arnaldoabru 11 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I thought it was a very good speech. Word from the trickle downers? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
au2004ece 30 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I thought it was a very good speech. Word from the trickle downers? Didn't watch it and haven't read it yet, but I did read Jindal's and it was pretty good. What do the trickle uppers think of Jindal's speech? Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 7,550 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Great speech....lacks genuine backing. He's is worse than anyone I have seen in my lifetime when it comes to "gloom, dispair, and crisis" one day, and then "USA, USA, USA.....we will overcome" the next. Politician..................that's all. I can only hope.....uhhh ummm....HOPE he is more sincere. I have very little confidence after the first month. 400,000,000,000 more about to be drained from great, great, great grandchildren. Unless you actually get lucky and become successful. If so, then you are NEXT in the TAX list. Pay up, BOY! Time to pass the dime. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I thought it was a very good speech. Word from the trickle downers? I love how you all slame the concept of trickle down economics. Basically saying that 230 years of prosperity under free-market economics be ignored for a few years of a market righting itself. Yay socialism...because THAT's worked before. As far as Obama's speech and my response? If you watched Jindal's response, you'll pretty much have mine. Except that he's sort of corny in his delivery and has a bit of a sesame street feel to his tone. When he talks, it's almost like he's reading a bed time story to a bunch of children. Making these looooong sweeeeeping statements with a tone of grand wonder. Gets old. But the message is good. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 8,222 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090225/D96IC7KG0.html He gave an Obushma speech. He very eloquently said that we are going to spend a ton of money on some ridiculous plans and gave no specifics about anything, just vapid promisses he has no hope to keep. FACT CHECK: Obama glosses over complex realitiesFeb 24, 11:06 PM (ET) By CALVIN WOODWARD and JIM KUHNHENN WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama's assurance Tuesday that his mortgage-relief plan will only benefit deserving homeowners appears to be a stretch. Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who should have known better than to buy that huge house. The president glossed over a number of complex realities in delivering his speech to Congress and a nation hungry for economic salvation. A look at some of his assertions: OBAMA: "We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values." THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money does not go to home buyers who used bad judgment, it hasn't announced it. Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it's important to save some of those people for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed. "I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed." Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it's not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford. "I think it's just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans," Sheila Bair told National Public Radio. Did Obushma just lie to the American people? --- OBAMA: "We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade." THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don't mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House. Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won't be 10 years from now. --- OBAMA: "Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn't afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day." THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn't only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation. OMG Someone finally told the TRUTH about all this! --- OBAMA: "In this budget, we will end education programs that don't work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't need them. We'll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq, and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use. We will root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn't make our seniors any healthier, and we will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas." :lmao: And just how are you going to do that Mr. Obushma? THE FACTS: First, his budget does not accomplish any of that. It only proposes those steps. That's all a president can do, because control over spending rests with Congress. Obama's proposals here are a wish list and some items, including corporate tax increases and cuts in agricultural aid, will be a tough sale in Congress. Second, waste, fraud and abuse are routinely targeted by presidents who later find that the savings realized seldom amount to significant sums. Programs that a president might consider wasteful have staunch defenders in Congress who have fought off similar efforts in the past. --- OBAMA: "In the last eight years, (health insurance) premiums have grown four times faster than wages. And in each of these years, 1 million more Americans have lost their health insurance" THE FACTS: The number of uninsured grew by 7 million from 2000 to 2007, the latest year for which Census figures are available, meaning Obama's claim would be true if had been talking about averages. But it's not true that the number of uninsured rose each year by 1 million. In 2007, the ranks of the uninsured dropped by 1.3 million from the year before, to 45.7 million. --- OBAMA: "Thanks to our recovery plan, we will double this nation's supply of renewable energy in the next three years." THE FACTS: While the president's stimulus package includes billions in aids for renewable energy and conservation, his goal is unlikely to be achieved through the recovery plan alone. In 2007, the U.S. produced 8.4 percent of its electricity from renewable sources including hydroelectric dams, solar panels and windmills. Under the status quo, the Energy Department says, it will take more than two decades to boost that figure to 12.5 percent. If Obama is to achieve his much more ambitious goal, Congress would need to mandate it. That is the thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks. --- OBAMA: "Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs." THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers. The president's own economists, in a report prepared last month, stated, "It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error." Beyond that, it's unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it's clear when jobs are abolished, there's no economic gauge that tracks job preservation. The estimates are based on economic assumptions of how many jobs would be lost without the stimulus. --- OBAMA: "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it." THE FACTS: According to the Library of Congress, the inventor of the first true automobile was probably Germany's Karl Benz, who created the first auto powered by an internal combustion gasoline, in 1885 or 1886. Nobody disputes that Henry Ford created the first assembly line that made cars affordable. We are not walking away from anything but carmakers that refuse to get their act together. Obushma will, as always, bow down and give the UAW another four years of welfare to payback all the money they spent getting him elected. We will continue to bailout companies with failed business models and the American Taxpayer will foot the bill. GM will soon owe us $30BN when their stock is worth only $3BN and that just gets them to 12-31-09. --- Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, giving the Republican response to Obama's speech, ran off the tracks with one claim about the stimulus plan. JINDAL: The plan is "larded with wasteful spending," including "$8 billion for high-speed rail projects, such as a magnetic levitation line from Las Vegas to Disneyland." THE FACTS: Jindal was echoing an often-used Republican complaint that is an oversimplification. GOP budget hawks have dubbed the train "the Sin Express," and say it will soak up much of the rail money. But that's not a done deal. Competition for the mass transit money is just starting, and backers of other projects across the nation - including one through Obama's home state of Illinois - think they have at least an equally good chance. But they dopnt have the Speaker of the House AND the Senate Majority Leader both pushing one single bill together. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 7,550 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 The parting of the waters.......on the "other side" you have Pelosi, Obama, and Reid...... coming through the "dry channel" is the American people. Obama raises his staff, decries to the Lord, and the water crashes in on us. Get the picture. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 8,222 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I had to cut it off for a few minutes at the point when he was slamming businessmen for riding around in Learjets, Queen Pelosi was clapping the hardest. She is blowing $5M a year on her on personal plane to fly back and forth to SF every week. I guess that Limousine/Learjet/Liberalism is fine for the hipocrisy crowd. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 16,052 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I thought it was a very good speech. Word from the trickle downers? I love how you all slame the concept of trickle down economics. Basically saying that 230 years of prosperity under free-market economics be ignored for a few years of a market righting itself. Yay socialism...because THAT's worked before. As far as Obama's speech and my response? If you watched Jindal's response, you'll pretty much have mine. Except that he's sort of corny in his delivery and has a bit of a sesame street feel to his tone. When he talks, it's almost like he's reading a bed time story to a bunch of children. Making these looooong sweeeeeping statements with a tone of grand wonder. Gets old. But the message is good. BG has the same standard response to every Dem statement. It makes no sense, but he's sticking to it. You're half-right about Jindal. Sounded like he was on Sesame Street. And he's the bright Republican star! Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 7,550 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Anyone who puts a (Lincoln) top hat on a president who hasn't been in office for more than a month shouldn't be critical of others... LOL I agree....Jindal is Sesame St. on TV. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 19,662 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I did not get Jindal's speech at all -- how do you honestly attempt to weave the Katrina recovery efforts with the anti-government story line you are trying to peddle without mentioning that the government has already spent in excess of $175 Billion on Katrina? I mean, that was one of the biggest five minute hypocrisies I have heard in quite some time. Come on Bobby, spit some logic in your first prime time appearance. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 BG has the same standard response to every Dem statement. It makes no sense, but he's sticking to it. Because all you people constantly slam free market capitalism yet you constantly ignore its 230 years of merit. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 4,283 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I did not get Jindal's speech at all -- how do you honestly attempt to weave the Katrina recovery efforts with the anti-government story line you are trying to peddle without mentioning that the government has already spent in excess of $175 Billion on Katrina? I mean, that was one of the biggest five minute hypocrisies I have heard in quite some time. Come on Bobby, spit some logic in your first prime time appearance. Well then I guess that would make the dimocrat party and their leader four year hypocrites, they have been railing since the day after Katrina that it was too little and too late. In fact in the past six months Obama has demagogued the Katrina effort. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw 4 au 548 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I had to cut it off for a few minutes at the point when he was slamming businessmen for riding around in Learjets, Queen Pelosi was clapping the hardest. She is blowing $5M a year on her on personal plane to fly back and forth to SF every week. I guess that Limousine/Learjet/Liberalism is fine for the hipocrisy crowd. I laughed out loud when she stood up for that one too! Classic pot met kettle. But how about when Obama said that he was going to put Biden in charge of the stimulus recovery, "nobody messes with Biden". What a joke that was, and they all laughed out loud about it, she stood up once again, and Biden actually was pointing to certain people in the audience with a huge cheshire cat smile on his face. That is the three most self-grandizing bunch to sit in those three seats ever. You are starting to hear it more and more that Obama is not "presidential" in his manner, and those three are certainly not credible leaders. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 19,662 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Well then I guess that would make the dimocrat party and their leader four year hypocrites, they have been railing since the day after Katrina that it was too little and too late. In fact in the past six months Obama has demagogued the Katrina effort.Actually, the criticism was placed (and rightly so) on the ineffective management of the situation - no planning, no coordination. I know, I know, it was all the local Dems fault. Except for one thing, this was just another example in a long line of incompetence from the previous administration. Say hello to the Iraq war, First half of TARP, and on and on - the problem was never funding -the money was in place in each of these circumstances- the issue was always with incompetent leadership and ineffective management. Deny it if wish but unfortunately, we saw this recurring theme time and time again over the last 8 years. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw 4 au 548 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Well then I guess that would make the dimocrat party and their leader four year hypocrites, they have been railing since the day after Katrina that it was too little and too late. In fact in the past six months Obama has demagogued the Katrina effort.Actually, the criticism was placed (and rightly so) on the ineffective management of the situation. I know, I know, it was all the local Dems fault. Except for one thing, this was just another example in a long line of incompetence from the previous administration. Say hello to the Iraq war, First half of TARP, and on and on - the problem was never funding -the money was in place in each of these circumstances- the issue was always with incompetent leadership and ineffective management. Deny it if wish but unfortunately, we saw this recurring theme time and time again over the last 8 years. So, are you saying that if Katrina happened in 1998, it would have been managed totally different? Come on, you are not that gullable (unless Mayor Nagin was not there then, you might have a point). It is completely unfair to pin the aftermath of Katrina on "the previous administration" like you do. It is similar to ignoring the effects of 9/11 on the decisions and outcome of "the previous administration". Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
au2004ece 30 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I did not get Jindal's speech at all -- how do you honestly attempt to weave the Katrina recovery efforts with the anti-government story line you are trying to peddle without mentioning that the government has already spent in excess of $175 Billion on Katrina? I mean, that was one of the biggest five minute hypocrisies I have heard in quite some time. Come on Bobby, spit some logic in your first prime time appearance. The attempted Katrina recovery efforts go very well with anti-government thinking. The government was unable to make that situation better no matter how much money it threw at the problem. The only way to make the situation better was for the people involved to get up and do something. Since many of the people that stayed in New Orleans even though they had cars to get out had previously become dependent on government welfare, they assumed that the government should come rescue them without any effort on their own part to get out of the way of a category 5 hurricane that they had 3 days warning for. Now tie that thought to the big government policies. Many people will become dependent on the government and start to believe that it is the governments job to make their lives better. But the truth is, (just as in the case of Katrina) no matter how much money the government throws at ineffectual policies, their lives won't get any better if they don't do something about it themselves. Yet the constant government nanny policies will prevent them from seeing this and the entire nation as a whole will suffer from the lack of ambition. Socialism is a bigger scam than the money that Bush threw at Katrina after the fact in an attempt to save face to the people that blamed him for morons not leaving New Orleans before Katrina. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnDeere 0 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford BerryI loved this line, it is a direct repute to that talking head on CNBC who tore into into his mortgage plan. Then Gibbs started a kindergarten name calling game the next day. http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1041856849 Leadership...... Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 19,662 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 So, are you saying that if Katrina happened in 1998, it would have been managed totally different? Come on, you are not that gullable (unless Mayor Nagin was not there then, you might have a point). It is completely unfair to pin the aftermath of Katrina on "the previous administration" like you do. It is similar to ignoring the effects of 9/11 on the decisions and outcome of "the previous administration". No way to answer that. However, I do think President Clinton had a more qualified FEMA Director in place. While not the same in scale, the disasters of the 90s (Midwest floods of '93, Northridge, CA earthquake of '94, Oklahoma City bombing '95, etc.) were all handled significantly better -- even from the most partisan points of view. But honestly, I'm not very interested in playing the blame game or looking backwards but I will call a spade a spade when it came to the Federal mismanagement of Hurricane Katrina. Again, my whole criticism about Jindal's speech is that it did not make sense. You can not stand on the Louisiana platform and rail on government, spending, etc. while not acknowledging the Fed has pumped $175B into Katrina recovery efforts. It's like saying "this once wrecked car looks great now" while at the same time criticizing the person who paid for the repairs. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
au2004ece 30 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 So, are you saying that if Katrina happened in 1998, it would have been managed totally different? Come on, you are not that gullable (unless Mayor Nagin was not there then, you might have a point). It is completely unfair to pin the aftermath of Katrina on "the previous administration" like you do. It is similar to ignoring the effects of 9/11 on the decisions and outcome of "the previous administration". No way to answer that. However, I do think President Clinton had a more qualified FEMA Director in place. While not the same in scale, the disasters of the 90s (Midwest floods of '93, Northridge, CA earthquake of '94, Oklahoma City bombing '95, etc.) were all handled significantly better -- even from the most partisan points of view. But honestly, I'm not very interested in playing the blame game or looking backwards but I will call a spade a spade when it came to the Federal mismanagement of Hurricane Katrina. Again, my whole criticism about Jindal's speech is that it did not make sense. You can not stand on a platform and rail on government, spending, etc. while not acknowledging the Fed has pumped $175B into Katrina recovery efforts. It's like saying "this once wrecked car looks great now" while at the same time criticizing the person who paid for the repairs. My earlier response explains why you can rail against government when they have thrown money at a problem. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 19,662 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 My earlier response explains why you can rail against government when they have thrown money at a problem.Yes, it is easy to criticize and be cynical of government - especially when they have let us down so many times in the recent past. However, your response fails to point out the consequences of inaction. Ask Bobby Jindal what Louisiana would look like today without those Federal funds. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNewby 27 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I chose to view "Angel and the Badman". Watching Gail Russell and John Wayne doesn't raise my blood pressure. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCTAU 3,883 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 The ONE is a media whore. He is on TV preaching his saving love each week, but he does nothing in between. An empty suit is the best description of this ONE. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigermike 4,283 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I chose to view "Angel and the Badman". Watching Gail Russell and John Wayne doesn't raise my blood pressure. A great movie. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 19,662 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I did not get Jindal's speech at all -- how do you honestly attempt to weave the Katrina recovery efforts with the anti-government story line you are trying to peddle without mentioning that the government has already spent in excess of $175 Billion on Katrina? I mean, that was one of the biggest five minute hypocrisies I have heard in quite some time. Come on Bobby, spit some logic in your first prime time appearance. More on the Jindal train wreck...Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.) hoped to step into the national spotlight Tuesday night to sound a hopeful yet defiant note in countering President Barack Obama as the GOP’s fresh and exciting face. Instead, he got panned. “I think he had a really poor performance tonight, I’m sorry to say,†National Public Radio’s Juan Williams said on a Fox News panel immediately following Jindal’s remarks. Williams went on to call the governor’s remarks “sing-songy†and said Jindal looked “childish†compared to Obama. .... “Jindal will recover, but it’s difficult to imagine him now as Obama’s 2012 opponent,†said University of Virginia political scientist Larry J. Sabato in a post on POLITICO’s Arena forum. “Jindal not only didn’t live up to his advance billing, he proved that he needs a lot more seasoning before he gets a prime time slot.†.... “Obama gave a polished performance, as usual. Jindal’s act needs a lot of work,†said John J. Pitney Jr., a political science professor at California’s Claremont McKenna College. “His basic message was sound but his language was hackneyed and his performance was wooden. Fortunately he has a lot of time to improve his delivery. In the year 2040 he will still be younger than McCain was in 2008.†.... Thomas Schaller, a political scientist at University of Maryland, Baltimore County, said, “Someday, when scholars are trying to fingerpoint the nadir of the post-Bush Republican Party, they may arrive at Jindal's speech tonight,†he said. “Though it was a tough moment for any Republican to give the opposition response, his speech came across as unserious in content and condescending in its tone.†http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19283.html I'll go on the record now, running Jindal in 2012 will make the McCain loss look close. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 7,550 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Jindal isn't ready for 2012. Now, let's watch what happens in 2010 and see how things are between then and now. That will be a good time to get a feel for all this mess. Until then, it's wait and see. Link to comment https://www.aufamily.com/topic/56601-response-from-president-obamas-speech-tonight/#findComment-584232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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