AFTiger 282 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 The EPA has stopped a permitted coal mine. The Dept of Interior has stopped oil drilling in the gulf. A federal judge has stopped farming in California. The price of gasoline has risen. Food prices are rising. Soon the cost of electricity will "necessarily skyrocket". EPA moves to stop W.Va. coal mine that was issued federal permitBy David A. Fahrenthold Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, March 27, 2010; A03 The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency took a rare step against a planned "mountaintop" coal mine in West Virginia on Friday: proposing to block the mine, despite the fact that it has a federal permit. The move is one of the most aggressive to come out of the Obama administration's reexamination of mountaintop mining, where peaks are scraped and blasted away to reach coal seams inside. The EPA has reviewed dozens of permits and approved one large mine in January after environmental improvements were promised. But, in this case, the agency is threatening to stop the Spruce Number One mine in Logan County, W.Va., entirely, or at least stop it from using "valley fills," depositing excess rock and rubble in nearby streams. Under the federal Clean Water Act, the EPA has the power to veto projects that would cause an "unacceptable adverse impact," but it has used that power only 12 times since 1972. It has never used the power in a case such as this, where the mine has a permit. The EPA will take public comments on the proposal for 60 days and hold a hearing on the proposal in West Virginia. The EPA says the Spruce Number One mine would bury about seven miles of streams. As toxic chemicals flow downstream from the mine rubble, the agency said, they could harm aquatic life, including one of the world's richest concentrations of salamanders. The mine was issued a federal permit in 2007, but lawsuits from environmental groups delayed major mining. After the Obama White House raised questions about the mine's environmental consequences last year, the EPA began negotiations with Arch Coal, the mine's St. Louis-based parent company. The EPA said Friday that those negotiations had failed. "Coal, and coal mining, is part of our nation's energy future, and for that reason EPA has made repeated efforts to foster dialogue and find a responsible path forward," Shawn Garvin, the EPA's regional administrator for the mid-Atlantic, said in a news release. "But we must prevent the significant and irreversible damage that comes from mining pollution -- and the damage from this project would be irreversible." Arch Coal said in a statement that the company is disappointed with the decision, and it intends "to vigorously defend the Spruce permit by all legal means." Washington Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,161 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I can't believe we let the EPA run things. ANWAR is a good example. When ANWAR was created it set aside 2000 acres for OIL exploration. Somebody foolishly asked if we could drill there. The EPA said to themselves "they think they have to get our permission even though they don't actually have to ask" and said NO. So now here we are. If we just sent two dudes in a pickup truck there and they started digging, the price of oil would start to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnaldoabru 11 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 so, what part of burying 7 miles of streams while releasing toxic chemicals into it are you for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,161 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 The reference says excess rock and rubble, the EPA says toxic chemicals, and we finally get to the real reason...salamanders. Those tasty treats are darnd important, way more important than say, electricity. Have ya seen West VA? The state that gave us the ever hot Jessica Lynch, but also the less than classy Lyndee England. Besides I was talking about ANWAR. It wouldn't be too hard to ensure that the runoff from the excess rock and rubble stays contained. The EPA has way too much power. They couldn't care less about the destruction of our nation if they can save a couple of snail darters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnaldoabru 11 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 The reference says excess rock and rubble, the EPA says toxic chemicals, and we finally get to the real reason...salamanders. Those tasty treats are darnd important, way more important than say, electricity. Have ya seen West VA? The state that gave us the ever hot Jessica Lynch, but also the less than classy Lyndee England. Besides I was talking about ANWAR. It wouldn't be too hard to ensure that the runoff from the excess rock and rubble stays contained. The EPA has way too much power. They couldn't care less about the destruction of our nation if they can save a couple of snail darters. When you say "contained" you mean like that coal ash in Tennessee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTiger 282 Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 The reference says excess rock and rubble, the EPA says toxic chemicals, and we finally get to the real reason...salamanders. Those tasty treats are darnd important, way more important than say, electricity. Have ya seen West VA? The state that gave us the ever hot Jessica Lynch, but also the less than classy Lyndee England. Besides I was talking about ANWAR. It wouldn't be too hard to ensure that the runoff from the excess rock and rubble stays contained. The EPA has way too much power. They couldn't care less about the destruction of our nation if they can save a couple of snail darters. When you say "contained" you mean like that coal ash in Tennessee Arnie, I assume you have unplugged everything and quit driving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnaldoabru 11 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Naw, i'm all for pollution.Just ask those people in West Virginia whose tap water catches on fire. Or those in Kentucky whose under ground water is so polluted they have to bring in bottled water.Remember, big business and corporations will always place public interest and health over profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTiger 282 Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 Naw, i'm all for pollution.Just ask those people in West Virginia whose tap water catches on fire. Or those in Kentucky whose under ground water is so polluted they have to bring in bottled water.Remember, big business and corporations will always place public interest and health over profits. I am glad to hear it. I thought you might be one of those slimy liberal hypocrites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,161 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Arnie sounds like one of those liberals who want to change/stop/run/preach/impose/fix stuff as long as it doesn't affect them or at least they think it won't affect them. They don't realize that if you shut off coal because of salamanders, oil because of porcupine caribou (although they flourished near the pipeline), and nuclear power plants because of NIMBYs that their life could actually suck. They think it can't happen to them, just us rotten capitalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnaldoabru 11 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Arnie sounds like one of those liberals who want to change/stop/run/preach/impose/fix stuff as long as it doesn't affect them or at least they think it won't affect them. They don't realize that if you shut off coal because of salamanders, oil because of porcupine caribou (although they flourished near the pipeline), and nuclear power plants because of NIMBYs that their life could actually suck. They think it can't happen to them, just us rotten capitalists. Nothing to do with newts. Just like my own drinking water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTiger 282 Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 Arnie sounds like one of those liberals who want to change/stop/run/preach/impose/fix stuff as long as it doesn't affect them or at least they think it won't affect them. They don't realize that if you shut off coal because of salamanders, oil because of porcupine caribou (although they flourished near the pipeline), and nuclear power plants because of NIMBYs that their life could actually suck. They think it can't happen to them, just us rotten capitalists. Clearly, he doesn't live by his rules for us because he keeps posting his crap--electronically (Which took coal to power). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger88 934 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Arnie sounds like one of those liberals who want to change/stop/run/preach/impose/fix stuff as long as it doesn't affect them or at least they think it won't affect them. They don't realize that if you shut off coal because of salamanders, oil because of porcupine caribou (although they flourished near the pipeline), and nuclear power plants because of NIMBYs that their life could actually suck. They think it can't happen to them, just us rotten capitalists. Nothing to do with newts. Just like my own drinking water Now that slinky has left you are now the sole poster child for childish liberal posting habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnaldoabru 11 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Arnie sounds like one of those liberals who want to change/stop/run/preach/impose/fix stuff as long as it doesn't affect them or at least they think it won't affect them. They don't realize that if you shut off coal because of salamanders, oil because of porcupine caribou (although they flourished near the pipeline), and nuclear power plants because of NIMBYs that their life could actually suck. They think it can't happen to them, just us rotten capitalists. Nothing to do with newts. Just like my own drinking water Now that slinky has left you are now the sole poster child for childish liberal posting habits. I would really like some true Conservative retort.....to bad that there aren't any left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTiger 282 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 Well if you would remove your head from dark places, you would hear serious conservative discourse and not silly retorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 7,147 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I'm not in favor of the mine until they can construct a plan to remove the debris field so it doesn't reach the stream beds....salamander or not. I know it may be a shock to some of you, but I am a staunch advocate of clean water, and we are losing it day by day. I have no problem with mining as long as we do it responsibly. Obama should push for more Nuclear Power so we don't need to rely on coal so much. It's much cleaner than this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTiger 282 Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 I'm not in favor of the mine until they can construct a plan to remove the debris field so it doesn't reach the stream beds....salamander or not. I know it may be a shock to some of you, but I am a staunch advocate of clean water, and we are losing it day by day. I have no problem with mining as long as we do it responsibly. Obama should push for more Nuclear Power so we don't need to rely on coal so much. It's much cleaner than this is. Then we have an enforcement problem. The EPA has short stopped the mine because it is fearful of possible contamination. It should allow to go forward as originally approved and then monitor it. They have arbitrarily intervened and stopped a process critical to our energy independence. The problem is not the coal mine which has complied with every requirement but with a beauracy that has taken for itself a power not granted to them and in defiance to American security, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger88 934 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Arnie sounds like one of those liberals who want to change/stop/run/preach/impose/fix stuff as long as it doesn't affect them or at least they think it won't affect them. They don't realize that if you shut off coal because of salamanders, oil because of porcupine caribou (although they flourished near the pipeline), and nuclear power plants because of NIMBYs that their life could actually suck. They think it can't happen to them, just us rotten capitalists. Nothing to do with newts. Just like my own drinking water Now that slinky has left you are now the sole poster child for childish liberal posting habits. I would really like some true Conservative retort.....to bad that there aren't any left Whatever. You post like a first grader trying to score cool points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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