Perhaps 2 QB system for Auburn in 2008??

[bird36 5]

I read the reports from Franklin today. I am wondering if they are seriously considering two quarterbacks for the season. If we have two QBs I hope we can be unpredictable and not have Todd throw and Burns run all the time. I would rather Burns step up and win the job because he is a duel threat, but he needs to be a complete passer as well as runner.

[subterranean_jack 112]

I don't think Burns has proven himself as a reliable passing threat yet. Until that happens, Todd is going to be in the picture. Nothing will be settled this spring, regardless of the results of the A-Day game.

Heading into the early fall games, I think both Burns and Todd will see some action. Since all the QBs have so little experience, and I can't see the coaches picking one in August and going with that one throughout the entire season no matter what, like they did with Cox. A good backup is a necessity with the spread offense, so there's no hurry or need to name a #1 right now.

[autiger4life 3]

I don't understand all the hoopla over Todd. I know Franklin really likes him, but what has he done that makes him so wonderful. If he was really this end all be all qb that Franklin thinks he is why has he never started at a big school. Maybe it is just my ignorance, but it seems Todd is competing heavily for the job while not being able to throw the ball or practice. I know fully healthy he may compete, but we haven't seen that so how does he beat out Caudle when he isn't even practicing 100%. It seems that there was not the "going into the season with no winner" It seemed no matter what Todd was already at the front, whether he practiced or not.

[Wishbone 0]

I don't understand all the hoopla over Todd. I know Franklin really likes him, but what has he done that makes him so wonderful. If he was really this end all be all qb that Franklin thinks he is why has he never started at a big school. Maybe it is just my ignorance, but it seems Todd is competing heavily for the job while not being able to throw the ball or practice. I know fully healthy he may compete, but we haven't seen that so how does he beat out Caudle when he isn't even practicing 100%. It seems that there was not the "going into the season with no winner" It seemed no matter what Todd was already at the front, whether he practiced or not.

It sort of seems that way, doesn't it?

[subterranean_jack 112]

Todd has a lot more experience being a college QB than Burns has; I think the upcoming season will be Todd's fourth. He transferred from Texas Tech because he didn't beat out Graham Harrell (all but about 5 college QBs in the entire country could pull that one off). He has spent more time in Franklin's system and probably understands the offense better than Burns at this point.

No question Burns is the better athlete and doesn't have a history of injuries like Todd, but I would think whoever can throw the ball accurately more than 15-20 yards downfield is going to have a big leg up on the competition. I haven't seen this ability from any of Auburn's QBs yet. This is what is missing from the offensive attack, and frankly I don't think many SEC defenses are fearing Auburn's passing attack at this point. Whoever can change that perception is going to get serious playing time, but I still see both playing early in the season and possibly throughout the entire season.

[Defense(clap clap) 4]

I do remember reading that some Tx Tech fans wanted Todd as the starter when it was between him and Harrell, so take that for what it's worth. Any kid coming out of high school with over 10,000 yards passing has potential, no matter who you're playing against. And the fact that he knows the offense like the back of his hand gives him an automatic leg up - I believe he was an instructor at one of Franklins camps last summer. If Kodi could pass like Todd, I imagine Kodi would be a no-brainer because of what he can do on the ground, but he's got to get that part of his game down before he's the #1 guy.

[autigeremt 5,965]

I'm sure the coaches will do what's best for the team. Someone will step up and take it at some point between now and the third game of the season.

[mcgufcm 3,869]

No offense to either guy, but there are a lot more than 5 QBs I would take over Graham Harrell. I think Todd could be great in this offense. I know Kodi will get his reps and make his plays. I'm totally unconcerned with who starts, but I'm not willing to say that being beaten out by Harrell says nothing about you. Off the top of my head, I'd take Bradford (OU), Daniel (Mizzou), Reesing (KU), and possibly McCoy (UT) ahead of Harrell and I'm not even out of his conference yet.

[Fmnstr 0]

franklin is still throwing todd under the bus, but also harping on him being one of the two at the same time. the kid is getting mondo preferential treatment that has just yet to be warranted, as far as i can see. franklin isn't even trying to hide it.

[weagl1 1,715]

Usually, when you have two running neck and neck that means you don't have a good one. I hope that is not the case.

[autiger4life 3]

I'm not saying that Todd doesn't have great potential, and that he is a great player, and has tons of exp. in the system. All I am saying is that for a kid who has barely practiced with the team, still isn't 100% and we don't know when/if he will be, to be named as tied with Kodi just doesn't make any sense to me. If he is all that then he will show it when he is healthy, I just don't believe giving it to him because of high school. Caudle was supposed to be the savior out of high school too, he just didn't know Franklin.

I guess I am just saying compared to Kodi and probably Neil he hasn't proved anything to me. I am sure he is better than Neil and maybe Kodi but I would rather see that then just give it to him.

[metafour 4,827]

All I am saying is that for a kid who has barely practiced with the team, still isn't 100% and we don't know when/if he will be, to be named as tied with Kodi just doesn't make any sense to me.

For those that are confused, you should start looking at this whole thing in terms of Kodi Burns and not in terms of Todd. All I see is people whining about Todd when in reality the reason why an injured Chris Todd is "co-#1" is blatantly simple: Kodi Burns is nowhere near polished enough to be the #1 guy in this offense. Burns needed a redshirt last year but we were forced to play him due to Cox's struggles. Kodi struggled throwing the ball last year, he struggled in the bowl game, and he has been inconsistent throwing in scrimmages so far as well. Look people, there is no favoritism towards Todd. He is flat out a better passer than Burns is, there is absolutely no dispute regarding this by anyone who has seen both throw the football. Todd is more consistent, gets through his reads faster, and he simply has a much better grasp of the offense. I've said it countless times: the QB who will get the majority of the starts will be the one who is the better passer. If Todd wasn't injured this would already have been settled.

[subterranean_jack 112]

Exactly

[AUTigerCourt 87]

I read the reports from Franklin today. I am wondering if they are seriously considering two quarterbacks for the season. If we have two QBs I hope we can be unpredictable and not have Todd throw and Burns run all the time. I would rather Burns step up and win the job because he is a duel threat, but he needs to be a complete passer as well as runner.

My favorite play of the Chick-fil-a bowl was when Franklin had Burns in for a play, and then put Cox back in to run the ball straight up the middle. That to me was one of the most unpredictable plays ever. I loved it! It still makes me smile!

[McWeagle 4]

All I am saying is that for a kid who has barely practiced with the team, still isn't 100% and we don't know when/if he will be, to be named as tied with Kodi just doesn't make any sense to me.

For those that are confused, you should start looking at this whole thing in terms of Kodi Burns and not in terms of Todd. All I see is people whining about Todd when in reality the reason why an injured Chris Todd is "co-#1" is blatantly simple: Kodi Burns is nowhere near polished enough to be the #1 guy in this offense. Burns needed a redshirt last year but we were forced to play him due to Cox's struggles. Kodi struggled throwing the ball last year, he struggled in the bowl game, and he has been inconsistent throwing in scrimmages so far as well. Look people, there is no favoritism towards Todd. He is flat out a better passer than Burns is, there is absolutely no dispute regarding this by anyone who has seen both throw the football. Todd is more consistent, gets through his reads faster, and he simply has a much better grasp of the offense. I've said it countless times: the QB who will get the majority of the starts will be the one who is the better passer. If Todd wasn't injured this would already have been settled.

Amen

[AURainman 6]

Just some food for thought.

Todd is wearing #12

Cox wore #12.

Burns = #18

2007: 12 + 18

2008: 12 + 18????

[kt7185 0]

I am still surprised to hear it explained like this. Kodi has performed well in the scrimmages and brings athleticism that Todd can't. Perhaps he just is not as good a passer but it has been said by Franklin that in a scrimmage where he is not live Kodi cannot use his tools to the fullest. Citing his scrimmage performance seems unfair. I am sure that Todd's experience in this system is helpful but I really can't imagine having an injured co #1 QB. Personally I don't think it matters because we are still 155 days away from the start of the season (thanks WJOX), but I don't think we will be disappointed by Kodi's ability once the season is underway.

WDE

[aubiescottie 1]

I read the reports from Franklin today. I am wondering if they are seriously considering two quarterbacks for the season. If we have two QBs I hope we can be unpredictable and not have Todd throw and Burns run all the time. I would rather Burns step up and win the job because he is a duel threat, but he needs to be a complete passer as well as runner.

My favorite play of the Chick-fil-a bowl was when Franklin had Burns in for a play, and then put Cox back in to run the ball straight up the middle. That to me was one of the most unpredictable plays ever. I loved it! It still makes me smile!

Not really on topic, but I enjoyed that one as well!

[autiger4life 3]

Burns has now said he is surprised that they are tied together as well. I am telling you that if Todd is all of that, then it shouldn't be a problem for him to prove it if/when his arm is better, but it isn't fair to just keep giving him the job. That reminds me of what happened with Cox.

[WAR-GIGEM-EAGLE 4]

i've been talking up Todd since i first found out he transferred here --- sadly his injuries have gotten him this spring, but he's going to make things happen on the field through the air this year. most of my friends are at texas tech or have recently graduated from there, and they loved him. I guess Graham Harrell can sling it just a little bit better than him. Harrell should've been up for the Heisman over Colt Brennan, but the media had some sort of love affair with the kid because of the adversity he has over come to get to where he is. Harrell's numbers are ridiculous though. I'm very excited to see Todd in this offense though, assuming his health doesnt get shaky.

[IndyTiger 3]

i've been talking up Todd since i first found out he transferred here --- sadly his injuries have gotten him this spring, but he's going to make things happen on the field through the air this year. most of my friends are at texas tech or have recently graduated from there, and they loved him. I guess Graham Harrell can sling it just a little bit better than him. Harrell should've been up for the Heisman over Colt Brennan, but the media had some sort of love affair with the kid because of the adversity he has over come to get to where he is. Harrell's numbers are ridiculous though. I'm very excited to see Todd in this offense though, assuming his health doesnt get shaky.

It could also be the fact that Hawai'i was undefeated until they ran into Georgia. And at the time of the heisman voting there were some who thought Hawai'i had a chance. Heisman has more to do with how the team does than anything else. How can you be the most valuable player if your team isn't that good?

[WAR-GIGEM-EAGLE 4]

i've been talking up Todd since i first found out he transferred here --- sadly his injuries have gotten him this spring, but he's going to make things happen on the field through the air this year. most of my friends are at texas tech or have recently graduated from there, and they loved him. I guess Graham Harrell can sling it just a little bit better than him. Harrell should've been up for the Heisman over Colt Brennan, but the media had some sort of love affair with the kid because of the adversity he has over come to get to where he is. Harrell's numbers are ridiculous though. I'm very excited to see Todd in this offense though, assuming his health doesnt get shaky.

It could also be the fact that Hawai'i was undefeated until they ran into Georgia. And at the time of the heisman voting there were some who thought Hawai'i had a chance Heisman has more to do with how the team does than anything else. How can you be the most valuable player if your team isn't that good?

it's an individual award based off individual stats, team performance should have nothing to do with it. if i score 8 TDs and run for 350 yds/game but by some freak chance my team gives up 9 TDs/game and we go 0 - 12 you're saying i dont deserve to be in the heisman running?? or even more realistically --- say my team were go only go 6 - 6 and now be bowl eligible but maybe not selected.

and anyone who thought that Hawaii stood an ounce of a chance against UGA --- was sitting with their fingers in their butts all season long. WAC is no comparison to SEC and in turn no comparison to the Big 12. Texas Tech would have been undefeated under those circumstances as well. I could only imagine how many yards and TDs Tech would have thrown up not having to go against the teams of the Big 12.

[autiger4life 3]

it's an individual award based off individual stats, team performance should have nothing to do with it. if i score 8 TDs and run for 350 yds/game but by some freak chance my team gives up 9 TDs/game and we go 0 - 12 you're saying i dont deserve to be in the heisman running?? or even more realistically --- say my team were go only go 6 - 6 and now be bowl eligible but maybe not selected.

No you wouldn't win. Would you deserve the win? Sure. See Colt Brennan vs. Troy Smith last year. Troy Smith was a good QB, not great and didn't deserve the award, but his team did great so he won it. Colt was much better last year than Smith. If the award wasn't political and about more than talent you would never hear, "First Sophomore to win it".

[WAR-GIGEM-EAGLE 4]

it's an individual award based off individual stats, team performance should have nothing to do with it. if i score 8 TDs and run for 350 yds/game but by some freak chance my team gives up 9 TDs/game and we go 0 - 12 you're saying i dont deserve to be in the heisman running?? or even more realistically --- say my team were go only go 6 - 6 and now be bowl eligible but maybe not selected.

No you wouldn't win. Would you deserve the win? Sure. See Colt Brennan vs. Troy Smith last year. Troy Smith was a good QB, not great and didn't deserve the award, but his team did great so he won it. Colt was much better last year than Smith. If the award wasn't political and about more than talent you would never hear, "First Sophomore to win it".

and this is my point --- because of the media's love affair with Brennan, tOSU, Tim Tebow, etc. they were on stage. In all fairness though, Tebow's numbers were sick and i probably would have picked him to win it as well.

2007 Stats

Harrell - CMP - 512 ATT - 713 PCT - 71.8 YDS- 5705 AVG - 8.0 TD - 48 INT - 14 <--- could have easily been our boy Chris Todd. (we just need a Michael Crabtree esque player to throw to)

Brennan - CMP - 359 ATT - 510 PCT - 70.4 YDS - 4343 AVG - 8.3 TD - 38 INT - 17

Texas Tech - W over #4 Oklahoma

W over #20 Virginia

Hawaii - W over #19 Boise State

[kt7185 0]

Just an addition to my post earlier where I said that Franklin knows Kodi does not pose as much of a threat when unable to run- here is a quote

"Kodi is never as good when he is not a threat to run, when he is a threat to run he is a lot better player and you just have to understand that and know it."