Chizik has now run

[AUman43 5]

Clinton Durst off the team. CTT promised him a scholly and apparently Chizik has renigned on that offer. NOT GOOD! This character continues to amaze and disappoint.

[Justin5 20]

I'm getting close to being there.

[autigeremt 7,553]

I don't see how Chizik can be blamed with "ending" this guys career at Auburn when it was Tuberville who did the promising. I hate to hear it, but Chizik is the new HC, and he already has a punter on scholly (Shoemaker). In today's NCAA, schollys are gold.

Just my .02 worth. I still hate to hear it.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

I don't see how Chizik can be blamed with "ending" this guys career at Auburn when it was Tubberville who did the promising. I hate to hear it, but Chizik is the new HC, and he already has a punter on scholly (Shoemaker). In today's NCAA, schollys are gold.

Just my .02 worth. I still hate to hear it.

BUT....after Tubs was fired, Durst went to JJ who assured him Tub's promise would be honored. When Chizik didn't want to give a scholly to Durst, JJ backed down. So much for the honor of Jacobs, our AD who has no honor and no balls.

[metafour 5,777]

I don't see how Chizik can be blamed with "ending" this guys career at Auburn when it was Tubberville who did the promising. I hate to hear it, but Chizik is the new HC, and he already has a punter on scholly (Shoemaker). In today's NCAA, schollys are gold.

Just my .02 worth. I still hate to hear it.

BUT....after Tubs was fired, Durst went to JJ who assured him Tub's promise would be honored. When Chizik didn't want to give a scholly to Durst, JJ backed down. So much for the honor of Jacobs, our AD who has no honor and no balls.

Why should/would our AD have a say in specific football roster decisions?

[autigeremt 7,553]

I don't see how Chizik can be blamed with "ending" this guys career at Auburn when it was Tuberville who did the promising. I hate to hear it, but Chizik is the new HC, and he already has a punter on scholly (Shoemaker). In today's NCAA, schollys are gold.

Just my .02 worth. I still hate to hear it.

BUT....after Tubs was fired, Durst went to JJ who assured him Tub's promise would be honored. When Chizik didn't want to give a scholly to Durst, JJ backed down. So much for the honor of Jacobs, our AD who has no honor and no balls.

If that's the case, then I agree with you. I don't know about all of that. Since the TT deal, I have made it a point to steer clear of JJ. Except for a letter of recomendation for James Coach Judas, I haven't communicated with the man.

[PChamp119 96]

I don't see how Chizik can be blamed with "ending" this guys career at Auburn when it was Tubberville who did the promising. I hate to hear it, but Chizik is the new HC, and he already has a punter on scholly (Shoemaker). In today's NCAA, schollys are gold.

Just my .02 worth. I still hate to hear it.

I am willing to bet we don't hit 85 scholarships this year. Seeing that we lost two early to the NFL and will have a pretty crappy class, I think we could've spared one for our best punter.

And it's Tuberville.... even 10 years and a firing later, people still can't get it right

[autigeremt 7,553]

Happy now....damn. I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR!

I AM NOT FREE OF MISTAKES. I REPEAT, I AM NOT FREE OF MISTAKES.

Back to your regularly scheduled english major.

[Orange_and_Blue 0]

Chizik is doing as he sees fit. Get over it! I feel bad for Durst but this is Chiziks team now and he makes the decisions that he believes will win ball games. Blame T Tubs for giving Shoemaker a scholly if he wasnt good enough to beat out a walk on. Man, you guys are saying you can either sign a WR who we desperately need or give a feel good story a scholly. I know which one will help win more ball games and Shoemaker will do just fine. Now, if we had an extra scholly open then maybe slide it to the kid if we cant fill all the slots. Do not judge Chiziks character because he is trying to WIN. That is what we hired him for is it not. If you want feel good stories go cheer for an underdog like Davidson to win March Madness.

[metafour 5,777]

I am willing to bet we don't hit 85 scholarships this year.

Actually there is now talk from Anthony Gulley's (who "committed" to us) coach that he may not have an offer yet and that it would take until signing day to determine whether or not we will have space for him.

[PChamp119 96]

I am willing to bet we don't hit 85 scholarships this year.

Actually there is now talk from Anthony Gulley's (who "committed" to us) coach that he may not have an offer yet and that it would take until signing day to determine whether or not we will have space for him.

Could be subject to the 25 limit? There are many factors. Could be a specific position. Could be if the coaches want somebody else instead.

[metafour 5,777]

I am willing to bet we don't hit 85 scholarships this year.

Actually there is now talk from Anthony Gulley's (who "committed" to us) coach that he may not have an offer yet and that it would take until signing day to determine whether or not we will have space for him.

Could be subject to the 25 limit? There are many factors. Could be a specific position. Could be if the coaches want somebody else instead.

Could be, but it clearly shows we are scholarship-aware, enough to suggest that they clearly DONT see having two scholarship punters on roster as something they want.

[AUman43 5]

God, some of you guys amaze me! You criticize Coach Judas for leaving and not having any honor and you give Chizik a "pass" for reniging on a scholly promise to Durst! Where is the honor in that? I suppose it's all in the beholder's eye according to you guys. I do agree however, that JJ has no balls or courage!

[metafour 5,777]

God, some of you guys amaze me! You criticize Coach Judas for leaving and not having any honor and you give Chizik a "pass" for reniging on a scholly promise to Durst! Where is the honor in that? I suppose it's all in the beholder's eye according to you guys. I do agree however, that JJ has no balls or courage!

How is Chizik AT ALL to blame here? He didn't promise Durst ****, and he has NO, and I mean N-O obligation to follow through with anything Tuberville OR JJ promised. This guy was hired to win, and BTW he was blasted by everyone (media, fans) when he was hired...if he doesn't want 2 scholarship punters on the team then thats his freaking choice and it is a hard one to make for what he believes is right for the future of this team. History definitely shows that the first thing a newly hired HC will do is hand out scholarships like they are food stamps...NOT. Scholarship coordination is among the biggest challenge within new hires.

How is this in any way related to Willis again? God, the Closet Bammers are strong.

[AU alum 2]

Does it seem to anybody else that al.com is gleefully announcing anything that happens at Auburn that is not good? I get the feeling that some of the Auburn beat writers there are not completely Auburn fans (if you get my drift). Also, they "kindly" print articles on there that are more Alabama than Auburn. I sense the finger of the Bammerham News in this.

[OldNewby 27]

To some on this board, if a house burns down in Slapout, it's CGC's fault. If a cat gets run over, it's CGC's fault. If your dog has fleas, it's CGC's fault. If it's not his fault, it's JJ's fault.

Grow the **** up.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Chizik is doing as he sees fit. Get over it! I feel bad for Durst but this is Chiziks team now and he makes the decisions that he believes will win ball games. Blame T Tubs for giving Shoemaker a scholly if he wasnt good enough to beat out a walk on. Man, you guys are saying you can either sign a WR who we desperately need or give a feel good story a scholly. I know which one will help win more ball games and Shoemaker will do just fine. Now, if we had an extra scholly open then maybe slide it to the kid if we cant fill all the slots. Do not judge Chiziks character because he is trying to WIN. That is what we hired him for is it not. If you want feel good stories go cheer for an underdog like Davidson to win March Madness.

You miss the point. Whether Tubs should have promised Durst a scholly or not is debatable. But he did. And he was the HC at the time. If you say Chizik should run things the way he wants to then you have to grant Tubs the same courtesy. So why do you blame Tubs?

[WaDE'05 8]

As I said in another thread on the topic...

Durst is fine. He has a lot of talent. He wasn't a scholarship athlete, so he his free to transfer without penalty to any school he chooses. Even if that weren't the case he still has 4 years to play three. If Jacobs made Durst a deal after the Tuberville firing, then Jacobs screwed up by going beyond his scope of power. If, in fact, Jay Jacobs made a deal with Durst and CGC didn't see that it was prudent to offer a second punter a scholarship when he already has a former All-SEC punter on his roster of 85, then I'm glad to see that Jacobs isn't micro-managing the program by forcing CGC to offer.

Now, if everything we are hearing is true the blame rests solely on Jacobs. Not for "going back on his word" but for his mouth writing a check his @$$ couldn't cash. Jacobs should apologize to Durst for speaking out of his rear, and then do one of two things a) do all that he can to ensure that Durst gets a scholarship at another school, or help Durst get the financial aid he would need to remain in school this year so that the coaching staff (if they are interested) could sign him next year with three years of eligibility left. This was a Jacobs screw up from start to finish and he should be the one to make it right.

To me this is a non-issue at worst and a win/win at best. For the following reasons:

• For Durst, he got a year of national exposure and grooming as a punter that likely will pay for his college education somewhere.

• The situation demonstrates that CGC and his staff are in control of the say to day operations of the program not the higher ups, as many (including myself) are constantly suspecting.

• It gets Jay Jacobs one tiny step closer to possibly losing his job.

So to the sky is falling, crowd... there maybe things about the program right now that should cause concern, but this is most definitely not one of them.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

God, some of you guys amaze me! You criticize Coach Judas for leaving and not having any honor and you give Chizik a "pass" for reniging on a scholly promise to Durst! Where is the honor in that? I suppose it's all in the beholder's eye according to you guys. I do agree however, that JJ has no balls or courage!

How is Chizik AT ALL to blame here? He didn't promise Durst ****, and he has NO, and I mean N-O obligation to follow through with anything Tuberville OR JJ promised. This guy was hired to win, and BTW he was blasted by everyone (media, fans) when he was hired...if he doesn't want 2 scholarship punters on the team then thats his freaking choice and it is a hard one to make for what he believes is right for the future of this team. History definitely shows that the first thing a newly hired HC will do is hand out scholarships like they are food stamps...NOT. Scholarship coordination is among the biggest challenge within new hires.

How is this in any way related to Willis again? God, the Closet Bammers are strong.

Last I checked, JJ is Chizik's boss. I don't blame Chizik in this. I blame JJ. If he wasn't going to honor the scholly for Durst he shouldn't have told him he would. The issus here is not Chizik or Willis at all. It's about honor, something I feel is very important for Auburn officials to have. The problem now is JJ and some other PTB have no honor and this kind of turmoil we are in will continue until changes are made. I wish I could drink the koolaid and be more positive but I believe in facing reality.

I know if I was thinking about walking on at Auburn in hopes of getting a scholly I would have second thoughts right now.

[mcgufcm 4,109]

meta we may be "scholarship aware" but that doesn't decrease the need for a non-neurotic All-SEC caliber punter. Shoemaker doesn't fit that bill. Durst did. AND although I rarely make a habit of doing this, I completely agree with PC. We won't have 85 guys on scholarship unless we award some current non-scholarship players scholarships later. Some player we sign will unexpectedly not make grades OR someone on the team won't make grades OR someone will get booted, etc. Very few teams have 85 scholies on the number. We won't be one of them without fudging the numbers. We had/have plenty of room for arguably the best punter in the SEC. This was stupid.

[Ryan Sanders 123]

Does it seem to anybody else that al.com is gleefully announcing anything that happens at Auburn that is not good? I get the feeling that some of the Auburn beat writers there are not completely Auburn fans (if you get my drift). Also, they "kindly" print articles on there that are more Alabama than Auburn. I sense the finger of the Bammerham News in this.

Well.. Has anything good happened lately? We have hired some great coaches.. but nobody wants to play for them.

While Chizik has done great on the coach hirings... I am beginning to wonder about his management in other areas. We can't afford to keep losing players. Is Shoemaker guaranteed 4 years on scholarship? I just don't like losing Durst.. he flipped the field very nicely. Of course, Shoemaker did have a nice season 2 years ago.

[AURainman 6]

You all are hilarious.

Why all the fuss over a WALKON punter leaving Auburn? Why?

Answer me this. At WHAT stage of his career did our leading receiver from last year get his scholarship?

That's right. Rod Smith (a walkon) got his scholarship for his last two years at Auburn. He had to play two full seasons before he could land a scholly. Durst would be on his second full season. Where was the outcry for Rod Smith a few years back?

I don't give a flip what Tuberville promised. Tuberville didn't make it happen. Maybe he was intending to, but he didn't. So, Durst never really lost anything.

Thank you for your excellent work this last year Durst! We appreciate your hard work.

[WaDE'05 8]

meta we may be "scholarship aware" but that doesn't decrease the need for a non-neurotic All-SEC caliber punter. Shoemaker doesn't fit that bill. Durst did. AND although I rarely make a habit of doing this, I completely agree with PC. We won't have 85 guys on scholarship unless we award some current non-scholarship players scholarships later. Some player we sign will unexpectedly not make grades OR someone on the team won't make grades OR someone will get booted, etc. Very few teams have 85 scholies on the number. We won't be one of them without fudging the numbers. We had/have plenty of room for arguably the best punter in the SEC. This was stupid.

I don't understand how the common perception is that Durst is totally impervious to doing exactly what Shoemaker did by having a great freshman year only to have a less than adequate Sophomore year. Kickers and punters are a crap shoot. One day they're All-SEC the next day they're being replaced by the sweeper from the club-soccer team. The mere fact that Durst was our starting punter this year is proof that we don't need to burn another scholly on a punter. How many times have you heard the words "open tryouts" when referring to a struggling punter or kicker? You never hear that when the QB is playing terrible. No one will ever be able to go to Lacrosse or Rugby practice and find a starting wide receiver or linebacker. The #2 punter on a team is probably the most expendable guy there is. Sucks for Durst, Jacobs lied to him, and then CGC came in and made a logical decision in the best interest of the team.

And CGC is not an idiot. He knows how many scholarships he is working with, and even if we don't have a full 85 this year, if you sign Durst you can't just sign him for one year. He's gonna count for the next 3-4 years. This could prevent the signing of a more needed recruit in 2010 as much as it could this year.

[auwallace 6]

did i miss something.....is there a shred of evidence that jj promised durst anything? regardless, playing football on scholarship is a priviledge not a right. durst isn't due crap. And the last time i check tubs isn't our coach anymore so it doesn't matter what he promised anyone. Are you guys going to get your panties in a wad if Kodi isn't our starter this year? guess what, i bet tubs promised Kodi that he was "the guy". durst has two choices, he can transfer to a smaller school or he can do what i did and take out student loans. why does everything that happens have to be cgc's fault or jacobs fault, whatever happened to sh*t happens and you deal with it. theres so much bitching a whining about who did what to who and who hurt who's feelings that i feel like this board is starting to grow boobs.

[Tiger1992 1,136]

Does it seem to anybody else that al.com is gleefully announcing anything that happens at Auburn that is not good? I get the feeling that some of the Auburn beat writers there are not completely Auburn fans (if you get my drift). Also, they "kindly" print articles on there that are more Alabama than Auburn. I sense the finger of the Bammerham News in this.

Well.. Has anything good happened lately? We have hired some great coaches.. but nobody wants to play for them.

While Chizik has done great on the coach hirings... I am beginning to wonder about his management in other areas. We can't afford to keep losing players. Is Shoemaker guaranteed 4 years on scholarship? I just don't like losing Durst.. he flipped the field very nicely. Of course, Shoemaker did have a nice season 2 years ago.

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe all scholarships are renewable one-year deals, meaning any scholarship player could be "non-offered" a scholly for future years. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen at times and I believe Tubbs non-offered a few players during his time that he didn't think should be on the team any longer.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.