Jimmy Carter: Dumbest Human Alive...

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Jimmy Carter Defends Meeting With Hamas

WASHINGTON (AP) - Former President Carter said he feels "quite at ease" about meeting Hamas militants over the objections of Washington because the Palestinian group is essential to a future peace with Israel.

Carter, interviewed Saturday for ABC News'"This Week," airing Sunday, also said he would oppose a U.S. Olympic boycott and hopes all countries will join in the Beijing games.

WTH is this dumb butt talking about? He ordered the boycotting of the Olympics when we was President. I dont care how dumb you think Bush43 is, there is always Carter to make him look like an Einstein.

[AURaptor 1,137]

He knows that meeting w/ Hamas gives them the street cred they want, so they won't do anything to him. As for China....who knows? He might have forgotten that he boycotted the Soviet Games of 1980.

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Remember how the iranians dropped the hostages like hot potatoes when Reagan was elected? They were afraid that someone with a backbone was on the way into office.

[TitanTiger 21,176]

Actually, I think I've read where Carter cites that decision as one he regrets. He believes it really didn't do anything to improve the situation and merely punished the US athletes that had worked hard for 4 years to make the Olympics.

[Auburn85 436]

Actually, I think I've read where Carter cites the decision to run for president as one he regrets. He believes it really didn't do anything to improve any situation and merely punished the US citizens that had worked hard for 4 years to make their lives better.

kinda, sorta fixed that for you

[Tigermike 3,675]

I think if The Peanut Farmer wants to go he should. But since Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization he should go without secret service body guards and on his own dime.

I also think it was a good move for Olmert to tell Carter to take a hike.

Olmert Refuses To Meet with Carter

(IsraelNN.com) Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has turned down a request from former American president Jimmy Carter for a meeting during his visit to Israel next week. The Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni both said that their schedules will not allow a meeting, but an anonymous Israeli official told the Washington Times, "You draw your own conclusions." Other officials have expressed anger at Carter's proposed meeting with Syrian-based Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal.

However, President Shimon Peres, Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Israel Is Our Home (Yisrael Beiteinu) leader Knesset Member Avigdor Lieberman have scheduled to meet with the former president, whose recent book compares Israeli policies on the Palestinian Authority (PA) with former apartheid policies in South Africa.

Carter is scheduled to visit Sderot as well as Palestinian Authority (PA) Chairman Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah before traveling to Syria.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/144812

Knowing he will have problems with the Jewish vote if he does not do this:

Obama distances himself from Jimmy Carter on Hamas position

Barack Obama has distanced himself from Jimmy Carter, the former US president, who plans to meet Khaled Meshal, the leader of Hamas, the radical Palestinian party, in Syria next week.

By Edward Luce in Washington

Mr Obama, who has come under fire from Hillary Clinton for promising to meet hostile leaders – including Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad, the president of Iran, and Hugo Chávez of Venezuela – if he is elected, said he drew the line at Mr Meshal.

“Senator Obama does not agree with President Carter’s decision because he does not support negotiations with Hamas until they renounce terrorism, recognise Israel’s right to exist, and abide by past agreements,” a spokesman for the Obama campaign said.

Mr Obama’s move follows attacks from rightwing pundits and Clinton supporters over his relationship with Jeremiah Wright. In the past, Wright, Mr Obama’s former pastor, has given rhetorical support to controversial groups, such as the Nation of Islam, which has been accused of anti-Semitism.

Opinion polls also show that some Americans still believe Mr Obama is a Muslim, in spite of his repeated public avowals of his Christian faith. Since the Wright scandal broke last month, Mr Obama has deployed more patriotic symbols at his rallies and made more frequent references to the American flag and God.

Unsurprisingly, he has also been criticised for his stance on Hamas. Steve Clemons, a senior fellow at the New America Foundation, a centrist think-tank, said that many leading figures – including former national security advisers Brent Scowcroft and Zbigniew Brzezinski – endorsed direct talks with Hamas.

“While knocking Carter’s efforts, Obama fails to articulate how any negotiation that does not include an attempt at a negotiation with Hamas will be stable enough to believe in,” said Mr Clemons. “What is his position today, if not one that has been influenced by special interests whose political weight has undermined the strategic interests of the US?”

http://en.afrik.com/article13170.html

Obama Prepared To Talk with Ahmadinejad but not Hamas

(IsraelNN.com) Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama said he "does not agree" with former President Jimmy Carter's decision to meet with Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal in Syria until the party renounces terrorism, recognizes Israel's right to exist and abides by past agreements.

However, he previously has stated that he would meet with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad if elected president. Meeting with adversaries does not include Hamas, he told ABC News because Hamas does not recognize Israel. He did not explain his views on Ahmadinejad, who has called for "wiping Israel off the map."

Sen. Obama explained, "I think that it is entirely legitimate to make distinctions between those who are heads of state, heads of established countries and those who have advocated terrorism." (Is that what you call nuance?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/144811

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Wasn't the 1980 boycott over the invasion of Afghanistan? Take alook at ourselves now 28 years later.

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Wasn't the 1980 boycott over the invasion of Afghanistan? Take alook at ourselves now 28 years later.

28 Years ago he made a ton of bad decisions. Boycotting the Olympics just one of them. He also allowed the Shah to become a US puppet and then the Shah's overthrown govt leads to the govt that is most likely to start WWIII. Yeah utter brilliance....

Throw in the Panama Canal give away, the Hostage Crisis (because he was too dumb to call for the Embassy staff to leave), his failed economic policies, etc.

[arnaldoabru 11]

Wasn't the 1980 boycott over the invasion of Afghanistan? Take alook at ourselves now 28 years later.

28 Years ago he madee a ton of bad decisions. Boycotting the Olympics just one of them. He also allowed the Shah to become a US puppet and then the Shah's overthrown govt leads to the govt that is most likely to start WWIII. Yeah utter brilliance....

Throw in the Panama Canal give away, the Hostage Crisis (because he was too dumb to call for the Embassy staff to leave), his failed economic policies, etc.

The Shah was a puppet of the U.S. long before Carter became President.(By the way he was also a bad guy who tortured people,but we liked him). Oh S*&^t, we torture people too.

The Panama Canal.....Um,Um, I'm just trying to think when was the last time we had to send troops down there to make sure the boats got thru. I know 1989. We sent the army in to overthrow Noriega because he had blocked the Canal. No, wait a minute, that wasn't it... he was actually on the CIA payroll for 30 years.Then we got pissed because he was selling to much cocaine and spying for Cuba.

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The Shah was a puppet of the U.S. long before Carter became President.(By the way he was also a bad guy who tortured people,but we liked him). Sure was, Carter made the decision to support his rear end and that ended up with the Ayatollah coming back to power.

Oh S*&^t, we torture people too. That's right. We torture Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, there really arent any bad guys out there in the world... Give me a break, Torture is not supported by anyone. Were there/are there problems, sure.

The Panama Canal.....Um,Um, I'm just trying to think when was the last time we had to send troops down there to make sure the boats got thru. I know 1989. We sent the army in to overthrow Noriega because he had blocked the Canal. No, wait a minute, that wasn't it... he was actually on the CIA payroll for 30 years.Then we got pissed because he was selling to much cocaine and spying for Cuba.

Uhm...30 years, that would seem to include the Carter years too...

I think if you really think about it, I think you are making my point for me. If Carter was even close the saint he portrays himself to be he would have acted to intervene to stop the Iran crap, supporting a US friendly govt into Nicaragua rather than the Sandistas, the etc. He is just a dumb ole man who will raise the collective IQ of the world when he leaves this world. (Meant only slightly in jest.) I and many veterans loathe the bastage.

[arnaldoabru 11]

The Shah was a puppet of the U.S. long before Carter became President.(By the way he was also a bad guy who tortured people,but we liked him). Sure was, Carter made the decision to support his rear end and that ended up with the Ayatollah coming back to power.

Oh S*&^t, we torture people too. That's right. We torture Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, there really arent any bad guys out there in the world... Give me a break, Torture is not supported by anyone. Were there/are there problems, sure.

The Panama Canal.....Um,Um, I'm just trying to think when was the last time we had to send troops down there to make sure the boats got thru. I know 1989. We sent the army in to overthrow Noriega because he had blocked the Canal. No, wait a minute, that wasn't it... he was actually on the CIA payroll for 30 years.Then we got pissed because he was selling to much cocaine and spying for Cuba.

Uhm...30 years, that would seem to include the Carter years too...

I think if you really think about it, I think you are making my point for me. If Carter was even close the saint he portrays himself to be he would have acted to intervene to stop the Iran crap, supporting a US friendly govt into Nicaragua rather than the Sandistas, the etc. He is just a dumb ole man who will raise the collective IQ of the world when he leaves this world. (Meant only slightly in jest.) I and many veterans loathe the bastage.

Torture is supported by this administration. There was a meeting by the big dogs to hash out which kinds to use.Even Ashcroft said something to the effect "that history is not going to look kindly on this'

I would support torture on the Easter Bunny. He kind of creeps me out.

[TitanTiger 21,176]

The Shah was a puppet of the U.S. long before Carter became President.(By the way he was also a bad guy who tortured people,but we liked him). Sure was, Carter made the decision to support his rear end and that ended up with the Ayatollah coming back to power.

Oh S*&^t, we torture people too. That's right. We torture Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, there really arent any bad guys out there in the world... Give me a break, Torture is not supported by anyone. Were there/are there problems, sure.

The Panama Canal.....Um,Um, I'm just trying to think when was the last time we had to send troops down there to make sure the boats got thru. I know 1989. We sent the army in to overthrow Noriega because he had blocked the Canal. No, wait a minute, that wasn't it... he was actually on the CIA payroll for 30 years.Then we got pissed because he was selling to much cocaine and spying for Cuba.

Uhm...30 years, that would seem to include the Carter years too...

I think if you really think about it, I think you are making my point for me. If Carter was even close the saint he portrays himself to be he would have acted to intervene to stop the Iran crap, supporting a US friendly govt into Nicaragua rather than the Sandistas, the etc. He is just a dumb ole man who will raise the collective IQ of the world when he leaves this world. (Meant only slightly in jest.) I and many veterans loathe the bastage.

Torture is supported by this administration. There was a meeting by the big dogs to hash out which kinds to use.Even Ashcroft said something to the effect "that history is not going to look kindly on this'

I would support torture on the Easter Bunny. He kind of creeps me out.

For once, I agree with arnaldo. This administration has the same zeal for defending torture that NARAL has for supporting abortion and it's deplorable. And they use the same kind of Orwellian doublespeak to make it sound less bad: "enhanced interrogation" is just one example. It's a terrible moral blind spot and we're forfeiting our soul as a nation over it.

[DKW 86 7,886]

The Shah was a puppet of the U.S. long before Carter became President.(By the way he was also a bad guy who tortured people,but we liked him). Sure was, Carter made the decision to support his rear end and that ended up with the Ayatollah coming back to power.

Oh S*&^t, we torture people too. That's right. We torture Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, there really arent any bad guys out there in the world... Give me a break, Torture is not supported by anyone. Were there/are there problems, sure.

The Panama Canal.....Um,Um, I'm just trying to think when was the last time we had to send troops down there to make sure the boats got thru. I know 1989. We sent the army in to overthrow Noriega because he had blocked the Canal. No, wait a minute, that wasn't it... he was actually on the CIA payroll for 30 years.Then we got pissed because he was selling to much cocaine and spying for Cuba.

Uhm...30 years, that would seem to include the Carter years too...

I think if you really think about it, I think you are making my point for me. If Carter was even close the saint he portrays himself to be he would have acted to intervene to stop the Iran crap, supporting a US friendly govt into Nicaragua rather than the Sandistas, the etc. He is just a dumb ole man who will raise the collective IQ of the world when he leaves this world. (Meant only slightly in jest.) I and many veterans loathe the bastage.

Torture is supported by this administration. There was a meeting by the big dogs to hash out which kinds to use.Even Ashcroft said something to the effect "that history is not going to look kindly on this'

I would support torture on the Easter Bunny. He kind of creeps me out.

For once, I agree with arnaldo. This administration has the same zeal for defending torture that NARAL has for supporting abortion and it's deplorable. And they use the same kind of Orwellian doublespeak to make it sound less bad: "enhanced interrogation" is just one example. It's a terrible moral blind spot and we're forfeiting our soul as a nation over it.

And I agree on that point. However, this thread was about Carter. He calls for a boycott in 1980 and then publicly decries its use against the Chinese? What a freakin hipocrit. He ruins the careers of our athletes back then and doesnt even have the guts to stay with HIS decision when we are facing a human rights destruction machine in China? WTF?

Carter was an idiot on economic policy, foreign policy, etc. People out of work-he does nothing. Inflation running wild-he does nothing. Energy crisis-he does nothing. Tax rates were 70% at the margin under Carter. WTH? And he cant figure out whats wrong with the economy with the entire business and investment markets screaming at him to lower the tax rate. IDIOT!

He even sucked on Olympic Policy! He treated the enlisted people under him worse than dirt. He kept our pay so low that when I was in if you had a child and were E-5 and lower you qualified for food stamps. FOOD STAMPS for our enlisted people and the bastage would not fix the problem even after a 60 Minutes segment pissed off half the nation.

Now he wants to be recognized as a humanitarian. BFD! He was the 1-2 worst President in the 20th Century, only Hoover comes close. Carter's death will raise the collective IQ of the world.

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The Shah was a puppet of the U.S. long before Carter became President.(By the way he was also a bad guy who tortured people,but we liked him). Sure was, Carter made the decision to support his rear end and that ended up with the Ayatollah coming back to power.

Oh S*&^t, we torture people too. That's right. We torture Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, there really arent any bad guys out there in the world... Give me a break, Torture is not supported by anyone. Were there/are there problems, sure.

The Panama Canal.....Um,Um, I'm just trying to think when was the last time we had to send troops down there to make sure the boats got thru. I know 1989. We sent the army in to overthrow Noriega because he had blocked the Canal. No, wait a minute, that wasn't it... he was actually on the CIA payroll for 30 years.Then we got pissed because he was selling to much cocaine and spying for Cuba.

Uhm...30 years, that would seem to include the Carter years too...

I think if you really think about it, I think you are making my point for me. If Carter was even close the saint he portrays himself to be he would have acted to intervene to stop the Iran crap, supporting a US friendly govt into Nicaragua rather than the Sandistas, the etc. He is just a dumb ole man who will raise the collective IQ of the world when he leaves this world. (Meant only slightly in jest.) I and many veterans loathe the bastage.

Torture is supported by this administration. There was a meeting by the big dogs to hash out which kinds to use.Even Ashcroft said something to the effect "that history is not going to look kindly on this'

I would support torture on the Easter Bunny. He kind of creeps me out.

For once, I agree with arnaldo. This administration has the same zeal for defending torture that NARAL has for supporting abortion and it's deplorable. And they use the same kind of Orwellian doublespeak to make it sound less bad: "enhanced interrogation" is just one example. It's a terrible moral blind spot and we're forfeiting our soul as a nation over it.

I'm going to print this out and blow it up to put on my wall.

[Tigermike 3,675]

The peanut man is on his own.

Israel snubs Carter and declines security help

By Adam Entous 32 minutes ago

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's secret service declined to assist U.S. agents guarding former U.S. President Jimmy Carter during a visit in which Israeli leaders shunned him over his plans to meet Hamas, U.S. sources said on Monday.

"They're not getting support from local security," one of the sources said, on condition of anonymity.

An Israeli security source said the Shin Bet security service provided no protection to Carter during his visit to the Jewish state because no request was made.

Asked about the Israeli account, Carter's delegation, which had previously declined to comment, told Reuters in a statement: "The Carter delegation inquired with both the lead agent of the Secret Service detail (protecting Carter) and the State Department Regional Security Officer and were told unequivocally that an official request for assistance had been made."

American sources close to the matter said the Shin Bet, which helps protect visiting dignitaries and is overseen by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office, declined to meet the head of Carter's Secret Service detail or provide his team with assistance as is customary during such visits.

Carter, who brokered Israel's first peace treaty with an Arab neighbor, Egypt, signed in 1979, met Israel's largely ceremonial president, Shimon Peres, on Sunday. But Israel's political leadership, including Olmert, steered clear of the Nobel Peace Prize winner.

The former U.S. leader has angered the Israeli government with plans to meet Hamas's top leader, Khaled Meshaal, in Syria, and for describing Israeli policy in the occupied Palestinian territories as "a system of apartheid" in a 2006 book.

Carter has defended talks with Hamas as an opportunity to gauge the group's willingness to accept Arab peace overtures.

He visited the Israeli border town of Sderot on Monday and said he was "distressed" by cross-border rockets fired by militants in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.

"I think it's a despicable crime for any deliberate effort to be made to kill innocent civilians," Carter said, adding that he hoped a ceasefire would be reached soon.

Israel said it rejected Carter's request to meet jailed Palestinian uprising leader Marwan Barghouthi, who is seen as a possible successor to President Mahmoud Abbas.

Barghouthi was convicted in 2004 of murder by an Israeli court over the killing of four Israelis and a Greek Orthodox monk in attacks by Palestinian militants. He is serving five life sentences.

"UNPRECEDENTED" BREACH

An American source described as "unprecedented" the lack of Shin Bet cooperation with the U.S. Secret Service, which protects all current and former U.S. presidents, as well as Israeli leaders when they visit the United States.

The Bush administration and close U.S. ally Israel oppose Carter's planned meeting with Meshaal, whose Islamist group won Palestinian parliamentary elections in 2006 but was boycotted by the West for refusing to renounce violence and recognize Israel.

Israel and the United States have sought to isolate Hamas, which seized control of the Gaza Strip in June from more secular Fatah forces loyal to Abbas. Abbas holds sway in the occupied West Bank and has launched U.S.-backed peace talks with Olmert.

Hamas leaders have offered a long-term truce with Israel in return for a viable Palestinian state in the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip, but the group's 1988 founding charter calls for the destruction of the Jewish state.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080414/pl_nm/israel_carter_dc