TitanTiger 22,258 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Utah made quite a statement for it. Here are their top three teams: Utah 13-0 Key wins: Alabama, Michigan, Oregon State, TCU, BYU TCU 11-2 Key wins: Stanford, Boise State, BYU Key losses: @Oklahoma (35-10), Utah (13-10) BYU 10-3 Key wins: UCLA Key losses: TCU, Utah, Arizona My initial take, all things considered, is that they need to add three more teams and have a conference title game due to the weakness of their current configuration after the top 3. I'd propose grabbing Boise State, Fresno State and Nevada. That would add some strength and make them have to go through a title game. At that point, I think they'd have just as much of a case as the Big East does now. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
PChamp119 96 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I definitely understand the possibility and I wouldn't necessary say anyone who thinks they should be a BCS conference is wrong. But I will say this: I want to see the MWC schedule tougher competition on a normal basis and beat that competition. TCU and BYU each lost their biggest non-conference games of the year (Oklahoma, Utah, Arizona). Looking at TT's numbers, they have victories over: Michigan - OK, they picked a bad year to schedule UM, but they did still win. Oregon State - this is a very good "above average" opponent to schedule and they did win it. Alabama - this was due to bowl match ups, not a regular season schedule. BYU (who didn't beat anybody this year), Boise State, and TCU (who lost most of their big games and only big win was over Boise) are all good teams who play in weaker conferences. Perhaps these few teams are just the best of the least? TCU nor BYU have big wins over BCS conference teams. I guess my point is - any team can get up and play big for one big week (like Utah did over Bama). But can these teams play with the big boys on a consistent basis? Could Utah and TCU go 10-2 if they were in the SEC / Big 10 / etc. Most of their significant wins are against the better teams of lesser conferences and the fact that they don't lose games they shouldn't. The champion of the MWC may be a very good team each year, but is their CONFERENCE strong? You stick Auburn and USC in the SWAC and you will have two teams that go 10-2 or better each year and can get a big bowl or non-conference win each year. Does that mean the SWAC should deserve BCS consideration because of one or two great teams? To get my vote, I want to see Utah, TCU, Boise, etc schedule the big boys for at least 3 non-conference games a year. Let's see how these teams schedule a powerhouse (Oklahoma, USC, Florida, etc), and good BCS team (Auburn, California, Texas Tech, etc) and an average BCS team (Illinois, Arizona, UCLA, Vandy, etc.). Let's see how they manage a season and not just one game. And not just against other non-BCS powerhouses (TCU, Boise, BYU). Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARNER 3 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Agree with PC. We beat ourselves to death over the duration of an SEC schedule. I'd like to see their schedule offer the same challenges. Basically, Utah played an off week and an on week giving them the opportunity to game plan and re-charge every other week. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,258 Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 If we're going to compare them to the SEC, then I think you'd have to drop the Big East from the BCS as well. They aren't any better than the MWC in terms of toughness of the conference slate. I mean, seriously, does this conference lineup scare most people most years? Cincinnati Connecticut Louisville Pittsburgh Rutgers South Florida Syracuse West Virginia West Virginia is the only one that's shown staying power and schedules and wins good non-conference games consistently. Louisville, post-Petrino, has fallen off the map. Cincy went 11-3, but lost their two toughest non-con games (Oklahoma and Va. Tech) badly. They also lost 40-26 to UConn. Rutgers got waxed by Fresno State and North Carolina. I'd say the MWC deserves to be in (if they add Boise and Fresno) if the Big East does. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLink02 8 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Neither the MWC nor the Big East should have automatic BCS bids Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadillacattack 0 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 NO. It's time for an objective method of determining a champion rather than continue to tweak and twank the inherently bad system that we currently use. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 7,549 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 AMEN TO THAT! Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURainman 6 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 BCS conference? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm not convinced we even NEED BCS conferences. It stinks of the "old guard." It's the old guard that needs to be torn down in order to have a successful postseason. I have no doubts that college football is the best sport on the planet (IMHO). That being said, it has the WORST postseason of any sport on the planet. We've built the artificial "trust" between the "haves" that keeps the "have-nots" out in the cold. The only recognized champion must be born into privilege? REALLY? That's how we do it? Ridiculous. Here is ALL that should matter. 1. What division are you in? (D1, FBS) 2. How well did you play? (Undefeated) 3. Who did you play? (Bama, Michigan, OSU, TCU, BYU) If those three questions dictate you are a playoff worthy team, you should be able to compete for a championship. No "birthright" should dictate who is worthy and who is not. It's awful. I feel like Utah got a screwjob even worse than Auburn in 2004. At least THEN, you could argue that USC/OU/AU all deserved a shot, since they were all undefeated. No one has a better resume than Utah, because Utah NEVER failed to pull out a win. IF you disagree with me, that's perfectly reasonable. I can see your side of the story. However, if you disagree with me, then you must acknowledge that Utah is NOT in the same division as the OU/UF's of the world. The fact that we pretend they are in the same division and award them NO chance at a national championship is irresponsible and unfair. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw 4 au 546 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 How about Utah and BYU join the PAC-10 so they can become more legitimate conference with a conference championship game? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNewby 27 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 College Football Royalty? Say it ain't so, Joe! I'm with President-elect Obama. I want a fair playoff. If you play your way into it during the regular season, you should be included. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU alum 2 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Neither the MWC nor the Big East should have automatic BCS bids Who is in the Big East? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
92AUGRAD 4 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 BCS conference? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm not convinced we even NEED BCS conferences. It stinks of the "old guard." It's the old guard that needs to be torn down in order to have a successful postseason. I have no doubts that college football is the best sport on the planet (IMHO). That being said, it has the WORST postseason of any sport on the planet. We've built the artificial "trust" between the "haves" that keeps the "have-nots" out in the cold. The only recognized champion must be born into privilege? REALLY? That's how we do it? Ridiculous. Here is ALL that should matter. 1. What division are you in? (D1, FBS) 2. How well did you play? (Undefeated) 3. Who did you play? (Bama, Michigan, OSU, TCU, BYU) If those three questions dictate you are a playoff worthy team, you should be able to compete for a championship. No "birthright" should dictate who is worthy and who is not. It's awful. I feel like Utah got a screwjob even worse than Auburn in 2004. At least THEN, you could argue that USC/OU/AU all deserved a shot, since they were all undefeated. No one has a better resume than Utah, because Utah NEVER failed to pull out a win. IF you disagree with me, that's perfectly reasonable. I can see your side of the story. However, if you disagree with me, then you must acknowledge that Utah is NOT in the same division as the OU/UF's of the world. The fact that we pretend they are in the same division and award them NO chance at a national championship is irresponsible and unfair. I absolutely agree with this. I don't think automatic ties should exist. If your in the top 10, you should be going to a BCS game. And if your conference has more than 2 teams in the top 10 then number 11 goes. Period, no questions asked. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weagle98 119 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Good Points Rainman. Why be part of a league that you can never win. I think if a team goes undefeated and they can't "win" the league then something is majorly wrong. Div 1 needs to lose about 20 or 30 teams, say down to 96 teams in 8 different 12 team conferences. Then a playoff needs to happen from those conferences. Or drop it down to 72 teams and have 6 conference champions and 2 at large. It is rediculous that anyone, even akron, can go undefeated and then say well you still can't win the league. What if we said well the Dolphins schedule isn't that hard so they don't deserve a shot. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntsvilleTiger 0 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 My initial take, all things considered, is that they need to add three more teams and have a conference title game due to the weakness of their current configuration after the top 3. I'd propose grabbing Boise State, Fresno State and Nevada. That would add some strength and make them have to go through a title game. At that point, I think they'd have just as much of a case as the Big East does now. I think they are just as deserving of being a BCS conf. as the Big East is already without the changes suggested above. I mean, seriously, who in the Big East scares anyone year to year? I do agree if those above changes were made, then they would definitely have more of a case than the Big East. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 4,266 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Neither the MWC nor the Big East should have automatic BCS bids Who is in the Big East? CINCINNATI CONNECTICUT DEPAUL GEORGETOWN LOUISVILLE MARQUETTE PITTSBURGH RUTGERS SETON HALL SOUTH FLORIDA ST. JOHN'S SYRACUSE VILLANOVA WEST VIRGINIA Obviously they all don't play football. And I agree with SLINK, neither the MWC nor the Big East should have automatic BCS bids. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaDE'05 8 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Utah and BYU or Boise St. Join the Pac 10. Notre Dame, Navy, Army and East Carolina join the Big East. Both of these Conferences have Championship games. Pac-10 champ plays Big 10 champ in Rose Bowl on New Years Day. Big 12 champ plays At Large* #1 in Fiesta Bowl New Years Night. ACC champ plays Big East Champ in Orange Bowl on Jan 2 Day. SEC champ plays At Large* #2 in the Sugar Bowl on Jan 2 Night. Rose Bowl Champ plays Fiesta Bowl Champ on Jan. 8 (Rotating sites between Pasadena and Phoenix) Sugar Bowl Champ plays Orange Bowl Champ on Jan. 9 (Rotating sites between Miami and N.O.) Winners play in National Championship Game on Jan. 17 at a predetermined location similar to the Final Four and the Superbowl All bowls stay in tact, double hosting gets doubled meaning more money for the bowls and the cities hosting them. College football season get extended by a week. And the crystal trophy is legitimized. It makes too much sense. They'll never go for it. *At Large bids would be given to the two teams with the highest BCS Ranking who were not BCS conference champions. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUdrew1 3 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 No it's time to get rid of the BCS and have a +1 playoff. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weagle98 119 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 No it's time to get rid of the BCS and have a +1 playoff. So who should play in it this year? USC or Utah Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 3,173 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 No. The premise is all wrong. It's way past time to scrap the BCS entirely because it can't fairly determine 2 teams to play in an NC game as it was intended. Good intentions are not enough. BG is fond of saying uat was 7 min from playing in the BCS Mythical Crystal Game. Had they pulled out a win against UF they surely would have too. The BCS rankings at the time had them at #1 in the country. The (so-called) #1 team in the country lost a very close game to UF which could have easily gone the other way. So ... after Utah's total byotch-slapping of the former (BCS-ranked) #1 team in the Sugar Bowl, what kind of moron do you have to be to accept the BCS rankings at face value? I heard Mike Golic on ESPN radio this morning stating flat out that "Utah shouldn't jump SC in the polls because they were only ranked 6th." It's all a sham based on perception & bias of the pollsters. Utah is every bit as deserving as playing in the BCS Mythical Crystal Game as either OU or UF. The BCS proved it couldn't handle more than 2 undefeated teams at one time in 2004, and now it's proving grossly inadequate at selecting the "two best" from one undefeated and a host of one-loss teams. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaDE'05 8 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 No it's time to get rid of the BCS and have a +1 playoff. If you get rid of the BCS, how do you determine who plays in the semi-final games before the +1? This year you'd have to pick four between Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, USC, Penn St, Utah and Texas Tech. A +1 system would be just as dependent on the BCS rankings as the current system. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLink02 8 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Take away the Big East Automatic. Install a 8-team playoff. ACC, Big 10, Big 12, SEC, Pac 10 conference winners get automatic bid. The last 3 spots are given to the highest BCS ranked non-conference winners. The regular season loses very little of that "magic" as you would need to be one of the 3 highest non-conference winning teams. Anybody want to know what those 3 teams would have been this year? #3 - Texas, #4 - Alabama, #7 - Utah. So, there is very little if any wiggle room still allowed in the regular season. Any regular season loss magic-wise that people feel would occur (which would be minimal, imo), all of that gets made up and then some in this playoff scenario with their teams. And will people stop using the argument that the #9 teams would then complain, etc....so what? I mean, so what? That team would complain and complain just like the #66 and #67 teams complain in the NCAA bracket yet when the games begin, that will be totally forgotten because a #9 team being left out is NOTHING like Texas this year or AU in '04. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebdawg 5 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 The Mountain West is 10 times the conference of the Big East or ACC and 100 times better than the Big 10 (11). Why not? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaDE'05 8 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Take away the Big East Automatic. Install a 8-team playoff. ACC, Big 10, Big 12, SEC, Pac 10 conference winners get automatic bid. The last 3 spots are given to the highest BCS ranked non-conference winners. The regular season loses very little of that "magic" as you would need to be one of the 3 highest non-conference winning teams. Anybody want to know what those 3 teams would have been this year? #3 - Texas, #4 - Alabama, #7 - Utah. So, there is very little if any wiggle room still allowed in the regular season. Any regular season loss magic-wise that people feel would occur (which would be minimal, imo), all of that gets made up and then some in this playoff scenario with their teams. And will people stop using the argument that the #9 teams would then complain, etc....so what? I mean, so what? That team would complain and complain just like the #66 and #67 teams complain in the NCAA bracket yet when the games begin, that will be totally forgotten because a #9 team being left out is NOTHING like Texas this year or AU in '04. I'm with you, Slink... See my post at the top of the page. I think there are a couple of considerations that would have to be made for an 8 team playoff. The only way that the Big East would ever be dropped from the BCS is if they came out with some rule stating that all BCS conferences must have at least 10 teams. Then, the Big East would just grab a couple of MAC or CUSA teams. I think "undoing" the Big East's automatic bid would be near impossible. The other consideration is that the bowl system needs to stay as close to its current form as possible. There's too much $$$ for it not to. And the Rose Bowl will have to be played on New Years day. The Rose Bowl will never play ball with any other idea. This is why I suggested what I did in my previous post. It's essentially an 8 team playoff with a bowl structure. Call it a +2 Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger1 0 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Take away the automatic bid on every conference. Just play the game and let the chips fall. Really, why did Va Tech and Cincy actually get the Orange Bowl? Pathetic. As for that matter why is OSU in a BCS bowl, wouldn't have TT with only one loss been just as deserving as OSU? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU1941 6 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 See all these arguments? No one can agree on a "perfect" system. So, since no one can agree on a "perfect" system, we may as well just keep our "imperfect" system in place. Like it or lump it folks! The BCS is here to stay. The discussion of a play-off gets mentioned every year, and NOTHING ever comes of it. Hell, the SEC coaches couldn't even agree on it last season. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55185-is-it-time-for-the-mountain-west-to-be-a-bcs-conference/#findComment-570511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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