TitanTiger 22,249 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 ...when you have a screamer of a machine. We just got some new PCs that came preloaded with Vista. The AMD Phenom processors and 4 gigs of RAM help. BUT...we'll be wiping them and installing XP. The VPN client we use is not Vista compatible and corporate made the decision last year to bypass Vista altogether. They are skipping it and waiting until Windows 7 to possibly upgrade. Anyhoo, I thought BG would be interested. I found that Vista can actually run well if you have really good hardware. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLink02 8 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 For me to poop on Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-576685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,249 Posted January 26, 2009 Author Share Posted January 26, 2009 Ha! Man, I just remember when my laptop came in. It's a dual core AMD Turion 64 (1.6 GHz) and has a gig of RAM. Vista ran like crap. Sluggish and slow loading. I couldn't stand it. But it runs about as quick as XP once you have a loaded machine. Then again, that's part of the problem. You shouldn't need a machine this loaded up just to run the OS properly. But it's good to know it's possible, especially since the eye candy is so much nicer than XP. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-576686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 4,246 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I will stick with XP till they pry it from my cold dead hands. An OS shouldn't be that big and cumbersome. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-576743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 You really need two gigs of ram, and vista will run without a hitch. I love it, and think the reports of how horrible it is are far overblown. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-576807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,249 Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share Posted January 27, 2009 Interestingly, I just found out that my company, which is a very large national firm, decided to skip Vista altogether. Too many compatibility issues and the cost of refreshing so many machines was astronomical. These machines that came in were gov't machines but they won't work on their own VPN setup. Brilliant. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-576817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLink02 8 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 You really need two gigs of ram, and vista will run without a hitch. I love it, and think the reports of how horrible it is are far overblown. I had more and it ran like crap Same with my mother on a newer Dell desktop Just a terrible, TERRIBLE Vista experience and we both liked XP Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-576818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,249 Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share Posted January 27, 2009 It is frustrating to get a system with the latest OS on it (that's been out for two years) and still find major companies haven't written drivers or updated software to work with it. I mean, a basic web VPN tool from Cisco of all places isn't Vista compatible. And I searched most of the day and there isn't a newer version available. Their own troubleshooting basically says "go back to XP." Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-576835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 19,639 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I believe I heard we plan to convert over to Vista in the not so distant future. We use a VPN from Cisco too, so should be interesting. My current hardware is 1.83GHz and 4GB of RAM but I'm trying to get into a newer unit once the interns roll out in a few weeks. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-576870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,249 Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share Posted January 27, 2009 Depends. It's their Web VPN client that doesn't work properly. The regular one is supposed to work on Vista. You might be fine since you have 4 gigs of RAM with that processor (I assume it's a Core Duo or Core 2 Duo), but who doesn't like new hardware? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-576877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boonan 0 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Cisco's regular VPN client became Vista compatible a long time ago. It came out not long after Vista. You'd think they would update all their VPN software if they were going to do some of it. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-576888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 19,639 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Depends. It's their Web VPN client that doesn't work properly. The regular one is supposed to work on Vista. You might be fine since you have 4 gigs of RAM with that processor (I assume it's a Core Duo or Core 2 Duo), but who doesn't like new hardware? Yes Core 2. I'd still prefer a Mac but that will never happen at this firm. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR-GIGEM-EAGLE 4 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 vista absolutely blows on the lap top im using. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,249 Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share Posted January 27, 2009 Yeah, it has way too much overhead. One of these days, MS is going to build a new, modern OS from the ground up and provide a virtualization layer for the legacy Windows stuff. The code bloat is dragging the platform down. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLink02 8 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 vista absolutely blows on the lap top im using. Join the club Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,249 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Share Posted January 28, 2009 There's a reason that 2 years after its launch, only 22% of Windows users have upgraded, either by installing it on their existing machine or buying a new Vista equipped PC. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,812 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 I find most of the things that I read about Vista to be rather funny. As a network admin, system admin, manager, and tech (with over a decade of professional experience) for an IT department of one at a medical practice, I have gotten my hands dirty on more than my fair share of hardware and software in my years. The horror stories, and remembering the horror stories (and experiences) of XP from late 2001 / early 2002, made me leave Vista alone for a while and not even bother testing it. I got my hands on a few laptops in "standard" specs with factory Vista load (most with 1GB RAM, mid to low-range processor), and was less than impressed. They all had one thing in common: integrated graphics running Aero Glass. One of the vendors that I buy hardware from decided to give me a few Vista Business licenses in an attempt to get me to migrate my network. I put them to use on some machines from my own personal stash. I tested Vista on a Dell Latitude D810, HP tc4200, Motion LE1600 and LE1700, and a Dell Optiplex GX620. All of these machines were "designed" for XP, and I have had them for at least 3 years (except that LE1700). Of those, only the Optiplex GX620 and Latitude D810 can run Aero Glass. They have all had 2GB RAM (except for 1.5GB in LE1600) in them for quite some time, while running XP. After installing Vista on them (I did use vLite to prep), all of them run better on Vista than they had previously on XP and have been running on Vista for over 6 months. By "run better", I mean something subjective like general responsiveness. Only the Latitude D810 has ever had gaming duties, and FS2004 actually performed better on Vista. I have thus learned that YMMV with integrated graphics and Aero Glass, especially if the machine only has 1GB RAM in it. Am I going to upgrade my network to Vista? No. It does not give me anything that I currently need to justify the expense. Do I prefer Vista to XP for my own use? Absolutely. Would I recommend it to anyone? Absolutely. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 22,249 Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 All I know is that the USAF and one of its major contractors have both held off on deploying Vista or decided to skip it altogether. And I gotta tell ya...the folks making these decisions are not dummies. These are some of the best computer and network folks in the country. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe6points 9 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I have a HP w/2gb running Vista for my girls to use. They love it, and when I get on it to "clean it up", it seems to respond quickly, even though they have filled it full of crap. I have really got little to complain about with Vista. What I would love for MS to do is to come out with a "minimalist" version of Windows, along the lines of an improved Win2000. I have 2 older machines that won't run XP, much less Vista or Win7, and there are several sites that I can't even use because they are "optimized" for Win NT OS's. I have tried Linux (Red Hat, Ubuntu, and another one that I can't remember the name of) but they have their own limitations that offset the plusses (PDA sync problems, drivers, etc.) The hardware is fine, but the horsepower just ain't there. Anybody got an old Win2000 CD laying around they would like to get rid of? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,812 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 All I know is that the USAF and one of its major contractors have both held off on deploying Vista or decided to skip it altogether. And I gotta tell ya...the folks making these decisions are not dummies. These are some of the best computer and network folks in the country. Based on my own experience, I do not blame them at all. I have no current plans to migrate my network to Vista for many of the same reasons that they are likely putting it off or skipping it. It is the same train of thought that caused businesses to retain a Win 2000 infrastructure until well into XP's and Server 2003's life cycle. Places that migrated to XP later are in no hurry to replace it immediately. If it does not really offer you much besides a lot of additional cost, there is no point in migrating to it. Vista is useless to you if your applications do not run well or at all on it. Our practice management and electronic medical record system only recently (as in the last few months) became Vista compatible, and they are sold and supported by GE. XP had the same growing pains upon its release, that was just so long ago that no one bothers to remember it. That, and terms like "blog" were not yet part of many Americans' vocabulary. I vividly remember the agony of installing 98SE on new computers that shipped with XP in 2002-2004. Vista has had me doing the same thing with XP for over a year. However, if I isolate Vista from my office applications (which I normally use via terminal server anyway), I find that I like it much better than XP. In all the subjective ways that obviously cannot really be quantified, Vista looks, feels, and runs better than XP. It does not make enough of a difference to justify the expense of moving my entire network to it, but it does make enough of a difference to make me migrate to it personally. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLink02 8 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Anyone have a chance to try 7? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,812 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Anyone have a chance to try 7? I was planning to experiment with a beta on the D810. It runs XP and Vista blazing fast. I just need a span of time where I can afford to have my favorite laptop basically useless for a little while. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTiger1 0 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I can't give a real good opinion. I have hardly had any experience with Vista. I have XP on a machine here at the house for the wife. At work I am an OS X man. The systems that I admin, run OS X, RedHat, SuSe, and AIX. I have a Windows server set up for the SWE and properties, but they pretty much take care of that one own their own and I hardly ever have to plunk around on it. If I can get my wife used to using OS X, I am buying a mac mini for the house. IMO, you can't beat it. Good desktop system and you can actually get some work done with it as well. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/55775-vista-runs-amazingly-well/#findComment-577499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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