AL Dems say no to Christian Coalition survey

[Jenny AU-92 0]

What's their problem with this - either you agree with or don't agree with these issues. The Christian Coalition wants to know because these are the issues important to their members. What is the big freaking deal? Other than Alvin Holmes being a disgrace to the AL State House, and that is saying a lot. Just another example of how Alabama Dems are totally out of touch with reality...

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Some Democratic legislators balk at Christian Coalition survey

8/19/2006, 12:42 p.m. CT

By BOB JOHNSON

The Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — The Christian Coalition of Alabama wants to know where candidates for the state Legislature stand on a wide variety of issues, ranging from prayer in school to abortion to whether people who are homosexual should be allowed to serve in the Alabama National Guard.

The coalition has mailed a nine-page, 76-question survey to candidates and plans to use the answers in its voter guide, which will be distributed in churches across the state before the Nov. 7 general election.

The survey did not sit well with some Democratic legislators, who said they believe the purpose is to use their answers against them.

"They do it purposely to campaign for the candidates they want and to hurt the candidates they don't want," said Rep. Alvin Holmes, D-Montgomery, an outspoken critic of state Christian Coalition President John Giles.

After receiving the survey, Holmes sent a letter to Giles saying he would answer all the questions if Giles would answer questions revealing the source of the Christian Coalition's money. Holmes has supported a bill opposed by Giles that would force the Christian Coalition and other nonprofit groups to disclose the source of money used to run ads to influence a legislative issue or a referendum.

"Until you answer those three questions, GO STRAIGHT TO HELL," Holmes said in the letter to Giles.

In his letter, Holmes referred to questions that have been raised in recent years about whether some Christian Coalition funding came from Indian tribes that operate casinos in Mississippi.

Giles said he was not upset by Holmes' letter and said his organization has never "taken or solicited gambling money directly or indirectly."

"One thing about Alvin Holmes is that he never disappoints you," Giles said. "He has said that I'm the devil. He has never answered one of our questionnaires'."

Giles said 1.7 million of the voter guides will be distributed around the state before the election. He said the purpose is to educate voters about where candidates stand on various issues and it is not intended to be an endorsement of individual candidates.

"It's so the people can make an informed decision when they vote," said Giles.

The questionnaire covers a wide range of issues including education, taxes, crime, health care, constitution reform and economic development. Many of the questions deal with hot button topics with conservative Christian voters, like abortion, homosexual rights and gambling.

State Rep. Mike Hubbard, R-Auburn, the Republican leader in the House, said he planned to fill out the survey.

I think it's important for the people to know where we stand on these issues. These issues are important to them," Hubbard said.

Some Democratic legislators have complained that the Christian Coalition picks and chooses answers it uses in the vote guide so that their opponents can use their positions against them.

Rep. Randy Hinshaw, D-Meridianville, said if candidates don't answer the survey, their opponents often use that against them by printing fliers misrepresenting their positions on issues like abortion and gambling.

"They will cherry pick the answers they use," said Hinshaw, who sponsored the legislation seeking to make the Christian Coalition disclose the sources of its money. "I am sure the Christian Coalition will try to convince people that I'm a Godless heathen designed to burn in Hell."

Giles said different questions are used for different candidates in the voter guide "to highlight the differences between candidates."

Jess Brown, a political scientist at Athens State University, said the Christian Coalition's voter guide influences some Alabamians.

"It does have an impact on voters who attend smaller churches where you have a politicized minister who sees his role to give political guidance to his members," Brown said.

He said some Democrats are probably wise not to fill out the surveys.

"It is simply sending information to people so they can slice and dice and use your words against you," Brown said. But he said it's probably important for candidates with a conservative position on the issues to get their answers into the voter guide.

A list of questions that Mr. Holmes finds "objectionable"... he was a jackass when I worked in Montgomery, and he is a jackass to this day.

AP) — Some questions in the Christian Coalition survey, which ask candidates for the Legislature if they would support:

• Education vouchers that allow parents to choose a public or private school for their children.

• Public schools teaching that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle.

• Allowing school-based clinics to dispense birth control devices without parental consent.

• Increasing state income taxes or income tax rates.

• Requiring voter approval for state tax increases.

• Capital punishment for certain crimes, like first-degree murder.

• Prohibiting abortion in all cases, except where the life of the mother is endangered.

• Taxpayer funding of abortions.

• Allowing homosexuals in the National Guard.

• Allowing adoption of children by homosexuals.

• Tax credits for the poor and middle class in need of purchasing private health insurance.

• Rewriting the state constitution.

• Legislation to prohibit the use of compulsory union dues and fees for political causes and candidates opposed by union members.

• Establishment of gambling in the state, such as video slot machines, high-stakes electronic bingo, casino/riverboat gambling, pari-mutuel betting and off-track betting.

• Prohibit state grants for art that is obscene, pornographic or anti-religious

[otterinbham 0]

I personally don't believe that the Christian Coalition is Christian at all. It is essentially a bunch of fundamentalists making a power grab, trying to get the rest of us to conform to their vision of how to behave on earth.

I am a devout Christian, thank you. But I fail to see what Christianity has to do with several of their questions:

• Education vouchers that allow parents to choose a public or private school for their children. [Personally, I think it's a good idea, especially for inner city parents. But it really has nothing to do with Christianity, unless of course your trying to swell the roster at Wrath Of God Christian Academy.]

• Increasing state income taxes or income tax rates. [Again, I am anti-taxation. But this has zero to do with the Christian faith. Nothing. Christ only said, "Render unto Caesar what is his, and render unto God what is God's." I don't think he had an opinion on this state's current tax policies, outside of their blatant unfairness to the lowest earners.]

• Requiring voter approval for state tax increases. [Gosh. No mention of referendums in the New Testament that I can find]

• Capital punishment for certain crimes, like first-degree murder. [Well, here's a problem. Capital punishment is mandated in the Old Testament. Yet when asked His opinion about stoning an adulterous woman, Christ counseled mercy instead. If Christ were all fired up about capital punishment, I think he would have said, "Hell, yeah! Give me a big rock!" instead of "He who is without sin cast the first stone."]

• Tax credits for the poor and middle class in need of purchasing private health insurance. [The ancient Israelites didn't have Blue Cross Blue Shield. Go figure.]

• Rewriting the state constitution. [This one cracks me up. The current constitution limits the ability of local municipalities to hire so much as a dog catcher without everybody in the state voting on it, it's discriminatory against blacks, it's incredibly biased towards major lobbyists, and it's so convoluted that it would be the laughing stock of the Honduras. Yet the Christian Coalition doesn't see fit to reform this insane document with literally hundreds and hundreds of amendments.]

• Legislation to prohibit the use of compulsory union dues and fees for political causes and candidates opposed by union members. [Again, good common sense. But not the provenance of the Church.]

• Establishment of gambling in the state, such as video slot machines, high-stakes electronic bingo, casino/riverboat gambling, pari-mutuel betting and off-track betting. [Oddly enough, there's no scriptural prohibition against gambling in the Bible. Roman soldiers cast lots for Christ's clothes, and the Apostles cast lots to see who would replace Judas. Personally, I think gambling is a waste of time and energy and money. I guess the Christian Coalition wants to make up a new commandment. Of course, the Christian Coalition in Alabama accepting Mississippi gambling money shows how elastic their ethics really are.]

• Prohibit state grants for art that is obscene, pornographic or anti-religious. [boy, that's a clear set of guidelines. So Michaelangelo's David would be prohibited. Or maybe we should only have "nice" art. You know. Fruit bowls and landscapes. Children blowing out birthday cakes. Norman Rockwell stuff. Not anything that actually challenges us to think. While I am offended by many expressions of religious criticism in art today, I am more offended by committees of narrow-minded, doctrinaire imbeciles who deign to think for me. Who decides what is acceptable and what is not? I can tell you right now that, with vague enough criteria, half the museum walls in this state would be bare.]

In short, Christianity is about the next life, not this one. We are absolutely here to help our fellow man, but the Christian Coalition and I do not see eye to eye on many aspects. Personally, I think if you really want to promote Christianity, then you stay the heck out of politics.

So while I agree with the Democrats on next to nothing, I have to applaud them for saying "*uck off" to the Christian Coalition's attempts to reshape this state to their own peculiar vision.

[Bottomfeeder 244]

I personally don't believe that the Christian Coalition is Christian at all. It is essentially a bunch of fundamentalists making a power grab, trying to get the rest of us to conform to their vision of how to behave on earth.

I am a devout Christian, thank you. But I fail to see what Christianity has to do with several of their questions:

• Education vouchers that allow parents to choose a public or private school for their children. [Personally, I think it's a good idea, especially for inner city parents. But it really has nothing to do with Christianity, unless of course your trying to swell the roster at Wrath Of God Christian Academy.]

• Increasing state income taxes or income tax rates. [Again, I am anti-taxation. But this has zero to do with the Christian faith. Nothing. Christ only said, "Render unto Caesar what is his, and render unto God what is God's." I don't think he had an opinion on this state's current tax policies, outside of their blatant unfairness to the lowest earners.]

• Requiring voter approval for state tax increases. [Gosh. No mention of referendums in the New Testament that I can find]

• Capital punishment for certain crimes, like first-degree murder. [Well, here's a problem. Capital punishment is mandated in the Old Testament. Yet when asked His opinion about stoning an adulterous woman, Christ counseled mercy instead. If Christ were all fired up about capital punishment, I think he would have said, "Hell, yeah! Give me a big rock!" instead of "He who is without sin cast the first stone."]

• Tax credits for the poor and middle class in need of purchasing private health insurance. [The ancient Israelites didn't have Blue Cross Blue Shield. Go figure.]

• Rewriting the state constitution. [This one cracks me up. The current constitution limits the ability of local municipalities to hire so much as a dog catcher without everybody in the state voting on it, it's discriminatory against blacks, it's incredibly biased towards major lobbyists, and it's so convoluted that it would be the laughing stock of the Honduras. Yet the Christian Coalition doesn't see fit to reform this insane document with literally hundreds and hundreds of amendments.]

• Legislation to prohibit the use of compulsory union dues and fees for political causes and candidates opposed by union members. [Again, good common sense. But not the provenance of the Church.]

• Establishment of gambling in the state, such as video slot machines, high-stakes electronic bingo, casino/riverboat gambling, pari-mutuel betting and off-track betting. [Oddly enough, there's no scriptural prohibition against gambling in the Bible. Roman soldiers cast lots for Christ's clothes, and the Apostles cast lots to see who would replace Judas. Personally, I think gambling is a waste of time and energy and money. I guess the Christian Coalition wants to make up a new commandment. Of course, the Christian Coalition in Alabama accepting Mississippi gambling money shows how elastic their ethics really are.]

• Prohibit state grants for art that is obscene, pornographic or anti-religious. [boy, that's a clear set of guidelines. So Michaelangelo's David would be prohibited. Or maybe we should only have "nice" art. You know. Fruit bowls and landscapes. Children blowing out birthday cakes. Norman Rockwell stuff. Not anything that actually challenges us to think. While I am offended by many expressions of religious criticism in art today, I am more offended by committees of narrow-minded, doctrinaire imbeciles who deign to think for me. Who decides what is acceptable and what is not? I can tell you right now that, with vague enough criteria, half the museum walls in this state would be bare.]

In short, Christianity is about the next life, not this one. We are absolutely here to help our fellow man, but the Christian Coalition and I do not see eye to eye on many aspects. Personally, I think if you really want to promote Christianity, then you stay the heck out of politics.

So while I agree with the Democrats on next to nothing, I have to applaud them for saying "*uck off" to the Christian Coalition's attempts to reshape this state to their own peculiar vision.

Here, Here!

[Jenny AU-92 0]

My point is that it is a general list of questions - if the League of Women Voters put out that list, no one would think twice. I for one would like to know where some of them stood on issues important to me. You can take any data and spin it for your purposes, but in most cases, you don't have to give a Christian answer - you are either for it or you are against it. Simple. Unless you are John Kerry and you vote for something before you vote against it...

Just because it is the Cc asking doesn't mean that they are only interested in Christian pointed issues. And not everyone would read their responses and automatically follow the CC point of view. It's not just Christian organizations that are in favor of school vouchers. It's not just Christians in favor of the death penalty. It's not just Christians in favor of legislation to prohibit the use of compulsory union dues and fees for political causes and candidates opposed by union members. And the CC does not just support one church or one religion.

By your way of thinking, only black people could ask questions about affirmative action, only Hispanics could ask questions about immigration and only women could ask questions about abortion. I think these are genearl enough issues that ANYONE could ask about them. And if the CC wants to put answers into a religious context for their members, and those members want to act like sheep and follow these guidelines blindly, then that is certainly their perrogative. They could do the same thing with answers candidates give to a questionaire from the LWV or any other group - they just chose this time to send out their own.

And any time you find yourself on the same side of an issue as Alvin Holmes, it's time for a gut check. I know stories about that lying, fake, race pimp of a jackass.

[otterinbham 0]

My point is that it is a general list of questions - if the League of Women Voters put out that list, no one would think twice. I for one would like to know where some of them stood on issues important to me. You can take any data and spin it for your purposes, but in most cases, you don't have to give a Christian answer - you are either for it or you are against it. Simple. Unless you are John Kerry and you vote for something before you vote against it...

Just because it is the Cc asking doesn't mean that they are only interested in Christian pointed issues. And not everyone would read their responses and automatically follow the CC point of view. It's not just Christian organizations that are in favor of school vouchers. It's not just Christians in favor of the death penalty. It's not just Christians in favor of legislation to prohibit the use of compulsory union dues and fees for political causes and candidates opposed by union members. And the CC does not just support one church or one religion.

By your way of thinking, only black people could ask questions about affirmative action, only Hispanics could ask questions about immigration and only women could ask questions about abortion. I think these are genearl enough issues that ANYONE could ask about them. And if the CC wants to put answers into a religious context for their members, and those members want to act like sheep and follow these guidelines blindly, then that is certainly their perrogative. They could do the same thing with answers candidates give to a questionaire from the LWV or any other group - they just chose this time to send out their own.

And any time you find yourself on the same side of an issue as Alvin Holmes, it's time for a gut check. I know stories about that lying, fake, race pimp of a jackass.

Well there is a huge difference between the League of Women Voters and the Christian Coalition. The League of Women Voters is a politically neutral forum dedicated to disseminating candidate information. The Christian Coalition is nothing more than a fig leaf for the far right wing of the Republican Party. I can't imagine any serious Democratic candidate taking them seriously because, no matter how they answer the question, the Republican candidate is going to get the nod.

Second, while you can make the case that abortion and gambling are questions that are germane to the Christian mission on earth, there simply is no scripturally right or wrong answer on the question of referenda, school vouchers, or a new state constitution. However, the Christian Coalition doesn't seem to blush at asking these questions, with a well-defined agenda in mind. So what you have here is an ostensibly religious organization playing a heavy handed role in issues that are completely irrelevant to Christ's teachings...which means that their professed interest in this issue is utterly false. I would also have a very large problem with a church getting involved with left-wing politics, too, as we saw the Catholics do during their goofy Liberation Theology craze of the 80s.

Further, I don't believe your analogy holds when it comes to minority groups only asking questions germane to their very narrow interests. All individual voters have a stake in policy decisions. However, an organization should confine their litmus tests to issues truly relevant to their core mission in life. After all, the Alabama Dental Association wouldn't be asking questions about school vouchers, would they? The Alabama Farm Federation wouldn't touch the question of Abortion. However, the CC is attempting to be the end-all, be-all definer of every single issue in public life in this state--regardless of whether the question is remotely associated with a Christian's mission on earth (After all, a true Christian could make a very convincing case that more government aid for the poor should be available, not less), and anybody with an IQ over that of a rhesus monkey should have a problem with that.

[AURaptor 1,122]

Jenny, don't you know that a GOOD Christian woman should be seen and not heard ?

[Bottomfeeder 244]

My point is that it is a general list of questions - if the League of Women Voters put out that list, no one would think twice. I for one would like to know where some of them stood on issues important to me. You can take any data and spin it for your purposes, but in most cases, you don't have to give a Christian answer - you are either for it or you are against it. Simple. Unless you are John Kerry and you vote for something before you vote against it...

Just because it is the Cc asking doesn't mean that they are only interested in Christian pointed issues. And not everyone would read their responses and automatically follow the CC point of view. It's not just Christian organizations that are in favor of school vouchers. It's not just Christians in favor of the death penalty. It's not just Christians in favor of legislation to prohibit the use of compulsory union dues and fees for political causes and candidates opposed by union members. And the CC does not just support one church or one religion.

By your way of thinking, only black people could ask questions about affirmative action, only Hispanics could ask questions about immigration and only women could ask questions about abortion. I think these are genearl enough issues that ANYONE could ask about them. And if the CC wants to put answers into a religious context for their members, and those members want to act like sheep and follow these guidelines blindly, then that is certainly their perrogative. They could do the same thing with answers candidates give to a questionaire from the LWV or any other group - they just chose this time to send out their own.

And any time you find yourself on the same side of an issue as Alvin Holmes, it's time for a gut check. I know stories about that lying, fake, race pimp of a jackass.

You won't find them doin' that #### up north. That's some of that Bible Belt Southern Baptist Convention crapola. It's hypocritical if ask me.

Why don't they add this question?

"Is the bombing innocent people to death equal to or less than having an abortion?

“Hypocritical” has a narrow, very specific meaning. It describes behavior or speech that is intended to make one look better or more pious than one really is. It is often wrongly used to label people who are merely narrow-minded or genuinely pious. Do not confuse this word with “hypercritical,” which describes people who are picky.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/hypocritical.html

[tiger88 934]

And any time you find yourself on the same side of an issue as Alvin Holmes, it's time for a gut check. I know stories about that lying, fake, race pimp of a jackass.

Yes, holmes is a fool, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. Your statement here proves you are about as open minded as he is, so you are in the same boat with him in some ways too. I read this in the paper and liked the fact that some were saying screw you to this coalition.

[DKW 86 7,419]

While I respect Otter, I have complete doubt that the Dems even looked at the questionaire this way. The Dems would look at it like: "if we dont answer it, then we cant be held to any postion on their literature."

Love them or dislike them, the CC, are just as valid a campaign presence as "People for the American Way" & " ACLU" & MoveOn.org & Democratic Leadership Council, et al. Face it, every orgaization in America has an agenda these days, every single one. It is not as if they are like the KKK or the John Birchers. The CC is an organization used by MANY Chrsitians to form their opinions about who to vote for or against. IE: The Southern Baptists use them and that alone could be 23M voters across the South right there. But if you have already written off the South as much of the DNC has then why bother?

Without putting words in Jenny's mouth, I am in awe how the Dems can just decide to TOTALLY IGNORE whole segments of the American electorate and then question why they keep getting hammered in elections. It is because since Clinton and the DLC are now out of power, there is no moderate wing in the Democratic Party. A quiet little revolution took over when Clinton left in 2000. The DLC was run out of town by ideologues that felt betrayed by Clinton's "Triangulation Policy of campaigning." Clinton was supported by the DNC but they held their nose until he was out of office because he had to "Waffle" on some issues that the diehards are mad at him to this day. Welfare reform, Gays in the military, etc.

The Whackadoo Dems have turned on moderates like Leiberman in the National Party. This week alone they made it clear to the electorate in CT that JL will have no power in any Dem. Senate should he win. They will proactively have him removed from Commitees if he does win. Thereby telling the people pf CT that JL is going to be an outcast and they will be the losers if they decide to return him to the Senate.

It has nothing to do with the people of CT and how they really feel, or for Jews for that matter. The DNC has decreed that JL must be run off for his support of Israel and the Iraq War.

Politics aint for gentlemen anymore.

[Ranger12 46]

David and Jenny are exactly right. The CC is not trying to gain any power. They just want Christians to be informed on how all the candidates stand on issues that Christians find important. The questions are not even all about religious related issues. There are economic questions on there also. Like Jenny said, it is just a set of questions to answer. Nothing complicated and the CC is not trying to trick anybody.

Like David said, they refuste to answer because they fear their answer will not line up with the views and beliefs of most of the voters that they will represent. That goes either way. If you are a dem and have more conservative values and you answer truthfully, you are going to alientate the dem voters. If you are a liberal dem, well you are sure to not get the conservative vote, which is the majority in the state of Alabama.

[DKW 86 7,419]

As far as vouchers go, the CC is looking into those vouchers going to religious or at least private schools. Christians everywhere wonder why everyone else's views are okay for their kids but their own views are to be ridiculed by the very schools their kids attend.

As far as the other issues Otter brought up you could just as easily argue them the other way. I am a Christian. As Paul says in I Corinthians "I speak by permission, not by commandment." ou know God didnt say busing was a good or bad thing either. I think a Christian with a brain could decide for themselves. THe Bible comdemsn homosexuality in OT and NT. But it doesnt say a word about homos in the military. Guess we need to accept them and move on with that one too.

You know, the Bible doesnt specifically say "dont screw kids." So I guess as a true Chrisitan I should not have an opinion on that either.

You know, the Bible doesnt specifically say "its okay to not overpay the hell out of your taxes." So I guess as a true Chrisitan I should not have an opinion on that either.

You know, the Bible doesnt specifically say "thou shalt have indoor plumbing in a church." So I guess as a true Chrisitan I should not have indoor plumbing in a church either.

You know, the Bible doesnt specifically say "thall shalt buy a Ford." So I guess as a true Chrisitan I should not have an opinion on owning a car either.

You know, the Bible doesnt specifically say "thall shalt own a computer." So I guess as a true Chrisitan I should not have an opinion on owning a computer either.

You know, the Bible doesnt specifically say "a lot of things." So I guess as a true Chrisitan I should not have an opinion on anything that is not specifically mentioned in the Bible at all.

[Tigermike 3,023]

Why don't they add this question?

"Is the bombing innocent people to death equal to or less than having an abortion?

Which innocent people are you speaking of? And who bombed them?

[Bottomfeeder 244]

Why don't they add this question?

"Is the bombing innocent people to death equal to or less than having an abortion?

Which innocent people are you speaking of? And who bombed them?

We have been, and are continually, killing innocent people in wars and conflicts.

[Tigermike 3,023]

Why don't they add this question?

"Is the bombing innocent people to death equal to or less than having an abortion?

Which innocent people are you speaking of? And who bombed them?

We have been, and are continually, killing innocent people in wars and conflicts.

So you are against any and all war? For any reason?

So am I, and to take it further, I think any and all members of HAMAS, Hizballah, al-Jihad, Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), al-Qa'ida, should be hunted down and killed. Then the murder of innocent people worldwide would drop dramatically. When those murders are dead then the people of the world can go back to picking flowers.

Or is it ONLY the United States you are against?

[Ranger12 46]

BF, if you hate the United States so much, well the beauty of this country you seem to hate is that you have the freedom to go liver elsewhere, no questions asked.

Innocent people were killed in the Revolutionary War, but I guess you would have been against that, which would have made you a "loyalist" to the throne.

BTW...you may want to ready the Bible that you claim to hold so dear. God ordered Isreal to war several times in the Old Testament. The Bible says He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. So that means God must not have changed His view on where if it is necessary. We can debate about what modern day wars God would approve off, but the bottom line is that the Bible records God as not being a pacifist.

As far as the United States willingly killing innocent people in Iraq, that kind of crap is what gives the terroists the propoganda they need. Sounds like to me you are getting pretty close to calling our military personnel murderers. YOU ARE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO CROSSING THE LINE ONCE AGAIN!

Why don't you move to Canda or France? You'll fit in nicely there with your views.

I heard somebody on the radio say today that Iran was not going to do anything as long as Bush or a republican president is in office. They can't be sure we will not bomb their a** into oblivion as long as a republican is president. That is why they are hoping a democrat wins in 2008. If that happens, then they know they can do whatever the hell they want to do because the libbies will not raise a finger. They'll just point and shake their finger and say "shame, shame". Then they may possible launch a few Tomahawk missles towards an outhouse in the middle of nowhere and then pat themselves on the back for taking care of the problem.

[DKW 86 7,419]

During WWII we bombed Dresden into the stone age. We killed many civilians. Doesnt mean it didnt have a major part in ending the war though. As Patton said: "You dont win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other poor son of a bitch die for his." As we started to kill the German civilians, the soldiers' families etc., that was what gave the motivation to kill Hitler in late 44 early 45.

[otterinbham 0]

David and Jenny are exactly right. The CC is not trying to gain any power.

Mighty potent brand of crack you're smoking.

[CCTAU 3,304]

David and Jenny are exactly right. The CC is not trying to gain any power.

Mighty potent brand of crack you're smoking.

It's folks like you that make folks like us very tired of being relagated to the back of the bus. The CC has just as much right as any group to ask questions and diseminate that info. If you choose not to use that info, then so be it. But do not ceondem them, or us, for wanting the best information on the subjects that we are concerned about.

P.S. The only crack I see is the one your head's up.

[otterinbham 0]

David and Jenny are exactly right. The CC is not trying to gain any power.

Mighty potent brand of crack you're smoking.

It's folks like you that make folks like us very tired of being relagated to the back of the bus. The CC has just as much right as any group to ask questions and diseminate that info. If you choose not to use that info, then so be it. But do not ceondem them, or us, for wanting the best information on the subjects that we are concerned about.

P.S. The only crack I see is the one your head's up.

Excuse me? I'm just refuting the very strange comment that the Christian Coalition is not after political power in this state. Anybody who denies this either is a liar or just doesn't read the newspapers.

And, quite frankly, I would beg to differ on another comment. It's the Christian Coalition that's trying to keep us at the back of the bus. They continue to fiight for an antiquated constitution that is inherently rascist and prevents major cities in the state from being able to move forward. Why on earth is the Christian Coalition trying to defend such a backward document? And why is it our state constitution any concern of this "religious" organization?

Further, the CC is nothing more than a front organization for the most backwards elements of the Republican Party. As an active Republican myself, I can tell you exactly what these people stand for--keeping this state firmly back in the 1950s, keeping power in the hands of a few elite land barons, and continuing to obstruct the economic development of Birmingham, Huntsville, Tuscaloosa, and Mobile. I have sat in the meetings, and I have talked to these nitwits myself. And their philisophical base is far more attuned to George Wallace than Jesus Christ.

So quit drinking the Kool Ade and start thinking for yourself. Rather than listening to the spoon-fed doctrine of these yahoos.

[Bottomfeeder 244]

Further, the CC is nothing more than a front organization for the most backwards elements of the Republican Party. As an active Republican myself, I can tell you exactly what these people stand for--keeping this state firmly back in the 1950s, keeping power in the hands of a few elite land barons, and continuing to obstruct the economic development of Birmingham, Huntsville, Tuscaloosa, and Mobile. I have sat in the meetings, and I have talked to these nitwits myself. And their philisophical base is far more attuned to George Wallace than Jesus Christ.

No wonder it's so ###### up here.