NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 32 minutes ago, AUDub said: Yep. I shamelessly stole that one form KT. Think it would be nigh impossible argument. How much clearer could "no contact" be? Given the facts presented by the prosecution, I'm not sure there was any argument that could save his bacon, especially since the judge has warned him about his behavior in the past. And judges don't particularly like it when you pull their lariat. Oh I just mean, as the statute reads, that's a plausible defense to the charge because it requires knowledge. However, I am not saying Manafort will prevail on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augolf1716 21,103 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Pressure to flip I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,147 Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, augolf1716 said: Pressure to flip I guess To the extreme. Jail sucks. Opinion of another former AUSA. Read this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,362 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 He's too late. He should have tried to cut a deal earlier. Suggests he maybe doesn't have any leverage to trade with, as hard as that is to accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,362 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-mueller-really-wants-to-put-manafort-in-jail?ref=wrap ......Some have argued that the motion to revoke bond is a hardball tactic by Mueller to force Manafort to come to the table and cooperate in the Russia investigation. If Manafort is jailed, the thinking goes, he will feel more pressure to start talking immediately. But this thinking seems off the mark. It seems more likely that Mueller is prosecuting what he sees to be a serious crime. For one thing, Manafort is likely facing a lengthy prison sentence anyway for his various financial crimes and false statements. He doesn’t need to be inside a jail to realize that. To date, he has fought the charges. It may be that Manafort believes he is innocent, though from the face of the indictment and the guilty plea by Gates, the evidence of his guilt appears to be strong. The case is based mostly on documents, which are more difficult to refute than cases based on witness testimony. A case becomes even stronger when the defendant demonstrates what is known as “consciousness of guilt” by asking witnesses to lie for him, as Manafort is alleged to have done here..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 If Manafort is guilty I hope he is convicted. But I see no non-political reason why he should be in jail and bail revoked. hopefully an appeal will get this resolved quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,147 Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 Just now, Proud Tiger said: If Manafort is guilty I hope he is convicted. But I see no non-political reason why he should be in jail and bail revoked. hopefully an appeal will get this resolved quickly. The idea of an appeal succeeding here is extremely remote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,362 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said: If Manafort is guilty I hope he is convicted. But I see no non-political reason why he should be in jail and bail revoked. hopefully an appeal will get this resolved quickly. Tampering with a jury is a non-political reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 13 hours ago, homersapien said: Tampering with a jury is a non-political reason. Pretty much this. According to documents, he used an encrypted app, while on house arrest, to contact potential witnesses of a case where he will be the defendant. You simply can't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Brad_ATX said: Pretty much this. According to documents, he used an encrypted app, while on house arrest, to contact potential witnesses of a case where he will be the defendant. You simply can't do that. I agree but is it necessary to lock him up before his trial? There have been worse things done by people who weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,147 Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 Just now, Proud Tiger said: I agree but is it necessary to lock him up before his trial? There have been worse things done by people who weren't. Tampering with witnesses is a good way to get on any Judge's s*** list in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said: I agree but is it necessary to lock him up before his trial? There have been worse things done by people who weren't. You just can't tamper with witnesses. And if he's locked up, he can't do that. The judge gave him bail the first time and he still couldn't help himself. All on Manafort at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,362 Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Proud Tiger said: I agree but is it necessary to lock him up before his trial? There have been worse things done by people who weren't. And how do you ensure he stops? Geeeez, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,973 Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Proud Tiger said: I agree but is it necessary to lock him up before his trial? There have been worse things done by people who weren't. Yes like crossing a border as a toddler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,894 Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 40 minutes ago, alexava said: Yes like crossing a border as a toddler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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