homersapien 11,354 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 10 hours ago, AUFAN78 said: In the famous words of homey, irony. So what you do? Cancel the investigation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 12 hours ago, SaltyTiger said: I asked you a simple question. bed with Putin....you brought it up Loof Well, his financing was coming from somewhere other than commercial banks - they had learned their lesson. His son said they were getting all the money they needed from Russia. You seriously think Putin was out of the loop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,764 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 hours ago, homersapien said: Well, his financing was coming from somewhere other than commercial banks - they had learned their lesson. His son said they were getting all the money they needed from Russia. You seriously think Putin was out of the loop? yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 hours ago, homersapien said: The guy was an educated professional. I'd be willing to bet most of the professionals in Washington - hell, in the whole country - have a low opinion of Trump. Way more than the 60% of the general population that have a low opinion of him. Ok? Trump is too - Ivy Leaguer at best business school in America. What's your point? So you try to rationalize? As you would have it, I guess he shouldn't have been fired? Personal opinions are not to be commingled with this investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,471 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Ok? Trump is too - Ivy Leaguer at best business school in America. What's your point? Side note: UPenn isn't Ivy League. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,131 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Side note: UPenn isn't Ivy League. Carry on. Isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,471 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, Bigbens42 said: Isn't it? Yikes! It is. Mea culpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Side note: UPenn isn't Ivy League. Carry on. Uh, yes it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,471 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, NolaAuTiger said: Uh, yes it is https://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/160475-the-mueller-team-needs-to-be-investigated/?do=findComment&comment=2785417 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, TitanTiger said: Yikes! It is. Mea culpa. Yep. Wharton at UPenn is best business school in America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,131 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Yep. Wharton at UPenn is best business school in America Well, one of the two with either Wharton or Havard at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, NolaAuTiger said: Ok? Trump is too - Ivy Leaguer at best business school in America. What's your point? So you try to rationalize? As you would have it, I guess he shouldn't have been fired? Personal opinions are not to be commingled with this investigation. My point is that, statistically speaking, most highly educated professionals have a low opinion of Trump. If you screened every eligible investigator simply for a negative opinion of Trump, you couldn't assemble enough members for a team. That's Trump's fault, not theirs. And suggesting an objective investigation is impossible because Trump is not universally popular among the investigators is an insult to the professionalism of the FBI. And he was fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 hours ago, homersapien said: My point is that, statistically speaking, most highly educated professionals have a low opinion of Trump. If you screened every eligible investigator simply for a negative opinion of Trump, you couldn't assemble enough members for a team. That's Trump's fault, not theirs. And suggesting an objective investigation is impossible because Trump is not universally popular among the investigators is an insult to the professionalism of the FBI. And he was fired. Goodness Homer. You cannot be serious... "statistically speaking" ????? Where do you get these sort of statistics from and who conducts the gathering of information? You literally pulled that out of thin air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Bigbens42 said: Well, one of the two with either Wharton or Havard at the top. That being said, I wonder how in the world the top programs are even distinguished from one another. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 32 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Goodness Homer. You cannot be serious... "statistically speaking" ????? Where do you get these sort of statistics from and who conducts the gathering of information? You literally pulled that out of thin air. Polling information. Polls are statistical samples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,131 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, homersapien said: Polling information. Polls are statistical samples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,131 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, NolaAuTiger said: That being said, I wonder how in the world the top programs are even distinguished from one another. Does that make sense? US News and World Report, for instance, has a formula using placement success (salary and employment rates), selectivity (GPA, SAT score, acceptance rate) and assessments by peers and recruiters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 54 minutes ago, homersapien said: Polling information. Polls are statistical samples. What specific poll? Or should I just take your word for it? Verify that most highly educated professionals have a low opinion of Trump. I don't even know why I am chasing the rabbit. If every highly educated professional has a low opinion of Trump, then why did that opinion get him removed from the case? Why can't it just be brushed under the rug like you are doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bigbens42 said: Negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,131 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: What specific poll? Or should I just take your word for it? Hell, just about any of them conducted properly. Take a look at this IPSOS poll, for instance. http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/CP3_2/filters/EDUATT:4 You can filter by education level. Compare the approval rates for respondents with HS education to those with a college education, and respondents with a college education to those with a post-grad education. This is not at all unique. It's rare to find a poll that doesn't bear Homer's assertion out. 2 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Verify that most highly educated professionals have a low opinion of Trump. Looking at statistical samples, i.e. polls, bear that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Bigbens42 said: Hell, just about any of them conducted properly. Take a look at this IPSOS poll, for instance. http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/CP3_2/filters/EDUATT:4 You can filter by education level. Compare the approval rates for respondents with HS education to those with a college education, and respondents with a college education to those with a post-grad education. This is not at all unique. It's rare to find a poll that doesn't bear Homer's assertion out. Looking at statistical samples, i.e. polls, bear that out. But what is the overarching point? That because of some commonly shared opinion among peers, his opinion (which infiltrated his acting capacity in the investigation and ultimately got him fired) should be brushed under the rug? Whether the agent went to the worst college in America or Harvard, what's Homer getting at??? I know I went down the rabbit trail, but how does this connect the dots???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,890 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 8 hours ago, homersapien said: So what you do? Cancel the investigation? Uh excuse me, but I think that flew over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 To think that partisanship within a federal investigative agency is just something to shrug off is sad. FBI/investigative bias is a problem and perversion of law. More specifically, to say, "If you screened every eligible investigator simply for a negative opinion of Trump, you couldn't assemble enough members for a team. That's Trump's fault, not theirs," reflects a true disconnect. Opinions about Trump have no place in the investigative role. FBI partisanship detracts from what should be the goal of any investigative agency: objectivity. Allison J. Doherty, The F.B.I.'s I-driVe aNd tHe rigHt to A faIr trial, 91 Iowa L. Rev. 1571, 1586 (2006) Unfortunately, the FBI's focus on obtaining convictions rather than ensuring justice has resulted in withholding of evidence from the prosecution Allison J. Doherty, The F.B.I.'s I-driVe aNd tHe rigHt to A faIr trial, 91 Iowa L. Rev. 1571, 1586 (2006) As for the F.B.I. bias evidence, defense counsel wanted to introduce testimony that F.B.I. agents talked to Jones' husband before they talked to her, and that it was embarrassing to Jones' husband for Jones to assist Mike and Larry Moore. United States v. Moore, 786 F.2d 1308, 1314 (5th Cir. 1986) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 3 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said: What specific poll? Or should I just take your word for it? Verify that most highly educated professionals have a low opinion of Trump. I don't even know why I am chasing the rabbit. If every highly educated professional has a low opinion of Trump, then why did that opinion get him removed from the case? Why can't it just be brushed under the rug like you are doing? Yes, you should take my word for it. Do your own research. It got him fired because of the political repercussions - you know, like Trumpett's claiming the entire Mueller investigation is partisan. Taking him off the investigation is not "brushing it under the rug". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,354 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 3 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said: But what is the overarching point? That because of some commonly shared opinion among peers, his opinion (which infiltrated his acting capacity in the investigation and ultimately got him fired) should be brushed under the rug? Whether the agent went to the worst college in America or Harvard, what's Homer getting at??? I know I went down the rabbit trail, but how does this connect the dots???? The "overarching" point is to highlight the ridiculous notion that having someone on this investigation team who has a low personal opinion of Trump is a rational excuse to claim the entire investigation is flawed. And I never said anything about good or bad colleges. That's your "rabbit trail". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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