Off the Bus

[RunInRed 19,639]

We need a James Franklin not a Gus Malzahn.  Do you see similar fire in the belly out of CGM?  All I ever hear is "we've got to get better, no doubt about" ... "great week of practice" ... 

 

 

It's not the play calling.  It's the leadership top of house.  Just my couple of pennies ...

[PoetTiger 1,901]

All that talk is great but he should have signed off on a better play. After 2 timeouts and that’s the play you come up with. The ball should have stayed in  McSorley’s hands with an RPO option. Instead they run a read play. IMO he made it kinda easy for tOSU. In the words of Bruce Pearl, I don’t wanna win the press conference, I wanna win the conference. Great little tidbit of passion there but his coaching failed him yesterday, and if Gus does not get better coaching it will fail him as well. 

[OnthePlains 2,014]

26 minutes ago, RunInRed said:

We need a James Franklin not a Gus Malzahn.  Do you see similar fire in the belly out of CGM?  All I ever hear is "we've got to get better, no doubt about" ... "great week of practice" ... 

 

 

It's not the play calling.  It's the leadership top of house.  Just my couple of pennies ...

I’m out of likes but God Bless you Red.

[PigskinPat 3,076]

I have tried my best to look for positives and not jump on the fire Gus bandwagon, but I’m afraid we have hit the ceiling with Gus and we have entered the phase of dimishing returns with him. This is year SIX of his tenure and I haven’t seen any growth or willingness to change or adapt. Some have said we are in a rebuilding year in some areas, but that should NEVER be the case in year six in a top program. Can anyone tell me another top program that has had the stability we’ve had at HC and success in recruiting that we’ve had that is having to “rebuild” like we supposedly are?

The school across the state from us has had a coaching carousel going on with assistants and this year they have a new OC and DC and this is the most potent offense little nicky has ever had. Apparently they understand the concept of using the strengths of your players to your advantage and don’t try to jam a square peg into a round hole.

 I’m sick of excuses. I’m sick of us wasting the careers of highly talented players. I’m sick of having to “get better” after EVERY SINGLE GAME. I’m sick of rewarding a coach who finally shows some fire and wins a couple of games against our rivals with a ridiculous contract. I’m sick of knowing what play we’re about to call and knowing that if a fan like me knows, the opposing DC is licking his chops. Many of you have done a great job diagnosing what we need to on offense and I’m sick of a very highly paid COACH not being able to see these same things.

Probably what makes me the most sick is that we can’t afford to fire him and I don’t know who we’d get even if we could.

[sevenlee36 2,021]

58 minutes ago, RunInRed said:

We need a James Franklin not a Gus Malzahn.  Do you see similar fire in the belly out of CGM?  All I ever hear is "we've got to get better, no doubt about" ... "great week of practice" ... 

 

 

It's not the play calling.  It's the leadership top of house.  Just my couple of pennies ...

Been saying that name for a long time. Doubt it would ever happen. We’d fire Gus to hire Rhett.

[PoetTiger 1,901]

I don’t see an elite running back on this team. This offense is a hurry up play action offense. Kam is an undersized scat back and Whitlow is a serviceable back but not elite in terms of freshman talent. He will grow and get better as time goes on. The run game has to get going, once it moves you get pace and play action. Once the play count gets into the 80’s you get the offensive dominance we have seen in the past. People say recruiting but it has been a miss in the RB dept, combined with some early departures in KJ and Kam. I try not to freak out and melt down. And if any of us here could coach and do better we would be roaming someone’s sidelines on Saturday afternoon instead of posting on a message board. In the SEC you have to have the ability to run the ball when you have to and stop the run when you need to. Right now Auburn can’t run the ball effectively enough to compliment the full offense. JMO. 

[DAG 36,513]

39 minutes ago, PoetTiger said:

All that talk is great but he should have signed off on a better play. After 2 timeouts and that’s the play you come up with. The ball should have stayed in  McSorley’s hands with an RPO option. Instead they run a read play. IMO he made it kinda easy for tOSU. In the words of Bruce Pearl, I don’t wanna win the press conference, I wanna win the conference. Great little tidbit of passion there but his coaching failed him yesterday, and if Gus does not get better coaching it will fail him as well. 

And he took responsibility for it? No. And after he took responsibility for it, the captain of the team followed suit. 

[PoetTiger 1,901]

3 minutes ago, sevenlee36 said:

Been saying that name for a long time. Doubt it would ever happen. We’d fire Gus to hire Rhett.

What has Franklin won of great significance thus far. He has not done no more than Gus IMO. I like him, he was a fire ball in that press conference. But he should have been grounded when signing off on that wack 4th down call yesterday. Press conferences don’t win football games.

[Rednilla 5,480]

40 minutes ago, PoetTiger said:

All that talk is great but he should have signed off on a better play. After 2 timeouts and that’s the play you come up with. The ball should have stayed in  McSorley’s hands with an RPO option. Instead they run a read play. IMO he made it kinda easy for tOSU. In the words of Bruce Pearl, I don’t wanna win the press conference, I wanna win the conference. Great little tidbit of passion there but his coaching failed him yesterday, and if Gus does not get better coaching it will fail him as well. 

This is spot on. You don't take it out of the hands of your star dual threat QB when the game is on the line. They had plenty of time left to get into field goal range if they make that first down.

[PoetTiger 1,901]

3 minutes ago, DAG said:

And he took responsibility for it? No. And after he took responsibility for it, the captain of the team followed suit. 

He did and it’s admirable. Just remove him and insert Gus and half of the people here would be at Toomers with torches and pitchforks. Saying the hell with responsibility, you should have made a better damn call.

[PoetTiger 1,901]

1 minute ago, Rednilla said:

This is spot on. You don't take it out of the hands of your star dual threat QB when the game is on the line. They had plenty of time left to get into field goal range if they make that first down.

Let me say in a hypothetical world if Gus left, Franklin would be at the top if not the very top of my list. I like his leadership and his recruiting ability. 

[DAG 36,513]

1 minute ago, PoetTiger said:

He did and it’s admirable. Just remove him and insert Gus and half of the people here would be at Toomers with torches and pitchforks. Saying the hell with responsibility, you should have made a better damn call.

Of course he should’ve made a better damn call. He has acknowledged that! And no I don’t think people would be put with pitch forks if we competed with someone like Alabama and lost on a fourth and 1 call. Would people be upset about it and mad? Yes. Emotions would've been high after such a close victory against an elite team. Would people be calling for his head to be fired? Majority of the people would not IMO. Also, you asked what has James Franklin did that Gus hasn't achieved. He took Vandy to 3 consecutive bowl games. The only coach in history to do something of that level. Now, he has Penn State competing at the highest level post them getting a freaking death penalty. Come on now. 

[eainterplay 7]

Very strange to see so much desire to bring in Franklin, a coach who loss a one point game in his toughest game of the year and struggled to beat a team far beneath the caliber of his own team recently. Sounds an awful lot like another coach this year...

[OnthePlains 2,014]

2 minutes ago, eainterplay said:

Very strange to see so much desire to bring in Franklin, a coach who loss a one point game in his toughest game of the year and struggled to beat a team far beneath the caliber of his own team recently. Sounds an awful lot like another coach this year...

I think its the attitude not the results people are talking about 

[PoetTiger 1,901]

5 minutes ago, DAG said:

Of course he should’ve made a better damn call. He has acknowledged that! And no I don’t think people would be put with pitch forks if we competed with someone like Alabama and lost on a fourth and 1 call. Would people be upset about it and mad? Yes. Emotions would've been high after such a close victory against an elite team. Would people be calling for his head to be fired? Majority of the people would not IMO. Also, you asked what has James Franklin did that Gus hasn't achieved. He took Vandy to 3 consecutive bowl games. The only coach in history to do something of that level. Now, he has Penn State competing at the highest level post them getting a freaking death penalty. Come on now. 

The only thing he has done differently is take Vandy to three bowl games, which is commendable. As far as their careers at their current schools it’s probably a wash with Gus having appeared in a title game and an SEC title. I just think Gus has accomplished more in a tougher conference...totally my opinion.

[sevenlee36 2,021]

26 minutes ago, PoetTiger said:

What has Franklin won of great significance thus far. He has not done no more than Gus IMO. I like him, he was a fire ball in that press conference. But he should have been grounded when signing off on that wack 4th down call yesterday. Press conferences don’t win football games.

He won at Vandy... enough said. But wait he won at Penn St where the place is still feeling  the effect of probation and all the mess from pedo. Ya he is a dang good coach.

The guy has been successful in two of the most difficult situations.

 

[DAG 36,513]

7 minutes ago, PoetTiger said:

The only thing he has done differently is take Vandy to three bowl games, which is commendable. As far as their careers at their current schools it’s probably a wash with Gus having appeared in a title game and an SEC title. I just think Gus has accomplished more in a tougher conference...totally my opinion.

A team that was head coached by Gene Chizik won an SEC title and won the NC Game. Granted Gus was a huge part of that, but at the end of the day, Gene took a chance on Gus. Now, Gus wanted to call the shots and he has gotten the opportunity to. It's not far fetched for him to be able to win the conference. I give him props for getting us to the NC GAME of course. However, do I think Gus could ever do what James Franklin did at vandy consistently? Nope. Just my opinion. Fair debate 

[jAUSon 2,836]

I love Gus, except that he is not a good college football coach. So it's gotten tough for me. The arguments against him are pretty strong, and are redundant year over year to the point of scientific evidence. Mostly the arguments in his favor are: "I don't like you, you're not a good fan". So there's that.

[DAG 36,513]

14 minutes ago, eainterplay said:

Very strange to see so much desire to bring in Franklin, a coach who loss a one point game in his toughest game of the year and struggled to beat a team far beneath the caliber of his own team recently. Sounds an awful lot like another coach this year...

And how has Penn State responded in the next four games after that near defeat? How have we responded after LSU? 

[aubiefifty 19,321]

1 hour ago, RunInRed said:

We need a James Franklin not a Gus Malzahn.  Do you see similar fire in the belly out of CGM?  All I ever hear is "we've got to get better, no doubt about" ... "great week of practice" ... 

 

 

It's not the play calling.  It's the leadership top of house.  Just my couple of pennies ...

gus keeps saying how bright the future is and then five games in we still look like a crap offense tells me gus is probably in over his head. and the kids know the problem is. most of them have been balling for most of their lives. so with that said i just hope it does not hurt recruiting. why sign up to play for this crap show on "O". gus wanted the big bucks and we paid him. he should step up and be way beyond this crap. at least just be honest about the problem. if it is stid and the oline call them out for playing crappy. hell grab a face mask or give an attitude adjustment. so far nothing else seems to be working.

[PoetTiger 1,901]

I don’t get too high or too low, mainly because seasons are long and things change. After the LSU loss last season a lot of people were on meltdown mode. After the UGA and UA wins the attitude changed. The season is not over by no means. The road is difficult, but one thing I’ve learned is that Auburn has a unique way of surprising people under Gus. My biggest concern is the lack of talent at the RB position. Auburn can’t run the ball effectively right now and it has stymied the offense. 

[eainterplay 7]

9 minutes ago, DAG said:

And how has Penn State responded in the next four games after that near defeat? How have we responded after LSU? 

They've smashed some really bad football teams in Illinois, Kent State, and Pitt. Meanwhile Auburn smashed Arkansas. Look some people would be happier with the ra-ra hype personality that Franklin is, but let's be honest, he'd have about the same success that Malzahn has been able to muster and the majority of this board would turn him eventually.

[DAG 36,513]

1 minute ago, PoetTiger said:

I don’t get too high or too low, mainly because seasons are long and things change. After the LSU loss last season a lot of people were on meltdown mode. After the UGA and UA wins the attitude changed. The season is not over by no means. The road is difficult, but one thing I’ve learned is that Auburn has a unique way of surprising people under Gus. My biggest concern is the lack of talent at the RB position. Auburn can’t run the ball effectively right now and it has stymied the offense. 

It's not lack of talent. It's a lack of personnel, which these guys recruited. You need to be able to adapt to the guys you have. That is coaching 101 and I haven't seen Gus do it since he has become a head coach. 

[Strychnine 1,812]

1 minute ago, PoetTiger said:

The only thing he has done differently is take Vandy to three bowl games, which is commendable. As far as their careers at their current schools it’s probably a wash with Gus having appeared in a title game and an SEC title. I just think Gus has accomplished more in a tougher conference...totally my opinion.

 

He has two consecutive 11 win seasons, the first of which came in his third season after taking over a program that was basically annihilated by the NCAA.  A pair of 9 win seasons at Vanderbilt is quite an impressive feat in itself.  Gus inherited several years of highly-ranked recruiting classes, and a roster he was largely involved with building.  Gus won the new head coaching job lottery when he came back to Auburn.  They both have won conference titles, but the situations they walked into are definitely not comparable.

[eainterplay 7]

1 minute ago, DAG said:

Arkansas is effin terrible. Are you kidding me? I don't give a crap about the aggies game. Last year Arkansas won 4 games and took the aggies to over time. It's a rivalry. They are a bad freaking football. Did we smash USM? Why didn't you mention them? 

Arkansas is terrible, as bad as Illinois and Pitt and Kent State is even worse which illustrates that Penn State's response is struggling against App St. means nothing just like Auburn's response to Arkansas. As referenced in my first post, Auburn struggling against USM is equivalent to Penn St's struggle against App St. so why beat a dead horse.

But hey, as long as the coach is as outraged as you, results don't really matter do they?