FYI Rivals downgraded Bama D End verbal

[BamaGrad03 0]

Undra Billingsley went from a 4* to a 3 today. For those of you who say Rivals NEVER does that.

[80Tiger 909]

This recruiting thing is pretty much out of control. Whether Rivals or Scout, how can a rating change when the season hasn't even started!

These services can tell you about their expertise in "evaluating" but the fact is these are probably "geek" types sitting behind computers doing the evaluations. Why do a change anyway except to create "excitement on the board" and membership and viewership.

I like to pay attention to recruting, but in Dec, Jan and Feb. Not now.

[BamaGrad03 0]

This recruiting thing is pretty much out of control. Whether Rivals or Scout, how can a rating change when the season hasn't even started!

These services can tell you about their expertise in "evaluating" but the fact is these are probably "geek" types sitting behind computers doing the evaluations. Why do a change anyway except to create "excitement on the board" and membership and viewership.

I like to pay attention to recruting, but in Dec, Jan and Feb. Not now.

Well Rivals most recent evaluations came after the final wave of summer camps were finished. Undra didn't camp anywhere because he had already commited, and there were others who really shined in camp this summer.

[tiger88 934]

Undra Billingsley went from a 4* to a 3 today. For those of you who say Rivals NEVER does that.

Well, he must really be a one star then, .

[metafour 5,435]

Undra Billingsley went from a 4* to a 3 today. For those of you who say Rivals NEVER does that.

That will get made up for when the kid you just got a commit from (Square) moves up next time they update the rankings.

[BamaGrad03 0]

Undra Billingsley went from a 4* to a 3 today. For those of you who say Rivals NEVER does that.

That will get made up for when the kid you just got a commit from (Square) moves up next time they update the rankings.

Have you seen square's offer list?

[metafour 5,435]

Undra Billingsley went from a 4* to a 3 today. For those of you who say Rivals NEVER does that.

That will get made up for when the kid you just got a commit from (Square) moves up next time they update the rankings.

Have you seen square's offer list?

Yes. Rivals wouldn't have upgraded him, but now that he committed to Bama with an offer list like that he definitely moves up.

Next order of business: Move Brandon Lewis down to 3-star, move Tyler Love down to 4-star.

PS: Odds Destin Hood never plays a down at Bama? Pretty good IMO.

[BamaGrad03 0]

Yes. Rivals wouldn't have upgraded him, but now that he committed to Bama with an offer list like that he definitely moves up.

Next order of business: Move Brandon Lewis down to 3-star, move Tyler Love down to 4-star.

PS: Odds Destin Hood never plays a down at Bama? Pretty good IMO.

Tyler love has no business as a 4 star. None whatsoever. He's not just ranked highly with Rivals.

And Lewis was highly ranked before he ever commited to Bama. He looks great on film.

The only way Hood doesn't make it to Bama is if he plays pro baseball.

[metafour 5,435]

Yes. Rivals wouldn't have upgraded him, but now that he committed to Bama with an offer list like that he definitely moves up.

Next order of business: Move Brandon Lewis down to 3-star, move Tyler Love down to 4-star.

PS: Odds Destin Hood never plays a down at Bama? Pretty good IMO.

Tyler love has no business as a 4 star. None whatsoever. He's not just ranked highly with Rivals.

And Lewis was highly ranked before he ever commited to Bama. He looks great on film.

The only way Hood doesn't make it to Bama is if he plays pro baseball.

Tyler Love has every business as a 4-star. He is no better than Lee Ziemba who we signed last year. He is also no better than Ryan Pugh. Ryan Pugh is a Top 100 player last year if he doesn't project as a center in college, EASILY. He was one of the 10 or so best players at the Army AA game (during the actual game and throughout the week of practice). He gets totally screwed because internet scouting services seemingly only love to hype 6'6-6'7+ OT's. I'd rank Love around where Ziemba was ranked last year: Top 100 player, no 5-star. PS: Rivals is the ONLY service that has Love ranked as a 5-star. Scout's new Top 300 which came out today has Antoine McClain ranked higher than Love, as does FVSports (which is, although, an insider fan ranking). You are SERIOUSLY overrating Love if you think the guy is a 5-star lock. He's not. At all.

Lewis was one of your first commitments (March 5th), I dont remember any rankings being out when he committed...at least no serious star rankings. No instate offer from Auburn, very few significant out of state offers, and little to no camp activity either. Dude is a solid 3-star prospect, not one of the best DE's in the country. He just dropped to 3-star status on Scout's new list. No offense, but he never should have been a 4-star in the first place. As for the "great film"...there are a ridiculous number of recruits who I know have great film yet aren't getting any love. We'd have multiple 4-star commitments right now if you're going to use that excuse. PS: Cam Henderson > Brandon Lewis.

Thats what I was implying with Destin Hood. Kid blew up at the recent AFLAC HS baseball game. He's going to take the cash and play baseball, I'd be VERY surprised if he ever hit the field for Alabama...he's a better baseball prospect.

[BamaGrad03 0]

I can see where you are coming from on Lewis. That is fair. But Tyler Love, I disagree. Tyler is ranked #20 on ESPNs 150. Scout's rankings are pretty much garbage. Their re-evaluations are a joke. They have limited number of player reviews and rate 99% of their final class on sophomore and early junior tape.

And if you are implying that Rivals ranked Tyler high thanks to a Pro-Bama slant, I could just as easily suggest the same in reverse for Scout.

I think Ziemba would be a 5 star in this year's class. It's really not fair to compare relative star ranking between two classes...because it is highly dependent upon who's ahead of them in the current class.

[DyeEraTiger 0]

I can see where you are coming from on Lewis. That is fair. But Tyler Love, I disagree. Tyler is ranked #20 on ESPNs 150. Scout's rankings are pretty much garbage. Their re-evaluations are a joke. They have limited number of player reviews and rate 99% of their final class on sophomore and early junior tape.

And if you are implying that Rivals ranked Tyler high thanks to a Pro-Bama slant, I could just as easily suggest the same in reverse for Scout.

I think Ziemba would be a 5 star in this year's class. It's really not fair to compare relative star ranking between two classes...because it is highly dependent upon who's ahead of them in the current class.

"And if you are implying that Rivals ranked Tyler high thanks to a Pro-Bama slant, I could just as easily suggest the same in reverse for Scout."

What does this mean bg? Scout is slanted toward whom? Just wondering.

[BamaGrad03 0]

What does this mean bg? Scout is slanted toward whom? Just wondering.

I don't think they are slanted towards anyone. Nor do I think Rivals is. Scout does all their evals based on hype. And they rarely rank a guy highly who blows up his senior season...because they are super lazy in their re-evals.

[metafour 5,435]

What does this mean bg? Scout is slanted toward whom? Just wondering.

I don't think they are slanted towards anyone. Nor do I think Rivals is. Scout does all their evals based on hype. And they rarely rank a guy highly who blows up his senior season...because they are super lazy in their re-evals.

I'd disagree, and say that Scout IMO has gotten much better with their rankings the past two classes (this one and last year's). If anyone is getting lazy, its Rivals. A few years ago I'd take their list over Scout's 10 times out of 10, but they seem to be getting watered down every year. Last year Scout upped their re-evals big time, at least with our prospect. They accurately bumped up Kodi Burns (while Rivals pretty much ignored him), Antoine Carter (again, Rivals ignored), and AJ Greene (once again...Rivals ignores).

[metafour 5,435]

I think Ziemba would be a 5 star in this year's class. It's really not fair to compare relative star ranking between two classes...because it is highly dependent upon who's ahead of them in the current class.

That makes no sense. This year's OT (and OL, overall) class is much, MUCH stronger than last year's. Why would Ziemba be a 5-star in this (stronger) class when he wasn't in last year's (weaker) class?

[BamaGrad03 0]

I think Ziemba would be a 5 star in this year's class. It's really not fair to compare relative star ranking between two classes...because it is highly dependent upon who's ahead of them in the current class.

That makes no sense. This year's OT (and OL, overall) class is much, MUCH stronger than last year's. Why would Ziemba be a 5-star in this (stronger) class when he wasn't in last year's (weaker) class?

Because Rival's 5 star ranking is based off of their top 100. Namely the top ~30 or so. I think last year's top 50 players were better than this years.

[SouthLink02 8]

Yes. Rivals wouldn't have upgraded him, but now that he committed to Bama with an offer list like that he definitely moves up.

Next order of business: Move Brandon Lewis down to 3-star, move Tyler Love down to 4-star.

PS: Odds Destin Hood never plays a down at Bama? Pretty good IMO.

Tyler love has no business as a 4 star. None whatsoever. He's not just ranked highly with Rivals.

And Lewis was highly ranked before he ever commited to Bama. He looks great on film.

The only way Hood doesn't make it to Bama is if he plays pro baseball.

Agreed. Everything I have read and seen on Love says that he will be arguably the best OL in next year's class and one of the most prepared OL to come out of HS in quite a long time.

[BamaGrad03 0]

I'm just glad ya'll didn't get him. You've been getting everyone else.

[TitanTiger 22,006]

And if you are implying that Rivals ranked Tyler high thanks to a Pro-Bama slant, I could just as easily suggest the same in reverse for Scout.

You could, but you'd just be doing it in reaction, not based on anything the average person would point to as a real reason. On the other hand, the Rivals was started and is run by a Bama guy so you could at least see where people would be suspicious.

[BamaGrad03 0]

And if you are implying that Rivals ranked Tyler high thanks to a Pro-Bama slant, I could just as easily suggest the same in reverse for Scout.

You could, but you'd just be doing it in reaction, not based on anything the average person would point to as a real reason. On the other hand, the Rivals was started and is run by a Bama guy so you could at least see where people would be suspicious.

And it's already been shown numerous times that he isn't involved in the evaluations. They have like 15 guys who do the evals. One of whom is an AU grad.

[metafour 5,435]

Yes. Rivals wouldn't have upgraded him, but now that he committed to Bama with an offer list like that he definitely moves up.

Next order of business: Move Brandon Lewis down to 3-star, move Tyler Love down to 4-star.

PS: Odds Destin Hood never plays a down at Bama? Pretty good IMO.

Tyler love has no business as a 4 star. None whatsoever. He's not just ranked highly with Rivals.

And Lewis was highly ranked before he ever commited to Bama. He looks great on film.

The only way Hood doesn't make it to Bama is if he plays pro baseball.

Agreed. Everything I have read and seen on Love says that he will be arguably the best OL in next year's class and one of the most prepared OL to come out of HS in quite a long time.

Was this before or after UGA fans were getting pumped about Love committing to them??

If you think Love is that good then you need to look-up recruiting on a more national level. Love is nowhere near Andre Smith on ANY level, so how could he be "one of the most prepared OL to come out of HS in quite a long time" if he isn't even the best from THIS state in the past 2-3 years? There are several OL in this class alone who are better prospects than Love, easily.

[SouthLink02 8]

Was this before or after UGA fans were getting pumped about Love committing to them??

It was before AU fans tried saying Love would commit to them!

If you think Love is that good then you need to look-up recruiting on a more national level.

That's your opinion, not a fact. I have seen the videos, read the reports, and feel as many others do about Love. He is an excellent OL who is prepared/built to play quite fast and is one of the best in the country. Has a very good shot to be THE BEST.

Love is nowhere near Andre Smith on ANY level, so how could he be "one of the most prepared OL to come out of HS in quite a long time" if he isn't even the best from THIS state in the past 2-3 years?

Love technique and videos are incredibly impressive as he possess footwork then most of the top OL recruits lack and end up spending months on the college level learning. Love may not be the best OL to ever play at the University of Alabama but he will be one of the best true freshman to play OL at Bama in quite a long time. If that means playing better then Smith, that wouldn't shock me.

There are several OL in this class alone who are better prospects than Love, easily.

According to you, I am sure there are...but I and many others would take Love right now and have him play on the OL in the next 1-2 years and in the future.