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The liberal left's politicization of human suffering in Katrina's wake is beneath disgraceful.

"No tragedy is so horrific, no calamity so sad, that somebody can't reduce it to politics. Hurricane Katrina was a tragedy for most of us, but a gift of the gods to the kingdom of the left, where everyone gets up every morning eager to count the ways to despise George W. Bush" — Wesley Pruden

Here is a statement from the President and several quotes from the left.

"This is one of these disasters that will test our soul and test our spirit. But we're going to show the world, once again, that not only will we survive, but that we will be stronger and better for it when it's all said and done, that amidst this darkness, there is light. And I want to thank you all for providing light, immediate light to people who needed help. You make your state and your local governments and your country proud... Americans can be certain our nation has the character, the resources and the resolve to overcome this disaster. We will comfort and care for the victims. We will restore the towns and neighborhoods that have been lost in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. rebuild the great city of New Orleans. And we'll once again show the world that the worst adversities bring out the best in America." — President George W. Bush in Louisiana

"What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out and those people who were impoverished died." — Teddy Kennedy (D-Chappaquiddick), unwittingly reminding us of Mary Jo Kopechne's fate.

"When [President Bush] tours the Gulf region...I hope he will stand on a pile of rubble [as he did after 9/11]. And he will look up to the heavens and say to God, 'You're responsible for this. And soon you will hear from us'." — Illinois Demo-gogue Je$$e Jack$on, Jr.

"These are sons and daughters of slaves." — The Congressional Black Caucus's Diane Watson

It is racist to call American citizens refugees... This looks like the hull of a slave ship." — the Ir-"Rev." Je$$e Jack$on

"The real question is not only those that didn't get out. The question is: why has it taken the government so long to get in. I feel that, if it was in another area, with another economic strata(sic) and racial makeup, that President Bush would have run out of Crawford a lot quicker and FEMA would have found its way in a lot sooner." — Al $harpton

"If the majority of the folks left behind were white individuals, and most of the folks who were able to escape on their own were African Americans, then I wouldn't be sitting here right now. This is a racial story." — NAACP attorney Damon Hewitt, apparently oblivious to the fact that 80 percent of New Orleans residents are black, and the vast majority of them did "escape on their own."

"There are people dying and [the US government is] not putting the boats in the water, I think that's criminal negligence. I don't think anybody ever anticipated the criminal negligence of the Bush administration in this situation." — Sean Penn

"C'mon, they're black!... Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days?" — Michael Moore-on

"I hate the way they portray us in the media. If you see a black family, it says they're looting. See a white family, it says they're looking for food... They've given them permission to go down and shoot us... George Bush doesn't care about black people." — paranoid rapper Kanye West, going way "off script" (according to NBC) during Friday night's "benefit concert," ostensibly for hurricane victims

"You know, some people are stealing and they're making a big deal out of it. Oh, they're stealing 20 pair of jeans or they're stealing television sets. Who cares?... Maybe those people are so poor, some of the people who do that they're so poor they've never touched anything in their lives. Let them touch those things for once." — Celine Dion

"To Me, It Just Seems Like Black People Are Marked" — Washington Post headline quoting a black hurricane survivor.

"[Katrina will] necessitate a national discussion on race, on oil, politics, class, infrastructure, the environment, and more." —MSNBC's Brian Williams

"The slow response to the victims of Hurricane Katrina has led to questions about race, poverty, and a seemingly indifferent government." — ABC's Ted Koppel

Memo to Ted: The "indifferent government" of the State of Louisiana has been under Democrat rule for 60 years.

"Tragically, so many of these people, almost all of them that we see, are so black, and this is gonna raise lots of questions for people who are watching this story unfold." — CNN's Wolf Blitzer

Memo to Wolf: Are we to conclude it would've been less tragic if they were middle class Asians, Hispanics or Anglos...?

"Do you think black America's sitting there thinking, if these were middle-class white people, there would be cruise ships in New Orleans, not the Superdome?... Do you think the reason that they're not there or the food is not there or the cruise ships aren't there or all this stuff that you believe should be there, isn't this a matter of race and/or class?" — CNN anchor Aaron Brown, telling a question to Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones

"Despite the many angles of this tragedy...there is a great big elephant in the living room that the media seems content to ignore. [We] in the media are ignoring the fact that almost all of the victims in New Orleans are black and poor." — CNN's Jack Cafferty confusing "white elephants" with "800-pound gorillas."

Memo to Jack: Check out Wolf and Aaron.

"[if Katrina's victims were white] they would not have gone for days without food and water, forcing many to steal for mere survival. Their bodies would not have been left to float in putrid water. They would have been rescued and relocated a hell of a lot faster than this. Period." — CBS's Nancy Giles

"It's not a nice topic, it's about race, you know, it's about class, it's about poverty, it's about screw-ups, it's not a happy topic." —MSNBC's Chris Matthews

Memo to Chris: It's a hurricane. It's not supposed to be a "happy topic."

http://federalistpatriot.us/pub/05-36_Digest.htm

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Memo to Ted: The "indifferent government" of the State of Louisiana has been under Democrat rule for 60 years.

Memo to the moron who wrote this piece, the State of Louisiana has had Republican Governors for the majority of the last 25 years. But Ted didn't actually get partisan like this hack-- he just said the government was indifferent.

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Memo to Tex.

By and large the State of Louisiana is and has been governed by democrats.

Currently there is Kathleen Blanco, Democrat

Previously there was Edwin Washington Edwards (born 7 August 1927) is a United States Democrat politician who served as governor of Louisiana for four terms (1972 - 1980, 1984 - 1988 and 1992 - 1996), more terms than any other Louisiana governor.

Between Edwards and Blanco, that pretty much burns your "last 25 year" statement doesn't it.

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Memo to Tex.

By and large the State of Louisiana is and has been governed by democrats.

Currently there is Kathleen Blanco, Democrat

 

Previously there was Edwin Washington Edwards (born 7 August 1927) is a United States Democrat politician who served as governor of Louisiana for four terms (1972 - 1980, 1984 - 1988 and 1992 - 1996), more terms than any other Louisiana governor.

Between Edwards and Blanco, that pretty much burns your "last 25 year" statement doesn't it.

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Nope. Last 25 years, i.e. 1980-2005:

Look it up:

http://www.sec.state.la.us/gov-1877.htm

Treen, Roemer and Foster.

Before 1980, Republican Governors were hard to come by in the South. BTW, in 1991, Louisianans held their noses and voted for Edwards again as an alternative to the Republican nominee-- David Duke.

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TT, I love how you try to divert from the main focus of the thread. You pick out one thing to focus on, instead of attempting to defend all the left leaning comments. Whys that? Maybe because it is pretty dang hard to defend when it comes straight from their mouths. Instead, you choose to debate on how many democrat and republican governors the state or LA has had in the last 25 years, even though TM's exact comment was in reference to the last 60 years. BTW, going by my math and TM's list of governors and their terms, it looks pretty evenly split for the parties (3 dems and 3 republicans).

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TT, I love how you try to divert from the main focus of the thread. You pick out one thing to focus on, instead of attempting to defend all the left leaning comments. Whys that? Maybe because it is pretty dang hard to defend when it comes straight from their mouths. Instead, you choose to debate on how many democrat and republican governors the state or LA has had in the last 25 years, even though TM's exact comment was in reference to the last 60 years. BTW, going by my math and TM's list of governors and their terms, it looks pretty evenly split for the parties (3 dems and 3 republicans).

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It wasn't TM's comment, it was a linked post. I'm not going to waste alot of time on it. I just focused on one obvious factual misstatement. The rest is mostly opinion. It's like the whole "Blame game" aimed at Blanco. She wasn't too impressive and one can legitimately criticize her, but what we first hear is that she didn't ask for help until days after and that is just demonstrably untrue, as a previous thread demonstrated.

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Once again you are deflecting and changing the subject. There is not one quote from Governor Blanco, not one in the original post. All quotes are from national democrats. From the movers and shakers and leaders of the democrat party.

There is a statement that President Bush made and statements that your democrat leaders have made. One is positive the others are ignorant at best but all are malicious misleading and self serving in tone and content. Either defend or refute what your democrat leaders are saying, the quotes are there.

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Once again you are deflecting and changing the subject.  There is not one quote from Governor Blanco, not one in the original post.  All quotes are from national democrats.  From the movers and shakers and leaders of the democrat party.

There is a statement that President Bush made and statements that your democrat leaders have made.  One is positive the others are ignorant at best but all are malicious misleading and self serving in tone and content.  Either defend or refute what your democrat leaders are saying, the quotes are there.

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Does this mean you think everyone of the quotes is untrue?

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Once again you are deflecting and changing the subject.  There is not one quote from Governor Blanco, not one in the original post.  All quotes are from national democrats.  From the movers and shakers and leaders of the democrat party.

There is a statement that President Bush made and statements that your democrat leaders have made.  One is positive the others are ignorant at best but all are malicious misleading and self serving in tone and content.  Either defend or refute what your democrat leaders are saying, the quotes are there.

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Does this mean you think everyone of the quotes is untrue?

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I didn't say any of them were untrue. There they are if you are saying any or all of them are untrue, provide the correct statements. If the dems didn't say what they are quoted as saying, show me where the quotes are wrong.

Do you agree with the statements from the dems?

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I saw some pictures of unclaimed kids from New Orleans day before yesterday on the news. Out of the 12 children they showed, 5 of them were white! I was stunned. I thought only black people were affected by this hurricane.

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Once again you are deflecting and changing the subject.  There is not one quote from Governor Blanco, not one in the original post.  All quotes are from national democrats.  From the movers and shakers and leaders of the democrat party.

There is a statement that President Bush made and statements that your democrat leaders have made.  One is positive the others are ignorant at best but all are malicious misleading and self serving in tone and content.  Either defend or refute what your democrat leaders are saying, the quotes are there.

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Does this mean you think everyone of the quotes is untrue?

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I didn't say any of them were untrue. There they are if you are saying any or all of them are untrue, provide the correct statements. If the dems didn't say what they are quoted as saying, show me where the quotes are wrong.

Do you agree with the statements from the dems?

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Well, for starters, there's certainly alot of truth in this one:

"What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out and those people who were impoverished died."

Some people with the means to leave did not, but those most who stayed were the least well off. What is so controversial about that statement?

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How about the local government that issued a mandatory evacuation and then did not provide the have-nots the means with which to leave? Is that Bush's fault somehow? Or is the mayor a racist? Oh, wait, he can't be a racist since he isn't white.

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How about the local government that issued a mandatory evacuation and then did not provide the have-nots the means with which to leave?  Is that Bush's fault somehow?  Or is the mayor a racist?  Oh, wait, he can't be a racist since he isn't white.

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When did I say the evacuation was Bush's fault? I frankly don't think any massive evacuation of those who couldn't leave themselves was terribly feasible under these circumstances. From what I've heard, the mostly female regular drivers didn't want to do it, there still weren't enough buses to get over half those remaining out and where do they go before the storm? Who opens their arms before a possible catastrophe? And what if the storm changes course and hits the buses heading west? Or east?

There was no easy way to prevent the poorest from being the most afflicted, but, nonetheless, isn't this a simple statement of reality?

"What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out and those people who were impoverished died."

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You personally haven't said it, TT, but it has been a repeated complaint that this whole thing is somehow Bush's fault. I shouldn't stereotype the Democrats, but I am guilty of it sometimes. I admit it.

As far as the quote that you cited, whose fault is that? The people who lived there? Hard to blame victims. The local govenment? Probably. Bush? No way. There are poor people in places other than New Orleans and guess what? They were there during the Clinton administration also.

So, just what did you to accomplish by the use of that quote? And where do you place blame for the "incredible disparity"?

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You personally haven't said it, TT, but it has been a repeated complaint that this whole thing is somehow Bush's fault.  I shouldn't stereotype the Democrats, but I am guilty of it sometimes.  I admit it. 

As far as the quote that you cited, whose fault is that?  The people who lived there?  Hard to blame victims.  The local govenment?  Probably.  Bush?  No way.  There are poor people in places other than New Orleans and guess what?  They were there during the Clinton administration also. 

So, just what did you to accomplish by the use of that quote?  And where do you place blame for the "incredible disparity"?

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I didn't "blame" anyone in particular. It is obviously a complicated issue. Still, it is somewhat striking when economic means largely determines who lives and who dies in a disaster. That is worthy of notice and worthy of meaningful discussion. Not likely to happen here, though.

This is so typical of the insane "reasoning" by some of you guys on this forum. Tigermike lists a string of quotes and demands a response. I respond to his first quote by a Dem and you demand to know "what did you to accomplish by the use of that quote?" Now it is somehow my decision to post a quote posted by Tigermike? This is a great illustration why so little meaningful discourse takes place on this forum.

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Once again you are deflecting and changing the subject.  There is not one quote from Governor Blanco, not one in the original post.  All quotes are from national democrats.  From the movers and shakers and leaders of the democrat party.

There is a statement that President Bush made and statements that your democrat leaders have made.  One is positive the others are ignorant at best but all are malicious misleading and self serving in tone and content.  Either defend or refute what your democrat leaders are saying, the quotes are there.

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Does this mean you think everyone of the quotes is untrue?

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I didn't say any of them were untrue. There they are if you are saying any or all of them are untrue, provide the correct statements. If the dems didn't say what they are quoted as saying, show me where the quotes are wrong.

Do you agree with the statements from the dems?

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Well, for starters, there's certainly alot of truth in this one:

"What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out and those people who were impoverished died."

Some people with the means to leave did not, but those most who stayed were the least well off. What is so controversial about that statement?

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Like all great liars, Teddy will sprinkle a little truth with half truths, innuendo and out and out lies. Does that make the statement all true or all false?

You say what is so controversial about that statement? Why don't you tell us what exactly Teddy was saying. Did he mean what he said or is there another meaning that is not race baiting and an impassioned appeal to the emotions and prejudices of the populace?

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You personally haven't said it, TT, but it has been a repeated complaint that this whole thing is somehow Bush's fault.  I shouldn't stereotype the Democrats, but I am guilty of it sometimes.  I admit it. 

As far as the quote that you cited, whose fault is that?  The people who lived there?  Hard to blame victims.  The local govenment?  Probably.  Bush?  No way.  There are poor people in places other than New Orleans and guess what?  They were there during the Clinton administration also. 

So, just what did you to accomplish by the use of that quote?  And where do you place blame for the "incredible disparity"?

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I didn't "blame" anyone in particular. It is obviously a complicated issue. Still, it is somewhat striking when economic means largely determines who lives and who dies in a disaster. That is worthy of notice and worthy of meaningful discussion. Not likely to happen here, though.

This is so typical of the insane "reasoning" by some of you guys on this forum. Tigermike lists a string of quotes and demands a response. I respond to his first quote by a Dem and you demand to know "what did you to accomplish by the use of that quote?" Now it is somehow my decision to post a quote posted by Tigermike? This is a great illustration why so little meaningful discourse takes place on this forum.

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I bet that is not the first lie you have told today.

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You personally haven't said it, TT, but it has been a repeated complaint that this whole thing is somehow Bush's fault.  I shouldn't stereotype the Democrats, but I am guilty of it sometimes.  I admit it. 

As far as the quote that you cited, whose fault is that?  The people who lived there?  Hard to blame victims.  The local govenment?  Probably.  Bush?  No way.  There are poor people in places other than New Orleans and guess what?  They were there during the Clinton administration also. 

So, just what did you to accomplish by the use of that quote?  And where do you place blame for the "incredible disparity"?

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I didn't "blame" anyone in particular. It is obviously a complicated issue. Still, it is somewhat striking when economic means largely determines who lives and who dies in a disaster. That is worthy of notice and worthy of meaningful discussion. Not likely to happen here, though.

This is so typical of the insane "reasoning" by some of you guys on this forum. Tigermike lists a string of quotes and demands a response. I respond to his first quote by a Dem and you demand to know "what did you to accomplish by the use of that quote?" Now it is somehow my decision to post a quote posted by Tigermike? This is a great illustration why so little meaningful discourse takes place on this forum.

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No, you said that there was truth in that quote. I am asking who is to blame. Dems and the media are quick to assign blame when often there is none OR there is more than enough to go around. Who says that economic demographics determine who lives and who dies in a disaster? If I have the means, I am getting my family out of a danger area. Even if I didn't have a car, you can bet that I would be finding some way out, not relying on a government, local, state, federal or otherwise, to "take care of me". Yes, the government has a responsibility to protect its citizens, but to what degree? There was information that this storm was coming for several days. When it became apparent that the government wasn't going to give me a ride, I would have been hitting the road with whatever I could muster of my belongings and my family. I understand that health problems and other issues kept some from doing this. Others made a choice, rich or poor, to stay and ride it out.

It was a difficult and complicated issue, no doubt. But to politicize it at this point andmake it a wedge between the haves and have nots is a travesty.

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Whatever the shortcomings of the federal response to Katrina — and there were many — the fact is that the plight of the abandoned poor in New Orleans says far more about that city and the state of Louisiana than about America generally. The city had evacuation plans it failed to follow even as local leaders warned that their worst fears were coming true. They did not ask for help in a timely fashion, and then they immediately blamed the feds when they didn't get the immediate help they didn't immediately ask for!

Once again you are deflecting and changing the subject.  There is not one quote from Governor Blanco, not one in the original post.  All quotes are from national democrats.  From the movers and shakers and leaders of the democrat party.

There is a statement that President Bush made and statements that your democrat leaders have made.  One is positive the others are ignorant at best but all are malicious misleading and self serving in tone and content.  Either defend or refute what your democrat leaders are saying, the quotes are there.

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Does this mean you think everyone of the quotes is untrue?

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I didn't say any of them were untrue. There they are if you are saying any or all of them are untrue, provide the correct statements. If the dems didn't say what they are quoted as saying, show me where the quotes are wrong.

Do you agree with the statements from the dems?

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Well, for starters, there's certainly alot of truth in this one:

"What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out and those people who were impoverished died."

Some people with the means to leave did not, but those most who stayed were the least well off. What is so controversial about that statement?

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Then there is Teddy Kennedy making statements like the one above and you wanting to portray it as fact and great insight.

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You personally haven't said it, TT, but it has been a repeated complaint that this whole thing is somehow Bush's fault.  I shouldn't stereotype the Democrats, but I am guilty of it sometimes.  I admit it. 

As far as the quote that you cited, whose fault is that?  The people who lived there?  Hard to blame victims.  The local govenment?  Probably.  Bush?  No way.  There are poor people in places other than New Orleans and guess what?  They were there during the Clinton administration also. 

So, just what did you to accomplish by the use of that quote?  And where do you place blame for the "incredible disparity"?

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I didn't "blame" anyone in particular. It is obviously a complicated issue. Still, it is somewhat striking when economic means largely determines who lives and who dies in a disaster. That is worthy of notice and worthy of meaningful discussion. Not likely to happen here, though.

This is so typical of the insane "reasoning" by some of you guys on this forum. Tigermike lists a string of quotes and demands a response. I respond to his first quote by a Dem and you demand to know "what did you to accomplish by the use of that quote?" Now it is somehow my decision to post a quote posted by Tigermike? This is a great illustration why so little meaningful discourse takes place on this forum.

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I bet that is not the first lie you have told today.

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Thanks for further illustrating my point.

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One question. WHY is it that we are not seeing the plight of the WHITE people in the effected areas? Not many pictures of WHITE people in Miss. and Al. that have lost everything. I guess the liberal media doesn't CARE about WHITE people. :no:

(This is called being absurd by pointing out the ABSURD.) :P

IT is all about the left's PURE HATE for President Bush. That is it...period.

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One question. WHY is it that we are not seeing the plight of the WHITE people in the effected areas? Not many pictures of WHITE people in Miss. and Al. that have lost everything. I guess the liberal media doesn't CARE about WHITE people. :no:

(This is called being absurd by pointing out the ABSURD.) :P

IT is all about the left's PURE HATE for President Bush. That is it...period.

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I've seen 'em quite a bit. What are you watching? ESPN? ;)

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<!--QuoteBegin-Tigermike+Sep 12 2005, 12:03 AM

President's words updated by TexasTiger--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tigermike @ Sep 12 2005, 12:03 AM

</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->

Here is a statement from the President and several quotes from the left.

"That poverty has roots in a history of racial discrimination, which cut off generations from the opportunity of America. We have a duty to confront this poverty with bold action. So let us restore all that we have cherished from yesterday, and let us rise above the legacy of inequality." — President George W. Bush in Louisiana

"What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out and those people who were impoverished died." — Teddy Kennedy (D-Chappaquiddick), unwittingly reminding us of Mary Jo Kopechne's fate.

"These are sons and daughters of slaves." — The Congressional Black Caucus's Diane Watson

"[Katrina will] necessitate a national discussion on race, on oil, politics, class, infrastructure, the environment, and more." —MSNBC's Brian Williams

"The slow response to the victims of Hurricane Katrina has led to questions about race, poverty, and a seemingly indifferent government." — ABC's Ted Koppel

"Tragically, so many of these people, almost all of them that we see, are so black, and this is gonna raise lots of questions for people who are watching this story unfold." — CNN's Wolf Blitzer

"Despite the many angles of this tragedy...there is a great big elephant in the living room that the media seems content to ignore. [We] in the media are ignoring the fact that almost all of the victims in New Orleans are black and poor." — CNN's Jack Cafferty

"It's not a nice topic, it's about race, you know, it's about class, it's about poverty, it's about screw-ups, it's not a happy topic." —MSNBC's Chris Matthews

http://federalistpatriot.us/pub/05-36_Digest.htm

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<!--QuoteBegin-Tigermike+Sep 12 2005, 12:03 AM

President's words updated by TexasTiger--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tigermike @ Sep 12 2005, 12:03 AM

</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->

Here is a statement from the President and several quotes from the left.

"That poverty has roots in a history of racial discrimination, which cut off generations from the opportunity of America. We have a duty to confront this poverty with bold action. So let us restore all that we have cherished from yesterday, and let us rise above the legacy of inequality." — President George W. Bush in Louisiana

"What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out and those people who were impoverished died." — Teddy Kennedy (D-Chappaquiddick), unwittingly reminding us of Mary Jo Kopechne's fate.

"These are sons and daughters of slaves." — The Congressional Black Caucus's Diane Watson

"[Katrina will] necessitate a national discussion on race, on oil, politics, class, infrastructure, the environment, and more." —MSNBC's Brian Williams

"The slow response to the victims of Hurricane Katrina has led to questions about race, poverty, and a seemingly indifferent government." — ABC's Ted Koppel

"Tragically, so many of these people, almost all of them that we see, are so black, and this is gonna raise lots of questions for people who are watching this story unfold." — CNN's Wolf Blitzer

"Despite the many angles of this tragedy...there is a great big elephant in the living room that the media seems content to ignore. [We] in the media are ignoring the fact that almost all of the victims in New Orleans are black and poor." — CNN's Jack Cafferty

"It's not a nice topic, it's about race, you know, it's about class, it's about poverty, it's about screw-ups, it's not a happy topic." —MSNBC's Chris Matthews

http://federalistpatriot.us/pub/05-36_Digest.htm

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And the point of any of this ?

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The point is clear, Raptor. This is all thinly veiled dem-speak that translates to "George Bush doesn't doesn't like poor people, especially poor black ones. Vote democrat in 2008!"

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