OpEd: 10 biggest Covid mistakes

[SLAG-91 1,399]

Two years in, and some folks got some 'splainin' to do...

Some won't read it because of the source. That's fine...

#2 on this list (banning hospital visitation) is one that I would have a very, very difficult time forgiving if I had been in the position of having to deal with it. I'm pretty mild-mannered, but I think there would have been a confrontation on this one. 

Downplaying, if not downright dismissing, natural immunity is another one that is way up there on the list of malicious misconduct by our chief message-massagers. It never made any sense then or now.

Schools...the havoc wreaked by misguided policies will have a ripple effect for years.

Therapeutics...no money to be made off of those. Along those same lines, where was the messaging about increasing Vitamin D intake, getting some exercise if able (even if it's walking around the block a time), drink more water and less soda/improve diet in general?

There wasn't any.

We made jokes about the "quarantine 15 (or more)", even after we knew that obese people were kindling for this virus, along with elderly, immune-compromised, and the vitamin D deficient.

The solution? Take down basketball goals (DeBlasio, looking at you, you clown), close gyms, close pools, close parks, and keep them closed well after it was known that surface transmission was basically not a concern. Idiocy.

Before anyone says it, I am not a Covid denier...had a turn with it, as pretty much all of us will at some point. The psychological number that has been done on a significant chunk of the population in the last two years a shame, and the hell of it is that the "leaders" responsible for inducing it likely wouldn't change a thing if they had it to do over again.

[TexasTiger 11,598]

37 minutes ago, SLAG-91 said:

Two years in, and some folks got some 'splainin' to do...

Some won't read it because of the source. That's fine...

#2 on this list (banning hospital visitation) is one that I would have a very, very difficult time forgiving if I had been in the position of having to deal with it. I'm pretty mild-mannered, but I think there would have been a confrontation on this one. 

Downplaying, if not downright dismissing, natural immunity is another one that is way up there on the list of malicious misconduct by our chief message-massagers. It never made any sense then or now.

Schools...the havoc wreaked by misguided policies will have a ripple effect for years.

Therapeutics...no money to be made off of those. Along those same lines, where was the messaging about increasing Vitamin D intake, getting some exercise if able (even if it's walking around the block a time), drink more water and less soda/improve diet in general?

There wasn't any.

We made jokes about the "quarantine 15 (or more)", even after we knew that obese people were kindling for this virus, along with elderly, immune-compromised, and the vitamin D deficient.

The solution? Take down basketball goals (DeBlasio, looking at you, you clown), close gyms, close pools, close parks, and keep them closed well after it was known that surface transmission was basically not a concern. Idiocy.

Before anyone says it, I am not a Covid denier...had a turn with it, as pretty much all of us will at some point. The psychological number that has been done on a significant chunk of the population in the last two years a shame, and the hell of it is that the "leaders" responsible for inducing it likely wouldn't change a thing if they had it to do over again.

And the problem is, few political folks are in the reasonable center. The answer next time is not to shutdown, but minimize the riskiest behaviors, get a vaccination when available and wear n95 masks. Many folks on the right would go ballistic over anything now.

[I_M4_AU 6,997]

20 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

And the problem is, few political folks are in the reasonable center. The answer next time is not to shutdown, but minimize the riskiest behaviors, get a vaccination when available and wear n95 masks. Many folks on the right would go ballistic over anything now.

If you have been lied to for nearly 2 years and the *man who would be king* doubles down on his worst mistakes, you have a tendency to go *ballistic* over most things if you have been paying attention.

By the way; did you hear the Hunter Biden Laptop information was true?

[TexasTiger 11,598]

39 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

If you have been lied to for nearly 2 years and the *man who would be king* doubles down on his worst mistakes, you have a tendency to go *ballistic* over most things if you have been paying attention.

By the way; did you hear the Hunter Biden Laptop information was true?

Not a question of lies. More a question of tunnel vision with a singular focus and lack of balance, coupled with a context of folks fighting anything due to irrational tribalism, not 2 years of frustration. Folks like me that now would have little patience with extreme measures are different than the anti-vaxxers and a-holes harassing store clerks over masks. If a store ask that I wear a mask I either will politely do so or politely go elsewhere. It didn’t take two years of restrictions for the crazies to go crazy.

And if you’re referring to Fauci, he didn’t make the call for a single state— local leadership did. And most countries were far stricter than the USA was— not due to Fauci. Tribalists need someone to hate and blame.

[CoffeeTiger 4,678]

Speaking of Covid mistakes:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ivermectin-didnt-reduce-covid-19-hospitalizations-in-largest-trial-to-date-11647601200

Ivermectin Didn’t Reduce Covid-19 Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date

Patients who got the antiparasitic drug didn’t fare better than those who received a placebo

 

 

Conservatives swore up and down that this was an effective anti-covid drug and that the truth was being suppressed to benefit big pharma and keep the gov. mandates in place. 

oh, well, I'm sure the next crazy conspiracy that they come up with will absolutely be true. 

[icanthearyou 4,402]

When you begin by making the assertion that COVID is actually less dangerous than the "normal" flu, your credibility is immediately going to be called into question, for obvious reasons.

This is not health information.  This is the attempt to politicize something that is not political.  It is inhumane and ignorant.

 

[I_M4_AU 6,997]

1 hour ago, TexasTiger said:

Not a question of lies. More a question of tunnel vision with a singular focus and lack of balance, coupled with a context of folks fighting anything due to irrational tribalism, not 2 years of frustration. Folks like me that now would have little patience with extreme measures are different than the anti-vaxxers and a-holes harassing store clerks over masks. If a store ask that I wear a mask I either will politely do so or politely go elsewhere. It didn’t take two years of restrictions for the crazies to go crazy.

And if you’re referring to Fauci, he didn’t make the call for a single state— local leadership did. And most countries were far stricter than the USA was— not due to Fauci. Tribalists need someone to hate and blame.

Most people had a feeling that we needed to do what *the science* said early on in the pandemic.  Some of the stuff we were hearing early on was that the virus could live on cardboard for 2 days and food products needed to be disinfected before being put up.  Six feet social distancing was an arbitrary figure and I still see 6 ft markers on store floors.

Yes, I am referring to Fauci and no, he did make a call for any state, but what really happened is that he didn’t have to.  He had the power of the press and censorship of social media to back up everything he said.  That is real power.  There were doctors that pushed back on some of his ideas and were cancelled and their information forbidden to be spread.  Doctors were afraid to prescribe medicine that could have helped by were black balled by the FDA because of political reasons.

Other countries were listening to WHO and did not have the constitution the U.S. has and you saw some things that could not happen in this country.  The initial theory was *Zero Covid* and anybody with any sense knew that wasn’t going to happen. Even in island nations (New Zealand and Australia) couldn’t do it.  We tried here with the 2 weeks to slow the spread and continued it for almost 2 more years.

Fauci was selling a 90% vaccination rate and did not take into account natural immunity. The press and social media was right with him.  Nothing was said about obesity as an underling factor because it might make some people feel bad.  My God, just tell the truth.  

There are people on the fringe that will always be those type of people, but if you couldn’t think for yourself you would get frustrated.  We had a thread on this forum seriously discussing not offering hospital services if you were not vaccinated.

If the Republicans take over congress in November Fauci’s job will be in jeopardy and rightfully so.

[I_M4_AU 6,997]

11 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

This is the attempt to politicize something that is not political

This virus was politicized the second Joe Biden called it xenophobic to bar travel from China, the origination of the virus, and continued until November 4th of 2020.  Remember Biden saying Trump was responsible for 220,000 deaths and anybody that is responsible for that many deaths of Americans should not be President?

Think for yourself.

[icanthearyou 4,402]

6 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

This virus was politicized the second Joe Biden called it xenophobic to bar travel from China, the origination of the virus, and continued until November 4th of 2020.  Remember Biden saying Trump was responsible for 220,000 deaths and anybody that is responsible for that many deaths of Americans should not be President?

Think for yourself.

I agree. 

[CoffeeTiger 4,678]

Here's a past opinion editorial from the author of this piece from Feb. 2021. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-11613669731

 

He said at that time the science and data was telling him that natural immunity was becoming widespread and that Covid should be nearly completely gone by April 2021, and that the medical community should be "real" with people about the good news about natural immunity and how we were so close to getting back to normal!

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In the OP one of the things he wants the medical community to apologize for "ignoring natural immunity" 

I wonder if he's ever apologized for completely missing the mark on natural immunity himself? 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by CoffeeTiger

[I_M4_AU 6,997]

2 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

I wonder if he's ever apologized for completely missing the mark on natural immunity himself? 

If *the science* didn’t recognize natural immunity; how do you know he missed the mark?

[CoffeeTiger 4,678]

7 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

If *the science* didn’t recognize natural immunity; how do you know he missed the mark?

 

His argument was that the science was recognizing natural immunity and that the politics and medical community weren't telling the public about it.

 

And I know he missed the mark Because 15% vaccination rate and natural immunity by themselves didn't end the pandemic in April 2021 like he said it would. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by CoffeeTiger

[I_M4_AU 6,997]

1 minute ago, CoffeeTiger said:

 

His argument was that the science was recognizing natural immunity and that the politics and medical community weren't telling the public about it.

 

And I know he missed the mark Because 15% vaccination rate and natural immunity by themselves didn't end the pandemic in April 2021 like he said it would. 

Putting things in perspective; when he made that statement the Delta variant had not been discovered and that changed the whole thing as even Fauci admitted.  If the Delta variant did not emerge it could have ended, but it was obvious there would be a variant so the Doctor was incorrect, but *the science* refused to accept natural immunity going forward.

[jj3jordan 1,901]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Putting things in perspective; when he made that statement the Delta variant had not been discovered and that changed the whole thing as even Fauci admitted.  If the Delta variant did not emerge it could have ended, but it was obvious there would be a variant so the Doctor was incorrect, but *the science* refused to accept natural immunity going forward.

Yes the $cience.

[DKW 86 7,165]

6 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

This virus was politicized the second Joe Biden called it xenophobic to bar travel from China, the origination of the virus, and continued until November 4th of 2020.  Remember Biden saying Trump was responsible for 220,000 deaths and anybody that is responsible for that many deaths of Americans should not be President?

Think for yourself.

 

6 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

I agree. 

On Trump’s Last Full Day, Nation Records 400,000 Covid Deaths

Total Deaths

967,769

[DKW 86 7,165]

This is one of those Gas Price things. Did trump kill 400K people? No. But his opponents sure did ride that in the 2020 Election. Biden has now seen 568K Deaths on his watch. No one gives a damn....