CAUTION: Those who can't handle the truth

[TexasTiger 14,547]

The Republican strategy laid bare:

Consider one memo highlighted in a Capitol Hill hearing Wednesday that Scanlon, a former aide to Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Tx., sent the Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana to describe his strategy for protecting the tribe's gambling business. In plain terms, Scanlon confessed the source code of recent Republican electoral victories: target religious conservatives, distract everyone else, and then railroad through complex initiatives.

"The wackos get their information through the Christian right, Christian radio, mail, the internet and telephone trees," Scanlon wrote in the memo, which was read into the public record at a hearing of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee. "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/11/03/abramoff/

[WarTim 3,534]

It is fun to watch the libby's pitch a fit because Carl R. wasn't charged with anything. Darn it!

[TexasTiger 14,547]

It is fun to watch the libby's pitch a fit because Carl R. wasn't charged with anything. Darn it!

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And War Tim extends his AU Nation record of not responding to the actual post!!

[AURaptor 1,137]

No more shocking than what the Dems are plotting behind closed doors....

An interesting little memo prepared by the Democratic staff of the Senate Intelligence Committee has surfaced in Washington.  The memo shows that the Democrats intended to use the Intelligence Committee as a political tool in next year's presidential elections.

The memo suggests that Democrats should "prepare to launch an investigation when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the majority.  We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation of the administration's use of intelligence at any time -- but we can only do so once ... the best time would probably be next year."

Democrats, of course, are trying to downplay the importance of this memo.  They are claiming that it was never adopted, it was prepared by a low-level staffer and is, therefore, of no importance.  Yeah, right.

This memo clearly shows that the Democrats intended to go along with the committee hearings on intelligence until the time was right for them to step forth with their demands for an independent investigation.  There was never any intention to work with the majority Republicans to find out the true story behind intelligence failures in the Middle East.  Just wait until the time is right, then pull that trigger on an independent investigation.  And why would next year probably be the best time?  Because it's a presidential election year, of course.

Lesson:  The Democrats intended to use the Senate Intelligence Committee as a 2004 campaign tool.  Hopefully you aren't surprised.  LINK

[DKW 86 7,956]

"The wackos get their information through the Biased Left Wing MSM TV, Air America Radio, mail, the internet and telephone trees," Dean wrote in the memo, which was read into the public record at a hearing of the Name of any public hearing entity. "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

Just change the words and you have the Left's motus operandi for the last 30+ years. They have used the same recipe for so long, it no longer gets the same effect. Example: 3-5 days before any national election, the Race Card will be played. Why? "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

Now days we still hear about the 2000 election. Why? "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

Now days we have learned that President Bush is to blame for everything that goes wrong, even if he wasnt born when it happened. Why? "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

Claim some ludicrously outrageous environmental disaster: Ted Danson, 1990: Link "The world's oceans will all be gone in ten years." Why? "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

Air America, Moveon.org and all the corrollary .coms, the ACLU, the Sierra Club, etc. All qualify as institutions that...."Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

[TexasTiger 14,547]

"The wackos get their information through the Biased Left Wing MSM TV, Air America Radio, mail, the internet and telephone trees," Dean wrote in the memo, which was read into the public record at a hearing of the Name of any public hearing entity. "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

Just change the words and you have the Left's motus operandi for the last 30+ years. They have used the same recipe for so long, it no longer gets the same effect. Example: 3-5 days before any national election, the Race Card will be played. Why? "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

Now days we still hear about the 2000 election. Why? "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

Now days we have learned that President Bush is to blame for everything that goes wrong, even if he wasnt born when it happened. Why? "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

Claim some ludicrously outrageous environmental disaster: Ted Danson, 1990: Link "The world's oceans will all be gone in ten years." Why? "Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

Air America, Moveon.org and all the corrollary .coms, the ACLU, the Sierra Club, etc. All qualify as institutions that...."Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them."

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Well, other than the Danson "example", which was pretty weak and aimed at a pretty small audience, you don't really identify a specific event. You are also lying by indicating that he said that quote-- your own link doesn't even attribute that quote to him and a google search of the quote yields zero results. Why don't you try to find an actual source.

But even so, there is a difference in attempting to motivate your base about something you really believe and cynically motivating a base that you don't even respect. The difference is, you as the Republican are referring to these liberal groups as whackos-- Danson didn't. In the actual real-life memo I referenced, the Republican operative characterized his "base" as whackos. That is the height of cynicism and hypocrisy. It shows how much folks like you are being manipulated and played. You're so brainwashed, even when faced with the evidence you go on a knee-jerk defense of those who see you as a "whacko" while asking for your vote.

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I find it interesting to see your rebuttal of DKW while all the while you take one apparently crooked Republican and his memo and attempt to connect the whole group to that strategy. And before you go claiming I am brainwashed, yadda-yadda... You know good and well I am not a Republican. Conservative - yes. And I am not defending DeLay.

To act like politicians "motivating a base that (they) don't even respect" is only a Republican thing, you may be the one who is brainwashed. For every "R" like this I will guarantee you there is a "D" like this. Just because it hasn't been picked up by the press doesn't make it a myth.

It shows how much "folks like you are being manipulated and played" that as soon as this comes out, you go to the message boards and blogs and paint the "other side" as being this way because one said something stupid. It's a "knee-jerk" reaction by many like you that are still looking for the political "win" against Bush or Rove or some other opponent or all of them.

And, that is about all this forum has become. R/D and C/L Very little real discussion and a bunch of "scoring attempts."

All this being said, I think DeLay is looking more guilty by the day. That's just a gut feeling I have, but that comes on limited information on my part. I haven't had much time to pay it - or any politics at this time - due to more important things in my life. Imagine that! I say let the trial play out and let us go about our business. If he's guilty, make him pay. If he is innocent...well, he has already paid.

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I think DeLay is looking more guilty by the day. That's just a gut feeling I have, but that comes on limited information on my part. I haven't had much time to pay it - or any politics at this time - due to more important things in my life. Imagine that! rolleyes.gif I say let the trial play out and let us go about our business. If he's guilty, make him pay. If he is innocent...well, he has already paid.

Interesting that you speak of the 'gut feeling' you have in regards to Delay, but then follow that up by saying you've not paid much attention to politics. Curious, from where does you 'gut feeling' get its origin? I'm guessing you catch bits and pieces of news from the mainstream media, a headline here or there, and even if you're not sitting down and actually reading any articles, your mind is being subjected to a very biased, Left wing view of all of this. Is Delay guilty? Maybe, maybe not. We'll find out. Either way, it won't affect my political views, one iota. But then you go on to say if Delay is guilty, make him pay. I agree. However, if he's NOT guilty...why should he have paid at all? Think about THAT.

And then think, if Delay really is NOT guilty, who should pay? Anyone?

[TexasTiger 14,547]

I find it interesting to see your rebuttal of DKW while all the while you take one apparently crooked Republican and his memo and attempt to connect the whole group to that strategy.  And before you go claiming I am brainwashed, yadda-yadda... You know good and well I am not a Republican.  Conservative - yes.  And I am not defending DeLay.

To act like politicians "motivating a base that (they) don't even respect" is only a Republican thing, you may be the one who is brainwashed.  For every "R" like this I will guarantee you there is a "D" like this.  Just because it hasn't been picked up by the press doesn't make it a myth.

It shows how much "folks like you are being manipulated and played" that as soon as this comes out, you go to the message boards and blogs and paint the "other side" as being this way because one said something stupid.  It's a "knee-jerk" reaction by many like you that are still looking for the political "win" against Bush or Rove or some other opponent or all of them.

And, that is about all this forum has become. R/D and C/L  Very little real discussion and a bunch of "scoring attempts."

All this being said, I think DeLay is looking more guilty by the day.  That's just a gut feeling I have, but that comes on limited information on my part.  I haven't had much time to pay it - or any politics at this time - due to more important things in my life. Imagine that!    I say let the trial play out and let us go about our business.  If he's guilty, make him pay.  If he is innocent...well, he has already paid.

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My rebuttal to DKW was a rebuttal to that particular post. I'm more than happy to have a more meaningful discussion on this board on that rare occasion when someone is willing to do that. You are generally up for such discussion as is Titan and a few others on "the Right". lf you had responded to my initial post in rational straightforward manner and said, "well, this is one example that doesn't necessarily implicate the whole party" , then I would have responded with a very different tone. Sorry if you feel otherwise, but I think DKW's post got the response it deserved. He tried to draw analogies that were not apt, he lied about what Ted Danson "said", and made no meaningful response to the information I posted.

This paragraph was a direct response demonstrating how even his imagined analogies were not equivalent to the situation I posted:

But even so, there is a difference in attempting to motivate your base about something you really believe and cynically motivating a base that you don't even respect. The difference is, you as the Republican are referring to these liberal groups as whackos-- Danson didn't. In the actual real-life memo I referenced, the Republican operative characterized his "base" as whackos. That is the height of cynicism and hypocrisy.

All that said, I don’t think your response to my post is particularly fair, either. In fact, it seems more reactive than responsive. For example, this quote:

To act like politicians "motivating a base that (they) don't even respect" is only a Republican thing, you may be the one who is brainwashed.

I didn’t come even close to saying Dems were always pure and virtuous. I am a Dem like you’re a Republican. But I was specifically discussing what the evidence was before us and the argument he put forth. DKW didn’t really offer any evidence to support his “everybody does it” theory. Frankly, you didn’t either. Doesn't mean its a myth, but it doesn't provide anything concrete to discuss, either.

Yes, this is the quote of one Republican. But he was the aide to the Republican leader in the house whom many think is, or was, the most powerful man in Washington. He was working with Abramoff who was arguably the biggest money man in Washington, raising money for numerous Republican causes. It gives explicit insight to how they operated together. These were not fringe players. Even if Ted Danson had said what DKW claims he said, there is no meaningful comparison between the two. It doesn’t mean “all Republicans” think that way, but it is significant news.

[TexasTiger 14,547]

And then think, if Delay really is NOT guilty, who should pay? Anyone?

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Just a reminder-- a finding of "not guilty" is not synonomous with innocent. OJ was found "not guilty."

[AURaptor 1,137]

And then think, if Delay really is NOT guilty, who should pay? Anyone?

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Just a reminder-- a finding of "not guilty" is not synonomous with innocent. OJ was found "not guilty."

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I was replying to the post. You should understand my meaning. We're dealing w/ ever changing campaign laws here, not murder. Don't get stuck on stupid.

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And then think, if Delay really is NOT guilty, who should pay? Anyone?

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Just a reminder-- a finding of "not guilty" is not synonomous with innocent. OJ was found "not guilty."

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So was president dangle...... :huh: