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12 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Ah so we can’t manufacture without destroying the environment. That changes everything. Thanks for the truth for once ICHY.

Apparently it's ok for China to "ruin the environment" but America can't build a pipeline. Woke politics at its finest.

 

14 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

This is a lie.  They get a break because they are doing most of the world's manufacturing.

They get a break because they have Developing Nation status, which is ridiculous. Read it and weep: https://www.sullivan.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sullivan-senate-demand-un-end-chinas-charade-as-a-developing-nation If you don't like that link there are ten others on the same Google page that refer to China's Developing Nation status and how unfair it is for them to have such a status.. Maybe you should spend three minutes checking on a subject before you call someone's statement a lie.

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11 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Apparently it's ok for China to "ruin the environment" but America can't build a pipeline. Woke politics at its finest.

 

They get a break because they have Developing Nation status, which is ridiculous. Read it and weep: https://www.sullivan.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sullivan-senate-demand-un-end-chinas-charade-as-a-developing-nation If you don't like that link there are ten others on the same Google page that refer to China's Developing Nation status and how unfair it is for them to have such a status.. Maybe you should spend three minutes checking on a subject before you call someone's statement a lie.

No.  You are lying.  This has little to do with carbon emissions.  Try being honest, please.

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9 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

No.  You are lying.  This has little to do with carbon emissions.  Try being honest, please.

First you said I was lying when I stated that China had developing nation status. I proved that they do have such status. Now you are saying that China having developing nations status has little to do with carbon emissions? Get real, that's entirely what their status is about.

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21 minutes ago, Mikey said:

First you said I was lying when I stated that China had developing nation status. I proved that they do have such status. Now you are saying that China having developing nations status has little to do with carbon emissions? Get real, that's entirely what their status is about.

NO.  You continue to lie.  Carbon emissions are the result of energy consumption, not some politically crafted nation status.  Please think.

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17 hours ago, Mikey said:

The Chinese? Up until this past week, everything they did was met with "friendly competition" comments from Biden. We still give them a break on paying the great god Global Warming by calling them a developing nation. He's made no move against them that's even remotely as strong as they deserve.

Example: Letting their spy balloon gather up all it's evidence before finally shooting it down. I doubt that it would have been taken down when it was had their not been such a public outcry.

The truth is that until U.S. based corporations move manufacturing out of China, the government of the United States can only do so much, unless we declare China an enemy state and impose sanctions.  Imposing sanctions to that level will send the U.S. and world economy in a tail spin.  Even after 40 years of progress and improved conditions for the average Chinese citizen, they remain much more accustomed to hardships than Americans.  Americans are willing to change their elected officials over increased gas prices.  How quickly would they elect leaders that promise lower priced consumer products if the price of those products increased by 100 to 200%?

I'm not so confident that the average American really cares if Taiwan is independent or under Chinese rule.  Many characterize Ukraine's invasion by Russia to be a territorial dispute.  Is Taiwan less of a territorial dispute? The more divided we are as a nation, the weaker our position is internationally. 

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15 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Good retort. Consistent though. Thanks for advancing the discussion.

But you are unable to dispute.  Don't lie.  Thank you.

Calling out lies is advancing the discussion.

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5 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

But you are unable to dispute.  Don't lie.  Thank you.

Calling out lies is advancing the discussion.

You did not call out a lie. Just the usual 2nd grade insult. There is nothing to dispute. China is getting a pass on climate change from Joe. They have him by the short hairs. He is helpless. 

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13 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

You did not call out a lie. Just the usual 2nd grade insult. There is nothing to dispute. China is getting a pass on climate change from Joe. They have him by the short hairs. He is helpless. 

this may or may not be true jj but did biden not protect some kind of silicone valley stuff so the chineese cannot copy it or something like that. it was stated china would have to purchase whatever it was from america. this was a while back and they made it seem like a big deal? economics has never interested me also as an aside i am pretty sure ichy is stating a fact as i have never seen him calling names and stuff jj.

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13 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

You did not call out a lie. Just the usual 2nd grade insult. There is nothing to dispute. China is getting a pass on climate change from Joe. They have him by the short hairs. He is helpless. 

No.  That is a lie,,, no matter how many times you say it (without any evidence).  Manufacturing requires energy consumption. 

 

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44 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

no matter how many times you say it (without any evidence).  Manufacturing requires energy consumption. 

I provided direct evidence that China receives Developing Nation Status from the UN. They do, period. That's not even questionable. You say that's a lie. Grow up.

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4 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I provided direct evidence that China receives Developing Nation Status from the UN. They do, period. That's not even questionable. You say that's a lie. Grow up.

You are lying again.  Developing nation status was never questioned.  Please become honest.

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22 hours ago, AU9377 said:

The truth is that until U.S. based corporations move manufacturing out of China, the government of the United States can only do so much, unless we declare China an enemy state and impose sanctions.  Imposing sanctions to that level will send the U.S. and world economy in a tail spin.  Even after 40 years of progress and improved conditions for the average Chinese citizen, they remain much more accustomed to hardships than Americans.  Americans are willing to change their elected officials over increased gas prices.  How quickly would they elect leaders that promise lower priced consumer products if the price of those products increased by 100 to 200%?

I'm not so confident that the average American really cares if Taiwan is independent or under Chinese rule.  Many characterize Ukraine's invasion by Russia to be a territorial dispute.  Is Taiwan less of a territorial dispute? The more divided we are as a nation, the weaker our position is internationally. 

While most of what you say is true, Biden projecting weakness has emboldened the Communist Chinese. U.S. corporations do need to be moving out of China. We won't need China's raw materials if/when  the over-zealous EPA is pulled in and American industry is set free, at least free enough to produce what we have and need here.

We care more about Taiwan, at least those who have paid attention do, because while we import few necessities from Ukraine, Taiwan produces things (chips) that we need

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7 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

You are lying again.  Developing nation status was never questioned.  Please become honest.

Wiggle, wiggle little worm. You got hooked. Your responses are getting really funny.

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7 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Wiggle, wiggle little worm. You got hooked. Your responses are getting really funny.

Hardly.  You are being dishonest,,, once again.

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1 hour ago, Mikey said:

While most of what you say is true, Biden projecting weakness has emboldened the Communist Chinese. U.S. corporations do need to be moving out of China. We won't need China's raw materials if/when  the over-zealous EPA is pulled in and American industry is set free, at least free enough to produce what we have and need here.

We care more about Taiwan, at least those who have paid attention do, because while we import few necessities from Ukraine, Taiwan produces things (chips) that we need

They produce chips, yes, but that is an easily moved manufacturing product.  If we don't support the Ukraine fight for their ability to govern themselves, The entire West, including the U.S., would be announcing that we no longer support democracy.  How does a country justify 20 years of occupation and trillions of dollars spent in Afghanistan, while not helping a country of men and women that are fighting for themselves in Ukraine?  

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4 hours ago, Mikey said:

Wiggle, wiggle little worm. You got hooked. Your responses are getting really funny.

Your narrative is built upon nothing but bias and prejudice.  China isn't trying to exploit their status as a developing nation.  They certainly aren't getting advice or help from Democrats.

China may produce more carbon than any other country but,,, they DO most of the worlds manufacturing.  China is working to eliminate coal and, reduce all emissions.  China is trying to reform it's role in developing other nations. 

Again, stop spreading lies and misinformation.

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https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/

CO2 Emissions by Country

 
# Country CO2 Emissions
(tons, 2016)
1 Year
Change
Population
(2016)
Per
capita
Share
of world
1 China 10,432,751,400 -0.28% 1,414,049,351 7.38 29.18%
2 United States 5,011,686,600 -2.01% 323,015,995 15.52 14.02%
3 India 2,533,638,100 4.71% 1,324,517,249 1.91 7.09%
4 Russia 1,661,899,300 -2.13% 145,275,383 11.44 4.65%
5 Japan 1,239,592,060 -1.21% 127,763,265 9.70 3.47%
6 Germany 775,752,190 1.28% 82,193,768 9.44 2.17%
7 Canada 675,918,610 -1.00% 36,382,944 18.58 1.89%
8 Iran 642,560,030 2.22% 79,563,989 8.08 1.80%
9 South Korea 604,043,830 0.45% 50,983,457 11.85 1.69%
10 Indonesia 530,035,650 6.41% 261,556,381 2.03 1.48%
11 Saudi Arabia 517,079,407 0.92% 32,443,447 15.94 1.45%
12 Brazil 462,994,920 -6.08% 206,163,053 2.25 1.29%
13 Mexico 441,412,750 -2.13% 123,333,376 3.58 1.23%
14 Australia 414,988,700 -0.98% 24,262,712 17.10 1.16%
15 South Africa 390,557,850 -0.49% 56,207,646 6.95 1.09%
16 Turkey 368,122,740 5.25% 79,827,871 4.61 1.03%
17 United Kingdom 367,860,350 -6.38% 66,297,944 5.55 1.03%
18 Italy 358,139,550 0.84% 60,663,060 5.90 1.00%
19 France 331,533,320 2.11% 64,667,596 5.13 0.93%
20 Poland 296,659,670 2.67% 37,989,220 7.81 0.83%
21 Taiwan 276,724,868 1.91% 23,618,200 11.72 0.77%
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6 hours ago, AU9377 said:

They produce chips, yes, but that is an easily moved manufacturing product.  If we don't support the Ukraine fight for their ability to govern themselves, The entire West, including the U.S., would be announcing that we no longer support democracy.  How does a country justify 20 years of occupation and trillions of dollars spent in Afghanistan, while not helping a country of men and women that are fighting for themselves in Ukraine?  

Because it’s only one of the most corrupt countries in the world.    

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16 hours ago, aubaseball said:

Because it’s only one of the most corrupt countries in the world.    

You can pick our own past apart and draw the same conclusion.  That doesn't change the fact that they have been attacked by Russia without provocation and are being subjected to war crimes simply because they insist on not bending the knee.  Their citizens dare to insist on individual rights and dare to demand that Russia respect their borders.  Russia's claim to Ukraine is weaker than Hitler's claim to all of Europe and neither is based on actual historical validity.

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3 hours ago, Mikey said:

How many laughs does this get? I'm guessing two per week for a year. LMAO! https://energyandcleanair.org/publication/china-permits-two-new-coal-power-plants-per-week-in-2022/

You might want to read before assuming.  This report states that it does not include decommissions or green energy investments and therefore, makes no determination on China meeting it's carbon emission goals.

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On 3/19/2023 at 1:38 PM, icanthearyou said:

I understand this is what you suspect.  However, you have stated as though it is fact.  So, could you at least offer some supporting evidence?

Funny how that works and the hypocrisy of that comment. Do you realize how many times you have called someone a liar in this one thread without credible proof?

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19 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country/

CO2 Emissions by Country

Search:
 
# Country CO2 Emissions
(tons, 2016)
1 Year
Change
Population
(2016)
Per
capita
Share
of world
1 China 10,432,751,400 -0.28% 1,414,049,351 7.38 29.18%
2 United States 5,011,686,600 -2.01% 323,015,995 15.52 14.02%
3 India 2,533,638,100 4.71% 1,324,517,249 1.91 7.09%
4 Russia 1,661,899,300 -2.13% 145,275,383 11.44 4.65%
5 Japan 1,239,592,060 -1.21% 127,763,265 9.70 3.47%
6 Germany 775,752,190 1.28% 82,193,768 9.44 2.17%
7 Canada 675,918,610 -1.00% 36,382,944 18.58 1.89%
8 Iran 642,560,030 2.22% 79,563,989 8.08 1.80%
9 South Korea 604,043,830 0.45% 50,983,457 11.85 1.69%
10 Indonesia 530,035,650 6.41% 261,556,381 2.03 1.48%
11 Saudi Arabia 517,079,407 0.92% 32,443,447 15.94 1.45%
12 Brazil 462,994,920 -6.08% 206,163,053 2.25 1.29%
13 Mexico 441,412,750 -2.13% 123,333,376 3.58 1.23%
14 Australia 414,988,700 -0.98% 24,262,712 17.10 1.16%
15 South Africa 390,557,850 -0.49% 56,207,646 6.95 1.09%
16 Turkey 368,122,740 5.25% 79,827,871 4.61 1.03%
17 United Kingdom 367,860,350 -6.38% 66,297,944 5.55 1.03%
18 Italy 358,139,550 0.84% 60,663,060 5.90 1.00%
19 France 331,533,320 2.11% 64,667,596 5.13 0.93%
20 Poland 296,659,670 2.67% 37,989,220 7.81 0.83%
21 Taiwan 276,724,868 1.91% 23,618,200 11.72 0.77%

Keep in mind that the only fair way to evaluate and compare countries greenhouse emissions "performance" is to normalize the data - i.e.:  use the per capita values.

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On 3/21/2023 at 10:58 AM, Mikey said:

While most of what you say is true, Biden projecting weakness has emboldened the Communist Chinese. U.S. corporations do need to be moving out of China. We won't need China's raw materials if/when  the over-zealous EPA is pulled in and American industry is set free, at least free enough to produce what we have and need here.

We care more about Taiwan, at least those who have paid attention do, because while we import few necessities from Ukraine, Taiwan produces things (chips) that we need

How has Biden "projected weakness"?

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