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Report: SEC reviewing officiating in Alabama-Mississippi State game

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Andrew Olson | 3 hours ago

Multiple controversial calls in the Alabama-Mississippi State game has prompted a review by the league office, according to Brett Hudson of The Columbus Dispatch.

Mississippi State AD John Cohen complained to the conference and shared the development.

“I’ve personally communicated with the coordinator of football officials, Steve Shaw, and SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey,” Cohen said, per Hudson. “Both of them assured me that Saturday’s game with Alabama is being fully reviewed, and they also stated that the official issues will be identified swiftly and dealt with directly.”

There were multiple questionable calls in the first half that went in Alabama’s favor. Crimson Tide RB Damien Harris was ruled to be down before fumbling the fall, a play that was not reviewed. The lack of a review drew widespread social media criticism.

Later, a “phantom” block in the back penalty took a touchdown pass to Kylin Hill off the board.

It will be interesting to find out what the SEC has to say after reviewing the game.

A University of Florida alumnus, Andrew joined Saturday Down South in 2015. Follow him on Twitter @ByAndrewOlson.

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It's a trickle but people outside of Auburn are finally starting to get it and be vocal.  

Maybe one day it'll be a waterfall.  ...or not.

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9 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

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Report: SEC reviewing officiating in Alabama-Mississippi State game

2-3 minutes

Andrew Olson | 3 hours ago

Multiple controversial calls in the Alabama-Mississippi State game has prompted a review by the league office, according to Brett Hudson of The Columbus Dispatch.

Mississippi State AD John Cohen complained to the conference and shared the development.

“I’ve personally communicated with the coordinator of football officials, Steve Shaw, and SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey,” Cohen said, per Hudson. “Both of them assured me that Saturday’s game with Alabama is being fully reviewed, and they also stated that the official issues will be identified swiftly and dealt with directly.”

There were multiple questionable calls in the first half that went in Alabama’s favor. Crimson Tide RB Damien Harris was ruled to be down before fumbling the fall, a play that was not reviewed. The lack of a review drew widespread social media criticism.

Later, a “phantom” block in the back penalty took a touchdown pass to Kylin Hill off the board.

It will be interesting to find out what the SEC has to say after reviewing the game.

A University of Florida alumnus, Andrew joined Saturday Down South in 2015. Follow him on Twitter @ByAndrewOlson.

What I don’t understand is why State didn’t take matters in their own hands and challenge the fumble. Had plenty of time...

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I liked Steve Shaw when he was an on the field referee and thought he did good job officiating games. But as the head of officials, the officiating has gotten worse under Shaw's watch.. 

I honestly think Shaw should step down as head of officials because his group is not getting the job done and are still making some really bad calls. They obviously aren't doing anything to demand better performance from the officials because these kinds of calls just keep happening. 

I'm not a referee and have never been one but just from the mechanical standpoint, I don't see how the official at the goal line should have been the one to call the block in the back when he didn't have a clear view(from the side). You'd think the official from behind the play would have been the one to make a block in the back call.

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8 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

What I don’t understand is why State didn’t take matters in their own hands and challenge the fumble. Had plenty of time...

Aren't the booth officials and SEC offices reviewing each play and can call for a review in a game? We've seen countless times a team try to hurry up and get a play off to avoid a review but the refs will blow the whistle to announce a review of the previous play.

I think it's silly that coaches have to challenge close calls and the booth officials won't buzz down to the on the field officials to review a close play. Yet you'll see plays reviewed that weren't even that close get a review. There's even a lot of inconsistency even from the booth officials on which plays get a review and which one's that coaches have to challenge to get a review.

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4 minutes ago, Auburnfan91 said:

think it's silly that coaches have to challenge close calls and the booth officials won't buzz down to the on the field officials to review a close play. 

I think it’s a necessary evil. It helps keep the game honest. Again, they had plenty of time to call a timeout. The SEC screwed up but so did State.

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6 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

I think it’s necessary. It helps keep the game honest. Again, they had plenty of time to call a timeout. 

Why even have review then? Coaches can't challenge every close call.

Plus, the fact that they weren't going to review it probably tells you they probably weren't going to overturn the call on the field.

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1 minute ago, Auburnfan91 said:

Why even have review then? Coaches can't challenge every close call.

Of course the coaches cannot challenge every close call. They still have tbe valuable option to at least one challenge. Obviously a clear change of possession is worth the challenge. 

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28 minutes ago, Auburnfan91 said:

I liked Steve Shaw when he was an on the field referee and thought he did good job officiating games. But as the head of officials, the officiating has gotten worse under Shaw's watch.. 

I honestly think Shaw should step down as head of officials because his group is not getting the job done and are still making some really bad calls. They obviously aren't doing anything to demand better performance from the officials because these kinds of calls just keep happening. 

I'm not a referee and have never been one but just from the mechanical standpoint, I don't see how the official at the goal line should have been the one to call the block in the back when he didn't have a clear view(from the side). You'd think the official from behind the play would have been the one to make a block in the back call.

Mechanicaly you are spot on here.  There's no possible way the official on the goal line could see contact at all by the blocker.  He was straightlined to the play.   The backjudge who is in the center of the field on the endline OR the side judge/field judge (we refer to them as deep wings) positioned at the back pylon would be able to get a great view of that particular situation.  The official at the goal line, no possible way with it playing out the way it did.  In fact, he really shouldn't even be looking at that block.  The ball was coming his way and he's responsible for the sideline AND the goal line.  The official that threw that flag broke a major cardinal rule of officiating in that he didn't see the whole play, IMO. He saw the defensive player fall and assumed the block caused it.  In order to throw a flag for anything you have to see ALL of it not just the end result and think something illegal happened.

 

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Yep State should have called a timeout.. maybe the coaches up stairs didn’t see the replay in time to tell the HC to call timeout.. maybe they were thinking the officials would do their job and review a close call. The call in the end zone was blatant and unexcusable. 

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bfd, so what are they going to do when they see the error. Exactly nothing, maybe some blow up your skirt press release.

Whatever the uat mafia tells them is what they will say. Can't let the scarlet letter have any stain on it.

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39 minutes ago, TigerOne said:

bfd, so what are they going to do when they see the error. Exactly nothing, maybe some blow up your skirt press release.

Whatever the uat mafia tells them is what they will say. Can't let the scarlet letter have any stain on it.

And the review is being conducted by Steve Shaw, bammer alum. What a joke!

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17 hours ago, aujeff11 said:

What I don’t understand is why State didn’t take matters in their own hands and challenge the fumble. Had plenty of time...

That was because an MSU Assistant Coach was NOT doing his job. Even Gary Danielson said that.

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1 hour ago, TheBeachTigger said:

That was because an MSU Assistant Coach was NOT doing his job. Even Gary Danielson said that.

That is what I figured. Really can’t blame the SEC for that one when MSU colossally screwed that one up as well. The block in the black foul was basically NBA television. The refs see the result and assume foul, and players like Harden take advantage.

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I think this says everything there is to say about the SEC officials and their blindness to Bama. Process or no process, no team is penalty free for 60 minutes. 

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50 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

That is what I figured. Really can’t blame the SEC for that one when MSU colossally screwed that one up as well. 

I understand if you don't blame them, but they absolutely should be blamed. They didn't do their job. Whether and why the Mississippi State coaches also failed to do theirs is collateral, and it doesn't alleviate the SEC's responsibility to correctly initiate a review. 

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11 minutes ago, gr82be said:

I think this says everything there is to say about the SEC officials and their blindness to Bama. Process or no process, no team is penalty free for 60 minutes. 

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The Patriots and Duke and other regular basketball powers both counter this point. Bob Huggins got teed up and kicked out because his team gave up 35 FTs to Kansas’s one and he got fed up with it. Fact of the matter is superior talents don’t have to foul and still maintain advantage.

The Patriots also rarely lose their discipline as well causing many tinhoil hat theorists to get excited. Such as against Jacksonville when they only committed one penalty in tbe conference championship.

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16 minutes ago, Barnacle said:

I understand if you don't blame them, but they absolutely should be blamed. They didn't do their job. Whether and why the Mississippi State coaches also failed to do theirs is collateral, and it doesn't alleviate the SEC's responsibility to correctly initiate a review. 

Why do you think coaches have the power to at least one coaching challenge? I don’t know why the SEC didn’t review it. I actually think both the SEC and State should be blamed, not just Moo State. 

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2 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

I actually think both the SEC and State should be blamed, not just Moo State. 

Agreed, but I do think that the SEC is more culpable. I say that because Mississippi State is limited in the number of challenges it can make. So, they have to be more judicious in their decision making process. Since the play happened on Alabama's first drive, I can understand a reluctance to burn a challenge that early in the game. The SEC doesn't have to make the same considerations. Now, I completely agree that MSU blew it, even with all the considerations above, but I don't believe the SEC booth has any excuse at all. 

And, I'm assuming that both MSU and the SEC had access to all the replay angles broadcasted on CBS? I thought it was pretty clear a replay should have been initiated, even 10 seconds before Alabama snapped the ball on the next play. 

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6 minutes ago, Barnacle said:

Agreed, but I do think that the SEC is more culpable. I say that because Mississippi State is limited in the number of challenges it can make. So, they have to be more judicious in their decision making process.

Bro. We are not talking about challenging 2nd and inches when it should’ve been first down. We are talking about a clear change of possession on the bonus side of tbe field.

8 minutes ago, Barnacle said:

And, I'm assuming that both MSU and the SEC had access to all the replay angles broadcasted on CBS?

Doubt it. Moorhead said that his assistants thought it wasn’t a fumble. No way they had the same feed.

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Just now, aujeff11 said:

Bro. We are not talking about challenging 2nd and inches when it should’ve been first down. We are talking about a clear change of possession on the bonus side of tbe field.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Barnacle said:

I completely agree that MSU blew it, even with all the considerations above

 

1 minute ago, aujeff11 said:

Doubt it. Moorhead said that his assistants thought it wasn’t a fumble. No way they had the same feed.

That was my thought as well - I wonder about the SEC office though. 

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29 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

The Patriots and Duke and other regular basketball powers both counter this point. Bob Huggins got teed up and kicked out because his team gave up 35 FTs to Kansas’s one and he got fed up with it. Fact of the matter is superior talents don’t have to foul and still maintain advantage.

The Patriots also rarely lose their discipline as well causing many tinhoil hat theorists to get excited. Such as against Jacksonville when they only committed one penalty in tbe conference championship.

I can see the "rarely" part but I do not believe that zero penalties is possible. Zero called, yes, zero committed, no. When the opponent is having flags thrown for imaginary infractions then there is a problem. 

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