

But never fear,

Donald Trump Has ‘Made The World Safer’, Stephen Miller Claims, Despite Extraordinary Threat To North Korea

If this is what safe feels like...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-stephen-miller-nigel-farage-lbc_uk_598b40cce4b0d793738c1e6d?

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

Remember the time Trump couldn't answer a question about the nuclear triad? 

[RunInRed 15,046]

Quote

Trump’s Nuclear Weapons Arsenal Isn’t Any Different Than Obama’s

President Donald Trump says the U.S. nuclear arsenal has been beefed up since he took office in January. Not quite.

As the world digested the president’s remarks on Tuesday threatening to unleash “fire and fury” on North Korea, Trump said in a tweet Wednesday, “My first order as President was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before... ”

Nuclear policy and military analysts say nothing of the sort has taken place, and the only plan in the works -- initiated by former President Barack Obama -- has a 30-year time line and an estimated $1 trillion cost. Most of that spending would come after 2022.

“Nothing has changed with our nuclear warheads or bombs in any significant way that makes them more powerful,” said Todd Harrison, a defense budget analyst with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “There’s no real reflection in the budget, it’s just a continuation -- they didn’t stop anything, they didn’t slow anything down and they also didn’t accelerate anything.”

The upgrades are driven by the age of systems such as the Minuteman III missiles, first deployed 40 years ago, and the fleet of 14 Ohio-class nuclear missile submarines, which already had their service lives extended to 42 years from 30 years. The Air Force last year chose Northrop Grumman Corp. to develop and build a new nuclear-capable bomber at a projected cost of $80 billion as a successor to the Eisenhower-era B-52.

Read about the $788 billion spending bill that would boost the military

Trump demonstrated his interest in the nuclear arsenal before taking office, tweeting in December that “the United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes.”

But his fiscal 2018 budget proposal largely continues the nuclear modernization programs begun during his predecessor’s administration, and many of those programs are just getting off the ground.

“President Trump was informed of the growing threat last December, and on taking office his first orders to me emphasized the readiness of our ballistic missile defense and nuclear deterrent forces,” Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said in a statement Wednesday.

Trump’s own review to start thinking about how to upgrade the air-land-sea nuclear triad isn’t complete, much less the turning of wrenches to modernize it, according to a Senate Republican aide who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-09/trump-s-nuclear-weapons-arsenal-isn-t-any-different-than-obama-s

 

[homersapien 10,932]

17 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

Remember the time Trump couldn't answer a question about the nuclear triad? 

Yeah, I was saving that for a post on his recent comments about how our nuclear force is "bigger and better than ever" (paraphrased).

Obama initiated a one trillion dollar upgrade ($1,000,000,000) to take place over the next 30 years to upgrade our nuclear forces.  As far as I know, the allocation per leg of the triad has not been determined.  Whether or not we actually still need all three legs is a legitimate question (for another thread).

But it's pretty obvious we don't need Trump to weigh-in on that debate.  

[SaltyTiger 7,346]

Horrible..... you guys concerned more about President Trump rhetoric than the problem.

[homersapien 10,932]

5 hours ago, RunInRed said:

 

Good article.   

This is a very current issue, and it needs a lot of public debate. Otherwise - as a pre-modern Republican might have phrased it - the "military-industrial complex" will steer our future.   

Trump is a joke.  God help us for the next few years.

[homersapien 10,932]

18 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Horrible..... you guys concerned more about President Trump rhetoric than the problem.

Why do you say that?

Got something about "the problem" you'd like to discuss?

[homersapien 10,932]

We are in a ******* bus speeding down a mountain with a clown as the driver, and you want to discuss how dangerous the road is?   

[Mikey 15,820]

We are in the current mess because of eight years of Obama's wimpy appeasement policy that led North Korea to believe they can get away with anything. Thanks to Obama's failure, now we have to scare them and scare them is exactly what Trump is doing. If he's also scaring some on the whiny left, suck it up buttercup.

[SaltyTiger 7,346]

14 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Why do you say that?

Got something about "the problem" you'd like to discuss?

I have no problem my Auburn Brother Homer? Do you have any problems other than President Trump?

[homersapien 10,932]

6 minutes ago, Mikey said:

We are in the current mess because of eight years of Obama's wimpy appeasement policy that led North Korea to believe they can get away with anything. Thanks to Obama's failure, now we have to scare them and scare them is exactly what Trump is doing. If he's also scaring some on the whiny left, suck it up buttercup.

Thank God Obama had no reason to create a diversionary war!

Stop drinking and go to bed.

[homersapien 10,932]

1 minute ago, SaltyTiger said:

I have no problem my Auburn Brother Homer? Do you have any problems other than President Trump?

evasion

[SaltyTiger 7,346]

2 minutes ago, homersapien said:

evasion

evasion of what Brother Homer?....obviously the legislation passed by this administration has affected you much more than me. 

[homersapien 10,932]

6 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

evasion of what Brother Homer?....obviously the legislation passed by this administration has affected you much more than me. 

Discussing the problem of N. Korea.

What "legislation" are you referring to?

[SaltyTiger 7,346]

7 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Discussing the problem of N. Korea.

What "legislation" are you referring to?

Has not been any legislation to my knowledge. You are the one that says we are headed off a cliff. 

"We are in a ******* bus heading down the mountain with a clown as the driver and you want to argue about how dangerous the road is? "

That type of thing scares Elle to death. You are shameful Homer.

[DKW 86 7,172]

Referring to Mr Trump

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

8 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Horrible..... you guys concerned more about President Trump rhetoric than the problem.

His rhetoric creates the problems. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

7 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Has not been any legislation to my knowledge. You are the one that says we are headed off a cliff. 

"We are in a ******* bus heading down the mountain with a clown as the driver and you want to argue about how dangerous the road is? "

That type of thing scares Elle to death. You are shameful Homer.

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[I_M4_AU 7,014]

There is an article from the Washington Post that seems to support Mikey's point above.  Here is a portion on the article:

Under the leadership of Kim Jong Il, Kim Il Sung's son who ruled from 1994 to 2011, North Korea's nuclear program grew relatively slowly. However, since Kim Jong Un took over in 2011, the country has diverted considerable resources to the program, making a number of major advances in both its nuclear weapons and missiles programs.

The rest of the article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/09/what-we-know-about-north-koreas-quest-for-nuclear-weapons/?utm_term=.32e5cecef45f

[TexasTiger 11,620]

16 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

There is an article from the Washington Post that seems to support Mikey's point above.  Here is a portion on the article:

Under the leadership of Kim Jong Il, Kim Il Sung's son who ruled from 1994 to 2011, North Korea's nuclear program grew relatively slowly. However, since Kim Jong Un took over in 2011, the country has diverted considerable resources to the program, making a number of major advances in both its nuclear weapons and missiles programs.

The rest of the article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/09/what-we-know-about-north-koreas-quest-for-nuclear-weapons/?utm_term=.32e5cecef45f

No it doesn't.

[Strychnine 1,799]

3 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

No it doesn't.

 

If anything, I would say that conducting their first nuclear test in 2006 supports an assertion that the President of the United States (and political party membership), and their policies, are largely irrelevant to North Korea.

[RunInRed 15,046]